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Palestine: suspending disbelief is an unbelievable hoax : Comments

By David Singer, published 12/3/2013

Perhaps it is time for Mr Ross and others in the international community to consider the principle of reciprocity in negotiations.

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Reciprocity, as between the thief and the person robbed.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 9:04:44 AM
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The Palestinians refusing to recognise Israel as the Jewish National Home, despite a narrow vote in its favour, stems from the fact that nobody asked them if they wanted to give up their homes for this purpose, and that they weren't included in any vote.

The establishment of a Jewish National Home on someone else's land was never a very clever idea as it was based on nationalistic, theocratic, racist principles, which excluded the original occupants of the land from equal political and civil rights.

A two-state solution may have once been a possibility, but Israel demonstrated that they never paid more than lip service to the proposal by continuing to occupy more and more Palestinian territory and building more and more homes for settlers enticed in from overseas so long as they could show that they had a Jewish mother - no connection to the land required.

Israel has therefore assisted in bringing about a situation where a one-state solution is the only viable option. This would need an intervention from outside, possibly the United Nations, as the cat and the mouse would not be able to work it out for themselves. A resulting truly democratic state of Palestine/Israel, with equal rights for all its citizens could be a secure, vibrant, successful State.

There is no need to pursue negotiations for two states, with at least one based on racist principles. There is only the need for both parties to agree to share the land of ancient Palestine. Neither the 300,000 Israeli settlers in Palestinian Occupied Territory nor the 2.5 million Palestinians, are going to disappear.
Posted by Stan1, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 9:46:34 AM
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Posted by Stan1, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 9:51:32 AM
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I kinda agree that it's been all downhill since Day 1 when it comes to Israel and the Arabs.

With the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem going to see Adolf during WWII to offer Arab (ie now Palestinian)assistance in exterminating the Jews, I suppose it would've been a lot better if the Arabs (ie now Palestinians) had apologized for their actions and handed over the ex-Jewish land they were sitting on....as some sort of atonement. But they didn't.

And then to have the Grand Mufti's favourite nephew (Yassar Arafat.."my uncle was my inspiration") committing the same old fascist type actions against the Jews...probably soured the relationship even further.

So, what's to be done? Let the Jews have 25,000 square ks of land, (compared to the Arab 10 Million or so), or waste lots of time and effort trying to do what Adolf...the Grand mufti...the Grand mufti's nephew...Hamas..Hezbollah...etc have failed to do?

I s'pose it all comes down to how greedy for land the Arabs (ie now Palestinians ) are...and how dedicated they are to carring out a Holocaust MkII, eh?

BTW. When the Grand Mufti was recruiting his Muslim Waffen SS units (from Wiki; At war's end, he came under French protection, and went to Cairo to avoid prosecution)....was he just being a Good Palestinian Nationalist, guys? Or had he blown it for the "Palestinians" by being a slavering Nazi?
Posted by punter57, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 2:26:08 PM
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Punter57 states "I s'pose it all comes down to how greedy for land the Arabs (ie now Palestinians ) are...and how dedicated they are to carring out a Holocaust MkII, eh?".

You should have written holocaust MkIII because the Jews are doing a magnificent job of holocaust MkII on the Palestinian people as we write.

Talk about complete hypocrisy.
Posted by Geoff of Perth, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 3:41:20 PM
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<<One can only shake one's head in amazement that Mr Ross actually believes this is a nationalist conflict and not a religious conflict.>>

Mr. Ross is right - this conflict IS nationalist, not religious: inventing a god for the sole purpose of placing nationalistic-propaganda claims in his mouth, does not qualify as religion, only as a tactical weapon!

Both sides have proved time and again that their respective nations come before God, that while they pay lip-service to God, they only really respect Him so long as He supports their national claims. That is not religion, that is sacrilege!

Dear Stan,

<<A resulting truly democratic state of Palestine/Israel, with equal rights for all its citizens could be a secure, vibrant, successful State.>>

"Could" is a hypothetical word. Do you seriously expect people who care not even for God, who for their national ambitions are even happy to abuse His holy name, to care for each other?

<<This would need an intervention from outside, possibly the United Nations, as the cat and the mouse would not be able to work it out for themselves.>>

Yes, but such intervention should impose two separate states, not one: "you sit in this corner and you sit in that corner". The pride of both nations must be shattered.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 3:49:24 PM
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