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Attack the real bludgers, Gillard : Comments

By John Passant, published 19/4/2011

The amount of money taken under false pretences by welfare 'bludgers' is nothing compared to what corporates rake off.

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The conservative Gillard government is apparently unembarrassed by re-inventing the welfare cheat myth. The right-wing Fraser government in the 1970s championed this nonsense.
This positioning of the ALP is perhaps not surprising, given the way Gillard was elevated to the throne. The major attack by BHP & Rio Tinto on Rudd, that preceded her ascendancy, has seemingly given confidence to big business to demand more subsidies and tax concessions. The mining tax debacle, and the unfolding drama around the so-called "carbon tax", illustrate the major power of big business in running this country. The carbon tax should be transformed into a tax on wealth, starting with Kloppers and his folk.
Posted by Langenstrass, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 8:44:12 AM
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"a tax on wealth", will then deprive those with capitol the excess funds they use to invest, under risk.

Tax a business and they have to pass it on if they want to stay in business.

If they can't pass it on, they are no longer attractive to investors.

When they run out of money, then what? Tax another business area, till they run out of money as well?

There seems to be some belief in Australia that you can tax a company till it is unprofitable, and it will stay in business .. no, it will not! (what a dream world.

The author talks about business being the recipients of welfare .. but does not name how much, how they get it or what it is, just allusion to "someone is getting more than they deserve" or more to the point, "someone is getting more than me"

that seems closer to the truth of the matter.

Really this is about class war for the author isn't it, wanting something for nothing and maintaining the leftist delusion that the wealthy do not work.

People in all areas do things that are illegal or seem to be, every so often we have to clear them out, as the ALP is doing now.

To justify dole bludging by saying businesses get more, is no excuse for dole bludging.
Posted by Amicus, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 9:02:02 AM
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Isn't it a nice world when we discover that two wrongs make a right. So Gillard proudly maintains in parliament that it's alright for her to lie because Howard did ("Bring on the debate", she cried), and now it's OK for people to rip off the system because corporates do. When will we reach the lowest common denominator?
Posted by Anamele, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 9:16:30 AM
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Right on John.

I haven't noticed anyone mentioning the current ratio of job seekers to jobs. Anyone know what it is? Typically it's about 3 but can go much higher. This is not something the dole-bludger bashers often mention.

Then there's the $12 billion annual subsidies we pay to fossil fuel industries, even as we argue endlessly about a small carbon price: http://www.acfonline.org.au/articles/news.asp?news_id=3308
Or if you want to argue about how to count subsidies, look at a few of the other corporate ripoffs
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/43868.html

And on and on.
Posted by Geoff Davies, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 9:55:39 AM
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The lowest common denominator in federal parliament was reached a long time ago. Gillard and Abbott are both far less credible with the Australian public than Rudd and Turnbull if current opinion polls are accurately gauging public opinion.

And the latter two also had many serious faults, making them unpopular when they were our leaders. So where does the fault lie? Is Australia bereft of talent?

Our current parliamentary system is awful for a modern nation - producing on most sitting days a rough schoolyard behaviour brought on by our unpopular leaders with their skittish policy prescriptions on the run that aim for short term solutions that are too often targetted at fears, greed and populist appeal to the basest motives.

What we need is a major overhaul of our democratic system so that the real power to choose our leaders is placed directly in the hands of the Australian voters. In such a contest, these sorry excuses for political leaders would be weaned out very early in the election cycle. Some truely visionary and capable individuals would emerge that would inspire us and bringing the nation together around integrated long term strategic policy making.
Posted by Quick response, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 10:04:39 AM
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geoff is there any source to this claim that industry and particularly the fossil fuel industry gets handouts, other than the usual anti-progress eco industry bashing sites?

Both your links are to unsubstantiated claims by greenpeace or ACF .. who can hardly be regarded as reliable objective research sources.

So how about something reliable and not just the usual on and on and on rumormongery and doom speak?

"Then there's the $12 billion annual subsidies we pay to fossil fuel industries"

Is that a budget line item, can you link it to anything?

another geoff beat up, throw ambit claims out, unsubstantiated then blame industry .. what about the dole bludgers mate? (are you on the dole geoff? do you get centrelink payments?)
Posted by Amicus, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 10:05:42 AM
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