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Sweet Jesus, not another 'ragger' : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 20/6/2008

So Camden council's decision against building a Muslim school has nothing to do with racial or sectarian bigotry?

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If my experience with the Lands and environment court is anything to go by, a decision by them, firmly based on “anti-community” lines, will result.

So by that rule of thumb, the application for the school will eventually succeed.
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 20 June 2008 10:03:42 AM
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Pigs’ heads or pigs’ bums. All this prating about bigotry versus planning laws is a total waste of time and a demonstration of the naivety of some people who think that locals are not going to react to attempts to implant alien institutions in their midst.

Ordinary Australian citizens have almost no say in their day to day lives, let alone stupid Government immigration policies which encourage people to come and live among them who have nothing in common them or the Australian ethos.

Nothing is more natural and understandable than this type of reaction from frustrated people who perceive that their existence is being threatened by aliens.

Witness the recent reaction of black South Africans to other black Africans arriving in their country.

It’s happening all over the world with the ridiculous theory that population movement on a grand scale is OK. It will get worse until governments come to their senses.
Posted by Mr. Right, Friday, 20 June 2008 10:17:09 AM
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If Irfan could explain how in parts of London, France and Holland the Muslims have produced 'no go areas' for the whites and non Muslims. (Oh I know it is those rotten white oppressors). Why would it be any different here? Do not the Muslims here share the same beliefs as those of Europe? The secularist in England and France have been to gutless not to prevent their own countries to be Islamised. They have been to busy loathing the Christian element in their country. They are now reaping what they have sown. I hope we don't end up the same.
Posted by runner, Friday, 20 June 2008 10:42:54 AM
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Irfam,
What can one say that is meaningful?
The problem with Black Letter use of the law is that it can be used to protect the admirable and excuse the unconscionable from time to time.
Clearly this school plan rejection is proof of the latter i.e. the rules were to excuse a modern obscenity, racist/religious intolerance.
If the rules were broken then there are other avenues of redress. However what can’t be externally controlled or excused is the sewer sores that stand in for public opinion in Camden. That is not to say all residents hold these contemptible views but one wonders where are the backbones or the sense of “a fair go!” of those who don’t?
Likewise that Recalcitrant renegade from the reformation era Reverend Swamp Mind is clear proof that neither the best, brightest or intelligent necessarily make it in to politics.
Then again many of us have seen this all before. With every new (ethnic or religious) group the same old xenophobia gets an airing only the targets change.
First Blacks then Refos, Wogs, Italians, Greeks, Vietnamese etc all with their derogatory names. Yep, Anglo Australian’s have a consistent (but universally proud?) past. And this from the Aussie concepts of a fair go, mateship and ANZAC traditions …..Go figure!
The slight is on all Aussies.
In a Democracy everyone is entitled to have their say regrettably that doesn't guarentee the quality or morality of that say but it does colour the democracy. That should be up to the Country’s majority to decide on the nations not those from dark corners where good sense has been forgotten. We should all heed John Donne’s poem “For whom the bell tolls”. Read it, it’s truly wise words in these (or any) times.
I do comfort my self that the attitude of many or the Camden residents is clear immutable proof than not all movements in evolution are necessarily forward.
Therefore I refer to the “Tranquillity Prayer” when it says “give me the strength to accept what I can't (change)” I would add “and (justifiably) ridicule it."
Posted by examinator, Friday, 20 June 2008 11:31:45 AM
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Irfan,
Why do you conclude that Camden locals erected the pigs head/flag display. Apparently there was no written message with it. So what was the intended message? The message I read is from Muslim radicals saying 'Aussie pigs, keep out'. A clear warning to non-Muslims.

I believe you would find, if you cared to look closely, that most objections to the school were to do with an infiltration of Muslims coming into Camden. Muslims have a poor reputation which would result in lowering the property values in the area and a lowering of the social amenity for the existing locals. This has happened in other areas and there has now been a lowering of buyer interest in Camden real estate since the school proposal was made.

Most people could not care less what religion others follow, but they will object to people of poor repute moving to their town and reducing property values. It has little to do with religious bigotary.

It remains to be seen if the councils reasons for rejection will stand up in the courts.
Posted by Banjo, Friday, 20 June 2008 11:54:06 AM
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Mr right and runner,
Your irrational fear is palpable I suggest you take a double dose of facts and have a good lie down.
Mr right.....Ntural? for whom? I suggest you read a little more about Aussie History and what it means to be civilized.
runner.....2% muslim population in England and 4% in France? Muslimizing the countries? Talk about xenophobic paranoia!
Food for thought what are you going to do when Global climate change comes. Us with 20 million and say Indonesia with 220 million and 2 billion Chinese, 2 billion indians and a billion others on our door step? That boys will be a fight we can't win. Paraphasing Monty Python said "with that many we had better hope they are more tolleant than you". Reality shows that the delusion of White (anglosaxon) Supremacy is is up to its quarter deck and sinking fast.
Posted by examinator, Friday, 20 June 2008 11:58:23 AM
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