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Anti-immigration backlash roils ties between Australia and India - part I : Comments

By Robin Jeffrey, published 9/3/2010

Despite being a nation built by immigrants, Australia faces fresh challenges in dealing with new arrivals, particularly from India.

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And with greatest of respect I think that reads into Jay's posts a degree of civility which his actual words lack and reads out some of the more worrying implications of his words.

Even if Jay's views are presented in the manner that you describe it is difficult to see how that would support a sensible discussion on immigration. It suggests a fundamental incompatibility between different groups of human beings, which is of course false, and as such it is not a useful, or even a valid starting point for this debate. To suggest that only Europeans are concerned with racism is both wrong and utterly simplistic.
Posted by David Jennings, Monday, 29 March 2010 5:22:29 PM
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Graham,
Thanks for responding, that sums up some of my views though I do believe it's possible for a multiracial society to function as long as no one is saying "thou shalt", but that's another discussion altogether.
As I noted in another thread the propensity for Caucasians to doubt their own right to exist is our Achilles heel,it's a racial trait that doesn't seem to appear naturally to any great extent in the other peoples.It was wrong of an educated,elitist group of White people to exploit the weaknesses of the Aboriginals, or the Maori or whomever, it's just as wrong for them to do it to other White people.
If there was no active and persistent promotion of genocide by racial assimilation of Whites I wouldn't be here, these points of view don't spring out of the ether.
As a member of the global White minority I find David's views, his self serving manipulation of my writing and attitude in general to be deeply, racially offensive and I object, as is my right and the right of every other person on the planet.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 29 March 2010 5:44:35 PM
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All that I have done is to respond to the remarks that you have actually made. You can’t have it both ways. You seem very happy with the way that Graham has greatly gentrified your remarks but you find “racially offensive” (?!) my rejection of the racism contained in your views.

If we look at what you actually said:

“All my enemies are White.
The genocide is being perpetrated by by guilt ridden, self hating Whites who are brainwashed into thinking that they have no right to the fundamentals taken for granted by the other 92% of the world's population.”

Nonsense. You have no actual proof that there is an anti-white genocide. Nor can you sensibly suggest that whites who support multiculturalism and immigration are “self-hating”, “guilt-ridden” or “brainwashed”. These are just meaningless assertions.

You also said:
“...every non White person that comes here diminishes the proportion AND the number of White children in this country, that's how demographics works.
Every job that goes to an Indian, every increase in house prices due to excessive immigration means that less White children are being born.”

I struggle to see how that can be interpreted in any way other than as racist. It suggests that non-white migration has a negative impact on the white population – that is what you are saying right? But how could non-white migration diminish the “number” of white children in Australia? How does an Indian having a job prevent white women giving birth?

I wouldn’t want to add layers of meaning to your words - though it is part and parcel of freedom of speech that other people are allowed to explore the merits and even legitimacy of your speech. You cannot sensibly be in favour of free speech when you are making a “radical” argument, but be opposed to it when others respond.

You also continue to use words that you should, at least by now, reasonably know have other meanings, such as “Final Solution” and “Black Problem”, but you object to any inferences being read into that. Again that’s wanting to have it both ways
Posted by David Jennings, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 12:04:35 PM
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What you see is what you get.
Africa for the Africans.
Asia for the Asians.
White countries for EVERYBODY.
Nobody is suggesting that Africans will be better off if millions of non Africans are moved to their countries to assimilate and intermarry with them.
Nobody is suggesting that Japanese will be better off if millions of Japanese are moved to Japan to assimilate and intermarry with them.
When I point out that White countries and only White communities are expected to take in millions of Non White people, assimilate and intermarry with them I'm accuse of being a Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
Either you're for the promotion of assimilation and intermarriage of White people and ONLY White people with non White people or you're against it.
For the dissolution of the White race by assimilation or against it.
If there's no difference between the races Why are White people and only White people expected to assimilate with non White Races?
Why do we have Whole government departments with budgets and media advertising space devoted to this promoting racial assimilation?

As for different races being incompatible.
To support the Third world pouring into White countries and only White countries one would have to believe that every time one race is transplanted into the living space of another that IN EVERY CASE the resulting interaction is beneficial to the newcomers and has no effect at all on the target population.
If I take a group of 5 kids with severe behavioural problems and put them with 20 of the highest achievers in the school will the disturbed kids turn into A students and will the other students be utterly unaffected by that program?
Old Time Wisdom: "A few bad apples spoil the whole barrel", I'm sure we could find a similar sentiment expressed in every language on Earth.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 5:15:00 PM
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"To support the Third world pouring into White countries ....the resulting interaction is beneficial to the newcomers and has no effect at all on the target population.
If I take a group of 5 kids with severe behavioural problems and put them with 20 of the highest achievers in the school will the disturbed kids turn into A students and will the other students be utterly unaffected by that program?"

I assume that this is another un-subtle dig at the impact on non-white immigration on Australia. Have you seen the demographic composition of most of our selective schools recently? Which groups tend to be well represented amongst the high academic achievers?

We've seen Asian (both North Asian and South Asian) students perform oustandingly well in economics, commerce, science, engineering and medicine. There are quite a number of excellent Asian lawyers and law students. I'm seeing increasing numbers of young African students at university as well - and doing well!

I have no idea what you mean by this quote:

"Nobody is suggesting that Japanese will be better off if millions of Japanese are moved to Japan to assimilate and intermarry with them."

As for this remark:

"Either you're for the promotion of assimilation and intermarriage of White people and ONLY White people with non White people or you're against it."

Why? I support the right of every human being to choose their own partner regardless of race, religion or ... gender.

Then there is this pearler:

"Why do we have Whole government departments with budgets and media advertising space devoted to this promoting racial assimilation?"

This just isn't true. Can you produce one government document to support this "racial assimilation" argument? There is no evidence to support this and nothing at all that backs up your assertion of an "anti-white genocide'.

Then there is this:

""A few bad apples spoil the whole barrel", I'm sure we could find a similar sentiment expressed in every language on Earth."

At last we are in complete agreement. OLO was an ok place until you started spouting this "anti-white genocide" nonsense
Posted by David Jennings, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 5:34:59 PM
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What you mean is,my writing is what YOU CHOOSE TO CALL RACISM.
You're not telling me anything I don't already know yet you're addressing me as if I'm IGNUNT.
Anti-White Whites will routinely be shocked by my posts, “How can I be anti-White? I’m White.”

My reply is, “It’s called treason, ya big silly, it happens all the time.”
All I'm offering is clear thinking on forbidden topics, by talking about Race I'm opening up a Forbidden Zone that most White people never get to see into.
The problem is that a forbidden zone is a fortress against thought, manned by those who represent Militant Ignorance. When the telescope was invented by Western Society the old cosmology was doomed. Today Political Correctness, which was built on the assumptions that animals have no borders and no war, and that all mental problems are Responses to environmental factors are dead and rotting while standing there backed by the forces of Militant Ignorance.

Each year more and more obvious nonsense has to be defended to defend the Forbidden Zone. While the rest of society marches on, that Forbidden Zone Wall gets higher and higher, pours down hot oil on the attackers until it finally collapses.

Those of us who spend out time talking precisely about the Forbidden Zone of our society have a lot to offer people. Those who refuse to read our stuff because it is Forbidden, whether you call Forbidden Heresy or Hate, miss it all.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 7:45:27 PM
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