While the Yes campaign for the Voice will be able to receive tax deductible donations, the No campaign will not.

The IPA claims that the Albanese Government has "refused to provide comparable concessions or assurances to the 'no' case". It also claims that the government has given the 'yeses' up to $800,000 advantage for their advertising.

The writer, Daniel Wild, believes that Australia's governing class and elites are "stacking the deck" in favour of the yes case, and denying free and fair debate.

All in the budget apparently.

ttbn,
Why am I not surprised ?

Indyvidual

Because it's what you expect from Albanese Labor? Because the Left is obsessed with race and dividing the country?

ttbn,
I'm still not surprised !
Most of our woes are due to leftie ideology ! Just look at Ukraine, Syria, etc. In Australia it's costing us socially & economically & it's ruining our future prospects. The sad thing is that as long as we don't have a National Service, this parasitic half of our society will become a majority !

Hey ttbn,
I'm not surprised whatsoever.
Albanese wouldn't have this referendum if he thought it had a chance of losing.
Losing would mean they can't bring the issue up again for some time, and would negatively impact an issue in which they support.
(Not to mention he plans another vote for the Republic issue later)

So even though he's going to say Australia had a choice, and he'll also say Australia has spoken when it likely passes.

- Then you can bet they will have done everything possible to ensure the result they want in the first place.

I'm sure they've looked at the timing, done other forms of polling, plan on advertising, and gotten people on 'The Project' and other TV programs to sell the 'yes' vote etc.

It will be as rigged as it can be without actually falsifying votes.
- That's my expectation.

Daniel Wild straight out of right field with unsubstantiated claims of bias. Good old Dan has already determined the 'yes' vote is going to succeed so he's looking for an out to cry foul when the bigots are defeated. Ho hum.

BTW, donations to the IPA are tax deductible, and with the multi million dollar budget will have no problem funding a 'No' campaign. ttbn with Corny Banana's Australian Conservatives now defunct you can throw a few bucks the IPA way to fund their 'No' job. What's the problem?

So, we are not surprised. The problem is that most people don't know and don't care. I admit that I have never been a 'people person', but I am now close to feeling contempt for people who allow politicians to do what they do: particularly those who think that one group of politicians is better than others. Take a look at Dutton. Instead of opposing the racist rubbish, he squeaks for "details". No attempt to distance himself from the racist, Albanese.

I'm especially pleased to see any contribution from TTBN who always furnish's us with common sense, fact, and logic. Together with a few others like; HASBEEN, INDYVIDUAL, ARMCHAIR CRITIC, IS MISE (especially on F/As) and a few more whose epithets I cannot for the moment recall.

And despite FOXY's antithesis towards many of the issues I support, I revere her intellect and the moderate and respectful way she explains and researches her topic and responses. And I respect her as a woman, a decent moral woman as well. Many of whom in my working life were a complete anathema to me, especially when I was attached to Gaming & Vice. And NOT because women who worked in vice, did so by choice. Most were trapped in the industry by the bludgers who relieved them of most of their money and Passports using both fear, bodily harm, and deportation from whence they'd come.

DAVID F is probably the FORUM's intellectual numero uno, and like FOXY, always presents another side and view, with respect and again, with an immense level of knowledge devoid of any hyperbole or amelioration.

Moreover, many of these folk above, have taught me to remain cool and not allow my emotions to spill over and in effect, completely eviscerate my own argument(s). That's the reason I now decline to respond to several correspondents herein, notwithstanding the fact, I'd dearly like too, even though it would almost appear to be an inchoate in making?

The CEO of an FNQ Aboriginal Corporation told me that the Board had gotten wind of some money in the coffers & they're pressuring the CEO to release some the money or this CEO may not last in the position.
When I said that this is what the future of the Voice looks like, several Indigenous voiced their agreement to my prediction !

We must be careful that the Voice in the future is not hijacked by a splinter Lobby group and determine benefits for its own advancement above genuine need. For that reason, because it is verbal Race based without DNA evidence, I will be voting NO!

We are One Country and one human race with equal rights we must have one Government for all citizens. There is a hidden agenda in the Voice promoted by the ABC and SBS.

Firstly the IPA is just trash.

Funded for a good part by the fossil fuel industry the stuff it produces is just cringeworthy and it is no wonder so many even on the right disavow it.

Secondly the claim the government "refused to provide comparable concessions or assurances to the 'no' case" is crap. There have been zero 'no' campaign bodies which have applied for deductible gift status so this is just plucked from nowhere just to flesh out the whinge from the IPA and feed the usual chooks.

And there are chooks aplenty here on OLO.

Hi Steele,

Your not wrong about the Forum chooks, ttbn being the top cock when it comes to this sort of garbage. Picks up any far right nonsense and posts it as fact, glad you set the record straight, I was aware of the facts. Daniel Wild to, would be well aware of the facts, but reading his blurb on the IPA website he likes to be loose with the truth, when it suits his position.

Forum Chooks
Paul & Steele,
Why not tell us what you think of the Indigenous who agreed with me re that CEO ?
Let's see who is more chook !

If the Voice ever made it into the Constitution, the matter would be taken out of the hands of the government and placed in the hands of unelected High Court judges.

It's a big NO from me!

"It's a big NO from me!", ttbn, you must have agonised over that decision for days. How unexpected!

Jesus, there are some soft cocks on this Forum, "I only like those who agree with me, I don't like the nasty fellas." Who bloody cares, besides the obvious who I usually agree with, then there you ttbn, and Hassy, Indy, Issy, Shonky etc etc, you're all good value. Even old Constable Clod, he's a hoot. I never get upset if someone on here calls me a nincompoop, or something worse. Gotta be thin skinned to be upset by anonymous cyber junkies

Our Constitution is a power-sharing agreement between the Commonwealth and the states and an operating manual for our Parliament. Nothing more. It is not an appropriate instrument for emotional or feel-good rhetoric.

Distribution of benefits by race makes a mockery of any government’s claims that they want a society where race is irrelevant. However, it is clear that race is very relevant to the Albanese government.

Dear individual,

You asked me to comment on this from you?

"The CEO of an FNQ Aboriginal Corporation told me that the Board had gotten wind of some money in the coffers & they're pressuring the CEO to release some the money or this CEO may not last in the position.
When I said that this is what the future of the Voice looks like, several Indigenous voiced their agreement to my prediction !"

Mate, really?

An unattributed, uncollaborated, likely embellished bit of commentary from someone like yourself who is utterly against the Voice?

Why on earth would I bother?

'...and there are chooks a plenty here on OLO...' I do hope you include yourself among their number STEELE ol' man? Stay well.

Dear o sung wu,

Well I've been thought of as a cocky bastard by some but perhaps a wedgie would be a bit more apt, ready to pick the eyes out of anything that moves, including the odd wayward OLO chook, and all the while looking pretty flash while going about it.

Hi Steele, I am truly loved by all on OLO, particularly those of the hard right, they perceive me as a cross between Mother Teresa and Albert Schweitzer with the intelligence of an Einstein, without the hair style. One was kind enough to liken me to "dog sh!t on his shoe", I was so overcome with emotion after that flatter, I cried for a whole week, yes such praise, what can I say.

Mate, really?
SteeleRedux,
Yes, really ! It obviously goes against the grain of your indoctrination however, no matter how little you like it it is true !
Why not take a trip to Cairns & go for a walk along the Esplanade & you won't need to doubt people when they tell you what you don't want to hear !
If you think I'm enjoying this you're even more wrong than I suspected thus far. I simply want such issues more known & addressed. There are more indigenous on my side than you'd like to believe !

G'day again STEELE...For my money ol' friend you'll do me. I'd prefer a dozen STEELE'S herein, to argue, and toss the issues about, then another we have, that regularly sullies-up the Forum by 'its' presence. And curiously, no amount of plumbing can fix the drains or sewage outlets from which 'it' comes, when 'it' oozes back 'n forth from 'it's' preferred effluent fount, to again, pollute and defile the topic by 'its' foul presence.

Can we have discussion on this issue for and against the proposal, rather than flattery and personal denigration?

Josephus

It takes less time these days for comments to degenerate into single digit IQ nonsense with no bearing on the subject. Senility seems to be catching up with some posters.

Josephus.

Like the old saying truely says: once a copper, never a man!

Dan.

once a copper, never a man!
diver dan,
yes, but once a Police officer, always a decent person !

DFAT has called for for an "Expression of interest for the role of Ambassador for First Nations People".

Can anyone truthfully say that this country is not rooted? Totally and finally rooted by the Albanese government, with no hope of a last minute reprieve from the dopey Dutton opposition?

"The Ambassador will head an Office of First Nations Engagement within the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade to listen to and work in genuine partnership with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples."

This bloke sees evil in everything that doesn't fit his mantra.

Dear o sung wu,

Thanks old chap.

We are likely to have quite differing views on whom we regard as the "foul presence" on this forum but everyone needs their cage rattled occasionally including me.

Having to defend one's position with more than just sloganeering is always healthy. There is far too many who just won't do it unless pushed. That is where the fun is.

Take care.

Dear O Sung Wu,

Thank You for your very kind words about me on page 2
of this discussion. You are one of the posters that
keeps me on this forum. I value and respect your opinions
greatly. Take care. And keep on posting.

God Bless!

There never were never any 'first nations', nor are there any now.

The first and only nation on this continent was the British one, based upon British traditions and institutions. It owes nothing whatsoever to indigenous or Aboriginal tradition or heritage.

Interfering with language and misusing it to,fool people, as the Left does, will not change history or the facts.

You're very welcome FOXY, although many of our opinions may differ, I respect you and what it is you have to say.

Dear O Sung Wu,

The same goes for me.

OSW,

Please remove me from your list.

What list is that TTBN? I believe you always speak with a great deal of commonsense and vigour, but unfortunately you do epitomise the indignant ol' man with barely a topic goes by, without your blood pressure commensurately rising. Take time out to smell the roses, spend a half hour alone in the park. Though I support everything you say herein, I fear you'll have a stroke in the way you prosecute it.

OSW

Your list. The one Foxy's waxing lyrical over like a teenager. I would rather roll in the mud with pigs than be named with her and that SR person.

I don't appreciate your cracks about my supposed indignation and your invention of health problems I don't have, either. Stick to opinions on matters raised.

" I learned long ago never to wrestle with a pig.
You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
(George Bernard Shaw).

C'mon mate, after all this site is only for our entertainment, and a venue where we can all espouse our opinions or otherwise. And I've always maintained support for practically everything you say, and I mean it as well.

Most on here reckon I'm just an old fool, or a corrupt copper, with no fundamental idea of what I'm talking about. That's okay too, I can live with it. But FOXY and STEELEREDUX are only putting forward their on views and opinions, and whether they're right or wrong - That's what makes OLO such an interesting venue in which to participate. Even for an opinionated old goat like me. I'm not here to lecture you TTBN. Of that, I've no right. Only to remind you, is all.

Obviously, everyone posting here has no idea what the Voice will do for tribal aboriginals in remote areas. I believe it will be hijacked by those that can capture the emotion of Westernized brown skinned city dwellers with ulterior motives.

Dear Steele,

Did you ever think that on a discussion forum a
complete stranger would have so much antipathy
against someone that he would publicly post that
he would rather roll in the mud with pigs than
be associated with them?

I have never in my life experienced anything like that.
So much hatred there and so disturbing.

Dear O Sung Wu,

Thank you again for being a voice of reason.

It balances things out for me and is greatly
appreciated.

I am simply against promoting Apartheit because I can see the mentality of those pushing for it & going by their past performance this mentality has no chance of improving !

In South Africa they had ‘truth-telling’. But the intent was to spell the end of apartheid. Ironically, the 'truth telling' that the Labor party, the Greens and leftist activists are desperate to embark on here will usher IN our own unique form of apartheid.

Indy,

"In South Africa they had ‘truth-telling’" so, you didn't want to tell the truth, is that when you shot through to Australia, and joined the dole queue, later joining the aged welfare mob.

One simple question you are ashamed to answer; Why, when you became eligible to join the army in Australia, a citizen who met all conditions, you failed to do so? You could have done your bit for your adopted country, some national service.

Why, when you became eligible to join the army in Australia, a citizen who met all conditions, you failed to do so?
Paul1405,
Because then, my English wasn't good enough to meet the requirements. That's why !
Same when I applied for the Police. Times & conditions & requirements were different then.
That's why the situation was better in those days.

I wonder if Comrade Albanese will listen to the VOICE of aboriginal leader and academic, Marcia Langton, who is very concerned about the impact of solar farm eyesores on aboriginal land. Bigger and worse than mines, she VOICED.

Our Treasurer Jim Chalmers was asked on QandA las night
about the Republic. He answered - "First the Voice, then
a Republic!"

He answered - "First the Voice, then a Republic!"
Foxy,
I'm amazed they let him reveal a tactic that they know won't work !

Hi Indy,

With Charlie ascending the throne of England, it can only be good for the republican cause in Australia.

Paul1405,
My choice between useless gits & even more useless gits is the useless ones !

Dear Foxy,

You asked,

"Did you ever think that on a discussion forum a
complete stranger would have so much antipathy
against someone that he would publicly post that
he would rather roll in the mud with pigs than
be associated with them?

I have never in my life experienced anything like that.
So much hatred there and so disturbing."

Sorry but I really have no thoughts on him. I rarely read what he writes and only if others like yourself refer to a post of his in your own.

Being a tiny bit bemused why others still engage with him is the most I can muster on the subject

Dear Steele,

Thank you for responding to my question.

You're take is probably wise and I should
follow suit.

Indigenous Academic Marcia Langton has warned the construction of solar farms and hydrogen projects will “deeply impact” Aboriginal lands. The academic Voice has spoken. Will the Labor Party believe her?

SteeleRedux. As dishonest as always. He reads my posts alright; but he never addresses me openly. He lurks until other posters respond favourably to my threads, then he rips into them. He probably doesn't look anyone in the eye when he is talking to them, either.

He also muscles up to any references I use - one of the latest being that the IPA is "trash".

As for "engaging" with me - SR doesn't have the guts or the intellectual capacity to come back at anyone, not just me; he just shouts 'shutup' at anyone who can be bothered arguing with him.

Foxy, you and this unpleasant, shouty fellow are well suited. I hope that you will take his advise in regard to me for the sake your own mental health. Your frustrated nagging every time I or anyone else posts something you disapprove of doesn't seem to be doing you any good.

ttbn,
Indoctrinated intellect is constantly at loggerheads with wisdom & common sense !

Indyvidual

It certainly is. Fortunately we have only 3 of 4 'lunkheaded' ideologs doing the loggerheading on OLO - all of the Left, peeing themselves like excited puppies ever since the Great Embarrassment Albanese became PM, even though Labor received less than one third of the primary vote.

The Labor Government has been described as the dog that caught the car, but doesn't know what to do with it. An old quip, but dead accurate. Their supporters here are the same. I hope they are wearing their plastic pilchers, so excited and smug have they become.

ttbn,
Be patient, that mongrel will be in the pound eventually !

https://wildwoodmaps.com/products/firstnations?fbclid=IwAR1PDhJK8Mift8VI9t_PqN-9L6x74nhxk86-B3rJk3Ruux-Zg7zWSox2q_Q

Great Maps,
Who's got the originals & I wonder when they were first drawn & on what with what ? Does anyone know how or when Clans became Nations & which were their Capitals ?
Rather interesting !

A very pretty map showing just how absurd the idea of a Voice for ALL these mythical 'first nations' would be.

The High Court has found that no sovereignty resided in the aboriginal people before 1788. Activists are demanding something that did not exist before that date. No 'first nations' existed, either

I'd like to see a pre-Invasion map of this continent & what it was called ?
Give it a few weeks from this post on & one will mysteriously come to light !
I'm sure Govt funding won't be a problem to find it !

Dear Individual,

I'm really not sure what you are blathering on about here.

The map show distinct language groups which signify long stable populations with clearly agreed borders which were largely respected and maintained.

What on earth is your issue?

what you are blathering on about here.
SteeleRedux,
Blathering , really ? I'm simply reminding you et al that these maps as interesting as they are, are made possible through post-invasion people & their technology. Pre-invasion traditional inhabitants & dwellers had no concept of what the shape of the continent was let alone a concept of nationhood. There are traditional inhabitant legends galore with violence related content which clearly indicate that there wasn't such a thing as a Nation pre-invasion.
I personally find these maps extremely interesting however, it is the underlying agenda that spoils them. The attempts to lift the living, social & technological standards of pre-invasion times above what they actually were is an exercise in deceit, not true history !
The really sad part is that those practising it are merely having themselves on & are disrespecting their own or what they claim to be their own heritage ! Most only came to know much of their heritage through books, records & photos & through hearsay before the emergence of the written word. In other lands they had precise hyroglyphs ets but in this land that is now called Australia no such evidence has as yet come to light ! For your own sake & pride by all means tell & show of this most ancient humanity but refrain from over-embellishing & even inventing parts of it !