Aidan,

"Covid is MUCH more deadly than the flu."

Evidence? When all the data is finally tabulated and actual excess death rates determined, it may be that Covid on a world-wide basis was more deadly than most flu varieties. But there is no evidence that it was more deadly in places like Australia or the advanced west. Just assertions.

The claim that it was the lockdowns that caused us to have flu like death rates is unsupportable. The increasing evidence shows that lockdowns had no real effect. Comparing death rates across lockdown regimes shows no correlation between death rates and lockdown stringency. I've linked more than enough papers on this.

Its a circular argument. The claim is that we would have had epic deaths except for lockdowns and therefore lockdowns work. But there is no evidence that we would have had epic deaths. (There would have been an earthquake in Adelaide last week, but I prayed to the deity and thus avoided the earthquake proving that praying to the deity works.)

"It was not Pfizer's job to collect data on transmission rates..."
That's not the point. The authorities told us that the vaccine would stop transmission and that was the basis of the legal regimes forcing people to get vaccinated or be excluded from society. The authorities lied. They had no evidence for the claim and therefore no right to enforce vaccination. They lied and we need to internalise that.

We now know that the vaccine doesn't stop infection and doesn't stop transmission. Its sole benefit is that it reduces the chance of death following infection. That is, its benefits are personal and therefore the decision about being vaccinated should be personal.

"The claim that the virus was created in a lab comes from the Epoch Times,..."

Utter rubbish. There have been any number of reports since 2020 examining how the virus got out of the Wuhan Labs....

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/10/covid-origins-investigation-wuhan-lab

http://www.help.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/report_an_analysis_of_the_origins_of_covid-19_102722.pdf

and dozens of others.

The covid update I'm interested in is news of the investigation and prosecution of the bureaucrats and politicians responsible for lying to us and crushing our basic freedoms - all over a virus that was no worse than the 'flu for most people: people who were put under house arrest; people who lost their livelihoods; people who couldn't get vital medical treatment or education; people who couldn't enter their own country; people who were brutalised by police; people who were ostracised for not being vaccinated - with vaccines that that their makers now admit they lied about.

Daer mhaze,

You write:

"Comparing death rates across lockdown regimes shows no correlation between death rates and lockdown stringency. I've linked more than enough papers on this."

You have and when I looked at one of them it categorically stated that lockdowns worked in Australia.

Yet here you are like some kind of village idiot determined to blot out any contrary evidence even when it is your own.

You simper that there is no evidence that the Covid would have been more deadly than the flu here is Australia.

Over a million bloody dead in the US yet you think it would magically not decided to deliver the same rates here in Australia.

You are going to get called out for your fanaticism every time you try and pull this kind of rubbish.

Why don't you give it a miss.

"Over a million bloody dead in the US yet you think it would magically not decided to deliver the same rates here in Australia."

They had lockdowns in the US yet that death rate occurred. We had lockdowns here yet that death rate didn't occur. Why, its almost like the lockdowns were inconsequential as regards the severity of the virus, although I appreciate that this type of logic eludes you.

I get that you were gung-ho for lockdowns and the authoritarianism that accompanied it and therefore are determined to defend the policy to the death(!) but the world has woken up to the errors of the policy and is moving on. One day you will too.

http://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/

I'd mention again that my main initial point wasn't over lockdowns - that's already been discussed and, despite the holdouts, resolved. It was about the realisation that the government and medical authorities lied about the vaccines to get people to vaccinate under false pretences.

The people were told that they needed to vaccinate in order to protect loved ones and colleagues when in fact there was no evidence that the vaccine stopped transmission of the virus to those same loved ones and colleagues. Not only was there no evidence, they weren't even looking for that evidence. Nonetheless, the memo went out and all the so-called experts assured us that black was white.

As bad enough as that is, they then went on to coerce compliance with their false claims by ostracising the vaccine reluctant and in many cases threatening their livelihoods. We even had people, including on these pages, calling for forced vaccination.

All based on lies.

Covid was only more deadly in places where cheap simple remedies like Hydroxychloroquine & Ivermectin were denied the population by government, like Australia. In large states in India, population 220 million, where government gave out a kit of medication including Ivermectin, the whole pandemic collapsed to much less than the flue.

Yes I would like to see the trials for crimes against humanity of those who supported the whole scam. What would be a suitable punishment of those who killed thousands?

World wide we are seeing excess deaths, apparently among those silly enough to have got the jab. Someone in government needs to be charged with these deaths.