Thanks for your sly little remarks, Lucy, you really are just a politically correct troll that thinks anybody who doesn't agree with you is beneath you.

Lucy said....

"Supremacist thinking is when you feel you are inherently superior to other people because of their race, religion, nationality etc. Ask Ozzie. I don't feel that I'm 'inherently' better than you. I just know the facts on some of the points you raised. "

however she also said..

"Cherful its great to have you here at OLO. I've always felt that Online Opinion doesn't have enough pseudo-intellectual, anti-academic, non-university educated, semi-race theorising, half-wits posting comments in the forums."

definitely no supremacist thinking there...nor here

Lucy again said...

"At least I grew up to be a lawyer. What exactly is it that you do again?"

and again..

"For the record, I'm smarter than you, I'm better educated and since I'm guessing that you were fibbing about being a doctor, I think its fair to say I'm better off."

yet again, no supremacist thinking...

"I'm clearly in a different category than your friends and I'm clearly on a different intellectual level to yourself. Plus I'm more rational."

Lucy, you obviously have an inferiority complex. Then again why wouldn't you. You're just A UNSW Law school lawyer. One of only 2 Law schools in NSW in the 90s that let in the lowest of the low HSC achievers.

Ah! Good old ozzie and his twin obsessions: Indians and Lucy.

I'm glad that you eventually got into medical school after having been denied a place .. by an Indian. Congratulations also on graduating in 2007 or 2008. But sadly, I dont think that a 2nd or 3rd year doctor makes the same as a Professor. You forgot that a Professor can have dual appointments, here and in Europe, and you forgot consultancies. I wasn't going to say it but you were the one who kept mentioning money.

Your inadequacies are painfully obvious. I almost feel sorry for you. I won't comment on your personal life. But I think I can see why you are obsessed with Lucy. As a great doctor once said, you can't turn a donkey into a racehorse.

"To believe that all people's on the planet are equal is just a lie." Posted by ozzie, Saturday, 13 October 2007 9:36:36 AM

"Indians in my opinion Indians are one of the worst. They are nice to you until the know you status. Once they find out your below them they will treat you like dirt."
Posted by ozzie, Monday, 3 December 2007 8:02:36 AM

"Just last month I was complaining to my wife that our local petrol station only employed Indians. This is located just off the SE in Toorak. For the last year I have seen nothing but Indians work there."
Posted by ozzie, Friday, 13 April 2007 4:03:36 PM

"I have noted a huge explosion in the numbers of Indians in Melbourne over recent years. In my opinion they are nothing but trouble."
Posted by ozzie, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 10:26:25 AM

"The vast majority of this is all ethnic crime. Third world people bringing their ways of life here."
Posted by ozzie, Thursday, 28 January 2010 5:32:38 PM

"Most people from other countries are simply more primitive than Australians. .... Are there any advanced countries from non white cultures?"
Posted by ozzie, Saturday, 4 August 2007 9:53:18 AM

"I do believe Aborigines and some other ethnic groups cause far more violence than other groups .... I firmly believe most of the increasing violence on our streets is due to immigrants ( or children of migrants)."
Posted by ozzie, Friday, 7 August 2009 8:51:22 PM

This guy wrote an excellent response to Ozzie:

"Actually, if you were to tell the truth, you'd say that the real cause of the problem is a clash of different cultures, not race. Race is just skin color, whereas culture is the attitudes people have picked up through their upbringing and through their associations with people they choose to mingle with.

Even the Caucasian race is made up of many sub-cultures: greenies, bikies, nerds, goths, bogans, hippies just to name a few. Just because bikies engage in antisocial activities like selling amphetamines doesn't mean we victimise every Caucasian by association. (In fact, we don't even victimise bikies that do the wrong thing!) If you were to look carefully, I'm sure you'd find that there are a whole range of African sub-cultures. Most are not violent, just as it is with Caucasians.

The other problem with making the issue one of race is that you are putting the targeted person on a hiding to nothing: there is nothing he can do to improve the situation in the eyes of the critic. He can't change his skin colour and nation of birth. However, if you nominate the problem as being one of bad or incompatible culture, at least it can be addressed without causing some extreme behaviour in the targeted person like sullenness or withdrawal from society at one end to violently lashing out at the other.

All that bringing race into the equation can do is to make the situation worse for everyone."
Posted by RobP, Friday, 16 November 2007 8:36:21 PM

Hi again Lucy Montgomery.
If that is your real name you are fortunate, it has a nice ring to it.
Thank you for your advice about Wikipedia, I didn't realise it was so unreliable.

I think the abandoning of the word tribe probably relates back to the time of the British Empire, when tribes were regarded as inferior natives(primitive blacks) and not anywhere near as advanced and intelligent as the British saw themselves as being at that time. I'm not defending it, but at that time that was how the British Empire saw it. I remember growing up watching adventure movies where some white heros would go to Africa and face the perils of dangerous animals and savage tribes running around with spears.

Owing to this meaning of the word tribe in British minds they were never going to refer to themselves as a tribe even in a dictionary so it is not surprising that English dictionaries base their meaning of tribes on a primitive level. It is o.k to refer to tribes of whites back in hunter gatherer days but they would not have accepted that term being used about themselves in more advanced times. They basically associate the word with lap laps and spears. That's why I think their abandonment of this word is to do with their supremacist thinking more than any reason why the word still doesn't mean today, what it did back then, large groups or societies of people who have basically intermarried with each other over long periods of time and live together in the same area, region or country.

LUCY- You say Hitler did not seek to ethnically cleanse the French. Hitler had stated and written, that he wanted a German State world-wide, peopled with a superior race of preferably blonde-haired blue-eyed Germans. So what he is saying is that he wants to rule over every country in the world that he can take and populate them with a German bloodline. Show me how that is not territorial. Isn't that what animals in the wild try to do. Dominate territory and populate it with their own offspring.

I think that he saw it as a priority to cleanse Germany of the Jews before anywhere else and so save his own tribe the Germans, from having to compete economically with the Jews for survival in times of reported economic hardship in Germany. Maybe the Jews were too good at running banks and were starting to look too strong financially for the Germans. Maybe they gave cheaper loans to the Jews than the Germans. The German people must have quietly took possession of all the wealth and assets that the Jews left behind when they were forcibly removed from their homes. It was kept very quite that he was sending the Jews to the gas chambers in Germany. It may not have been as easy to hide something like that in France especially with the French Resistance.

The war was in full swing when the Germans occupied France, they were at war with Britain and having to maintain control in countries that they had already occupied like Poland and France and when that was taking too long Hitler also invaded Russia, that wouldn't have left a whole lot of time or man power to methodically ethnically cleanse all of the French as he had done in Germany. It was said that Hitler viewed the races who were more white more favourably than the swarthier ones. The Saxons did overrun Britain at some point in the very early centuries. I'm not sure how he felt about the French, If he'd won the war we probably would have found out

I was actually referring to World War One. In WWI the Germans were lead by Kaiser Wilhelm II. WWI was a clash of empires. I said that the Germans were not trying to genocide the French in World War One.

But I mostly agree with you on Hitler. In World War Two the Germans were lead by Hitler. If Germany had won that war its fair to say they may have wiped out or enslaved a number of European countries. I think Hitler had fairly sympathetic views to many of the Western European nations. But he regarded all the Eastern Europeans as sub-human.

Anti-semitism in Europe had a long history. It owed itself more to myths etc than reality. But jealousy does drive people to do terrible things.

Thanks for the compliment. LM are my real initials and Lucy is the name of my great aunt.

I can see you point on the word tribe.