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Listen to the heroes of Israel : Comments

By John Pilger, published 26/2/2010

Violence has failed to achieve Israelís ends and has produced worldwide revulsion.

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The reference - 3rd last para - to " Mossadís recent political murder in Dubai" naturally has implicatons for the 3 Australians whose passports (or illegal copies) where left near the scene of the crime.

These Australians are almost certainly innocent and were not even in Dubai. Hopefully they will come home now to Australia - their true home.

But it appears that Israel, including its organ Mossad, includes innocent people of any nationality in Israel's endless battles with its neighbours.

Religious clashes appear to be at the root of most violence - as typified by Jerusalem - excessively important to 3 religions.
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 26 February 2010 3:07:31 PM
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Not a single word to condemn the Hamas bombers? Or that the Hamas military leader responsible for many of the atrocities in Israel was given refuge by Dubai?

If anyone were to go into Gaza and demand justice from Hamas their lives would be forfeit.

Yet another one sided stilted diatribe against Israel. When John stops waving the flag for every tin pot collection of thugs, he might get back some of the respect he has lost.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 26 February 2010 3:41:47 PM
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The Israeli Defence Forces wage an ongoing campaign to assassinate Hamas leaders and have mostly employed operations within Gaza and the West Bank to identify and capture or kill them.

Palestinians on the other hand have had to resort to 'suicide bombing' in retaliation and John Pilger's article highlights the sad futility of this ongoing undeclared war which brings grief and loss to innocents on both sides.

As John pointed out the Israeli campaign to win sympathy for their cause has now become counter productive since the onslaught on Gaza in operation Cast Lead where 1400 defenceless civilians, mostly women and children were killed like sitting ducks,while many more were injured.

The Mossad opoeration to assassinate a Hamas leader in Dubai using stolen identities and forged passports has focussed even greater attention on the excesses of Zionism which has no intention of settling conflict in Palestine other than on their own terms.

The response by Prime Minister Rudd and Foreign Minister Stephen Smith was more concerned about the falsification of Australian Passports than the murder, which suggests to me Australia needs to re-examine our continued support for such a ruthless, terrorist regime as the Zionist dominated Israeli occupation of Palestine and encourage the moderate elements in Israel and Palestine to work towards a secular state governing for all faiths as existed in Jerusalem before the establishment of the zionist occupation
Posted by maracas1, Friday, 26 February 2010 5:18:23 PM
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Agree with you a little, Shadow Minister, but do believe if Israel has its way with tactics as with Mossad, it will ruin its own future.

What I am trying to say is that little Israel right now is by far the strongest and most dangerous power in the Middle East, and will truly bring in what Henry Kissinger warned Nixon about many years ago, that such a poorly set up Middle East balance of power could easily set off another WW3.

Then there were no thoughts about a significantly powerful China, which only last week talked about being on the side of Iran.

It is so interesting that there were discussions about such future problems during the Korean War, and it was the very reason that the United Nations was formed to take over from the old League.

There were even plans to follow Kantian philosophy preventing any major nation taking the major role, such as Britain had been with the League of Nations, just as America, even though it was expected to use more power, was not to be openly in command of the UN, as it has so very unfortunately done - backing Israel unfotunately pretty well to the full to go militarily nuclear.

So America still stayed as top dog, not following original UN plans, with European nations especially losing interest, especially the Nordics, whose rep's were doing such wonderful representative and advisory work.

And with George W Bush in Iraq, it looked like Blair of Britain and our Aussie Howard were America's only backers.

Seems we do need to think back a little, which includes not relying too much on a steered media.
Posted by bushbred, Friday, 26 February 2010 5:38:51 PM
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Shadow minister,
Barley Charlie, Were you reading the same article I was? It was a primarily a plea for peace.

You must have had Conniption with the program on TV on the same topic a few weeks back.

Your take on this article is over the top, extreme and incredibly (for you) naive.

I repeat what I said, in my earlier general topic about the forged Aussie passports used by the *murder* team.

The murder was extra-judicial under the law either international or in either country, regardless, of victim's guilt in other crimes.

You also ignore the implication for the three Aussies involved and Australia's interests. Read what I said about the issue.

*If* Mossad and therefore Israel, are implicated in this, they deserve every bit of international condemnation, that comes their way.

Had the victim been extradited and faced court, in say, the Haig. *Then*, his fate would be justified and I too would condemn his actions.

It's about the rule of law and the consequences of ignoring it, on others. No signatory to the UN, should be allowed to get away such disdain for law or process, for the purposes of extra judicial murder.

I can't disagree, on the context and title of the article. It's time both sides stop this pointless war and accepted each other. And Yes, I think Israel is hog tied, by it's extremist minority and the disproportionate power they hold, in their parliament, too. There are no moral virgins in this conflict.

BTW two wrongs still don't make a right.
Posted by examinator, Friday, 26 February 2010 6:55:03 PM
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Examinator, it is interesting to say that in the case of Israel we have let our sorrow and pitiness for what was left of the German Jews after the terrible Nazi death camps get out of hand.

In fact, such a danger was even discussed by the Brits after WW2, especially as regards Palestine.

Many academic historians still believe that what was left of the German Jews should have been watched over by the new UN, even in the new Israel until the Nazi-induced hatred had subsided.

Of course much of the blame since WW2 must go to America for illegally backing Israel to go militarily atomic.

Finally, with Iran certainly being Israel's main atomic target, China could not only see the way to future world peace by protecting Iran, but could be on the way to becoming the world's most powerful, without firing a shot.
Posted by bushbred, Saturday, 27 February 2010 12:39:47 PM
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