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Listen to the heroes of Israel : Comments

By John Pilger, published 26/2/2010

Violence has failed to achieve Israel’s ends and has produced worldwide revulsion.

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Bushbred,
I didn't know that. Your post raises a whole new bag of fish and would make a good separate topic.
However two minor points to be made.

Firstly, before others jump on you, it was more than the German Jews it involved European Jews, Gypsies etc. That in it's self raises issues worth exploring.

Secondly the issue goes back well before WW2 or even before WW1 and the Balfour Declaration et al. In the final analysis, it stems from their *religious* belief and it's self serving notion of being gods chosen people. i.e. Jews aren't a race they are a religion. Races tend to mix absorb other races i.e. England and English. Australia and Australia. Religions tend to be doctrinal, dogmatic, inflexible and intolerant.
Posted by examinator, Saturday, 27 February 2010 2:54:02 PM
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Thanks, examinator, yep, my essay was a bit short cut, but the main argument is was it a good policy for Nixon to break laws and back new little Israel to go militarily nuclear?

Certainly Kissinger was against it, and he has apparently been forced to close his mouth ever since.

I had been doing my Mature Age Post Grad during the aftermath and found most academic historians not very happy with the way Israel was allowed to break political laws so easily. Certainly makes it difficult for tutors whose training can be so much about not upsetting regular power balances, etc, which in the case of a militarily atomic little Israel, has virtually allowed a tiny nation to dominate a Middle East which apart from Israel, is totally without nuclear weaponry.

As I suggested in my earlier thread, maybe too much pity was earlier shown for Israel from all of us, allowing her not only to break political laws, but letting her have such a free run with a close to murderous Mossad.
Posted by bushbred, Saturday, 27 February 2010 6:24:23 PM
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John Pilger says in his article: "violence had failed to achieve Israel’s ends and had produced worldwide revulsion."

What about Arab and Muslim violence, not only in Israel/Palestine but in many other countries, directed indiscriminately at friend and foe, Muslim and non-Muslim, Sunni and Shia, you name it?

Has that achieved its ends? Has it not produced worldwide revulsion?

It is a mistake to look at the Israel/Palestine situation without taking into account Islamic theology. Islamic eschatology shows an implacable hatred of the Jews and envisages no future for them other than their total annihilation as a people.

The following quotes are translated portions of sermons from recent years, delivered by Sheikh Ibrahim Madhi, officially appointed Imam of the Palestinian Authority:

"We the Palestinian nation, our fate from Allah is to be the vanguard in the war against the Jews until the resurrection of the dead, as the prophet Muhammad said: 'The resurrection of the dead will not arrive until you will fight the Jews and kill them...' We the Palestinians are the vanguard in this undertaking and in this campaign, whether or not we want this.

"Jerusalem, Palestine and Al Aksa [the Temple Mount], the land that Allah blessed and its surrounding areas will remain at the centre of the struggle between Truth and Falsehood, between the Jews and the non-Jews on this sacred land, regardless of how many agreements are signed, regardless of how many treaties and covenants are ratified. For the truth is in the Koran, as verified by the prophet Muhammad, that the decisive battle will be in Jerusalem and its environs: 'The resurrection of the dead will not occur until you make war on the Jews...'

"The prophet said in more than one Hadith that the Day of Resurrection will not come without the victory of the believers [the Muslims] over the descendants of the monkeys and pigs [the Jews] and with their annihilation."
Posted by Glorfindel, Saturday, 27 February 2010 9:44:58 PM
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Currently Israel is the most destabalising influence on the planet.It is Israel who is pushing for the invasion of Iran.Iran is no threat to Israel since Israel has 100 times more nuclear weapons than Iran.

It is all about power through oil and gas.The Links all go back to Wall St ,Federal Reserve and the London oligarchs.

Our financial system has now destroyed real productivity in the West.The West is now in real decline.China is now the manufacturing centre of the planet,but now as a result of advancing technologicies,it is progressing faster than the West can anticpate scientifically.Hence we see the aggressive stance by the USA in trying to cut off the energy supplies to China.
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 28 February 2010 6:43:01 AM
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Glorfindel, I appreciate your concern, because it is apparent you could be Israeli.

As a Mature Age historian going on 90 next year, I in turn worry much about the coming future for my Great Grandkids.

Further, I must say as a philosopher that Israel much earlier would have been better trusting the new United Nations which has pretty well been made useless by nations big and small relying on power rather than sensible understanding.

When we had persons like Hamascheld running the UN, it seemed we were in for a strong future of global togetherness, the position of the reborn Israel at the time viewed with much sympathy and understanding from academic areas.

Finally, I must admit that I have admiration for the way the Jews of the new Israel have strengthened themselve with such determination, but I must say from a philosophical position, that the natural mental strength of the Israelies would be better spent not on military advantage but on more peaceful persuasion which I know from experience that Jews are so good at.

Regards, BB, Buntine, WA.
Posted by bushbred, Sunday, 28 February 2010 12:27:36 PM
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Violence has failed to achieve the Palestinian's ends and has produced worldwide revulsion.

Similarly the actions of AL Qaeda are focusing the attention on Muslims as a threat. As a result the Muslim world is being abandoned. The reason the western world has turned their back on Palestine is that in spite of the handful of supporters, most consider them the unpredictable malevolent monster under the bed that wants to hurt them.
Posted by Democritus, Sunday, 28 February 2010 4:32:27 PM
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