Indy - You wrote:

"the Woke of the West have so stirred up the gullible of Ukraine & quite a number of others around the Globe so much that they're willing to go to War!"

Actually, the 'gullible' of Ukraine were stirred up by the invading Russian tanks and soldiers and Russian mortars and bombs. Do you really think they didn't notice these, or that their cities and towns were on fire and people were dying? Or they weren't aware of the fact that they were sheltering in cellars while the bombs rained down? That they didn't know anything about this until they read about it on the websites of the 'Woke of the West'? Do you think the Ukrainians should have just put up with it instead of fighting for their country?

If you really believe this, you will be a sitting duck if Australia is ever invaded. As the bombs fall and the invaders arrive, you'll be saying 'Nah, it's all just a woke delusion! I'm not gullible! those are just New Year fireworks!' (PS Advice to potential invaders - invade on NYE, so Indy won't notice.)

Ironically, this was the header on an ad that popped up just as I was reading your posts: THNIKING SLWO.

Maybe that should be: NTO THNIKING TA LALA LAND.

Cossomby,
I regret to inform you that you're toally missing the point !

Indy:
You mean I can't take your words at face value? Please explain

"Do you think the Ukrainians should have just put up with it instead of fighting for their country?"

Well this is the price 'democratic' countries might pay if they allow themselves to become vassal states of the west and allow a US puppet ruler to be installed after a US sponsored coup.

And if they did hide out in their basements instead, then they may have forced their stupid government to make a negotiated settlement in April, if they werent conscripted at gunpoint in

Thousands of people might still be alive.
And Russia would've taken less territory.

They're going to have to deal with blackouts, water and gas shortages and freezing through winter.
There have been calls to start evacuating Kiev, but it's likely the leaders are just as interested in getting money and stuff out of the EU, just as Erdogan has done previously.

Right now under martial law many men and women of military age in Ukrainians aren't allowed to leave.
They've been conscripted to die for the useless cause.

Half of Ukraine are Russians, the country should've been partitioned.
Meanwhile 300,000 more mobilized Russians will likely make a move in December when the ground hardens.

Support a War against China?
No, I'm not going to support sending Aussie kids into a Chinese meatgrinder, to fight an unwinnable war that should instead be avoided at all costs.
A war with China is not in our best interests, (we don't gain anything but lots of dead Aussies assured) but certain US players may think it's in their own interests to drag us into one.

I'm not going to support sending people to die so Ratheon stock goes up.

Armchair,
Do you realise how ludicrous the Russian propaganda you're regurgitating is?

There's no such thing as "vassal states of the west". Some countries could perhaps be described as vassal states to the USA, but Ukraine is unequivocally NOT one of those. It had the choice between becoming part of the EU or becoming a vassal state of Russia (or rejecting both options). Its justified suspicion of Russia meant that in most of Ukraine there was overwhelming support of joining the EU.

Ukraine's "coup" was rather like Malcolm Turnbull's "coup" against Tony Abbott (except that their old leader didn't stick around afterwards. There was no puppet installed, and the democratic process went on as normal. Indeed they've had plenty of free and fair elections since then, yet somehow because there was a change of government a few years ago you can't accept the government they have now is legitimate.

And MAYBE in April they could have negotiated a surrender that would leave them better off than they are now. But for how long? Partitioning countries usually results in more wars, and Putin has already shown himself to be untrustworthy.

Are there really people out there who think that Russia would have invaded Ukraine if Ukrainians
hadn't let themselves be led into this by the Woke ? Or, look at Hong Hong & Taiwan ! Why do these same people think America isn't invading Hawaii ? Or why the rest of Australia isn't invading Tasmania etc.
It's all about weakening Nations !