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Climate refugees : Comments

By Mike Pope, published 15/11/2011

It's not if but when climate change refugees arrive, so we need to decide how to deal with them.

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Two things to help deal with the climate refugee crisis (that is actually an overpopulation crisis since there are too many people to be sustained by some nations under changed climatic and energy availability conditions):

1) Stop increasing our population now so that we will be more able to cope with the refugees when they arrive.

2) Accept the refugees but scuttle any and all boats/ships that bring them here - so that they cannot return to bring more. This would also make it less profitable for people smugglers to conduct this business. There are far, far fewer ocean-going boats than people in this world....
Posted by michael_in_adelaide, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 8:40:13 AM
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The boundaries separating “climate refugee”, “economic refugee”, “refugee from persecution” are arbitrary. They might all be called “economic”, because those remaining behind, without the resources to seek refuge elsewhere, could be the most desperate of all.
Perhaps there is another category - refugees from population pressure. That underlies each and every one of the problems outlined in the article. Its effect has been felt from time to time for thousands of years in many communities; just as it does now in Somalia, Tuvalu, the Middle East, -- and Australia for our preferred lifestyles.
Now, each and every one of the world’s nations are full to capacity for the way they would like to live. What is worse, they are degrading their soils, water, and environmental capacity in order to do so - thereby diminishing these fundamental resources for their descendants. And they have retained the habit of tossing their garbage over the fence towards their neighbours. Unfortunately, now with seven billion all doing the same at once, it is raising a stink in the planet; especially in its atmosphere.
We live in interesting times; and - for the generations to follow - very much more so. If Homo sapiens had the desire, and the wit, to replace its fetish for cancerous growth by a stable compatibility with its environment - the “environmental refugees” problem could, possibly, be overcome.
Posted by colinsett, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 9:11:05 AM
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Our unsustainable social economic environmental model is the underlying problem. An idea I think has merit because of its sound triple bottom line foundations is to offer asylum seekers 15hrs/wk work on public 'eco' housing & gardens in exchange for food, accommodation & a dollar adjustment up to the value of unemployment benefits (see http://bit.ly/fAWRjc)
Posted by landrights4all, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 9:26:01 AM
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If you're so convinced the sea is going to rise by 2m (which not even the IPCC says will happen), sell me your coastal property at a knock down price. If you're right, I'll lose my money. If I'm right, I'll clean up.

Or are you too worried about spending other people's money?
Posted by DavidL, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 10:07:00 AM
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50 million were predicted by the IPCC to have arrived by 2010. Didint happen. The whole idea that a 0.7 degree temp rise would cause 50 million people to move is simply arrant nonsense.

This is simply a way the UN can convince the developed world to take in any refugee who comes knocking on the door. Its part of the UN desire for a borderless, one world, share the prosperity policy to make it easier for them, an unelected body of elite, to rule the globe.
Posted by Atman, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 10:14:38 AM
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Is it something in their training?

There must be some reason that economists are the most likely people to fall for a good con job.

Perhaps it's because their discipline is mostly smoke & mirrors that they have to believe the smoke & mirrors of others.

But Mike goes further, & embellishes the rose beyond belief. 2 meters sea level rise, what a joke. I guess economists & green house "scientists" do have this trait in common. If it doesn't sound frightening enough, spice it up. Perhaps our unies are becoming spice factories!

Perhaps someone should inform him that 90% of atolls are growing, including even the Maldives. Yes that's right Mike, the coral keeps depositing limestone, & the waves wash it up onto the beach. A bit simplistic perhaps, but people who want to publish this stuff should do a little research, & get a few facts, before pontificating.

With the amount of use they are not, perhaps we should keep our economists in glass cases, to be brought out when we need some figures added.

What, they can't add up either. God help us.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 10:27:23 AM
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