Remember when we were all encouraged to take the WuFlu vaccine for the good of those around us? We had to take the vaccine to ensure we didn’t infect our loved ones or colleagues. The unvaccinated were to be, and indeed were, treated as lepers, banned hither and thither because they were a danger to those who’d done the right thing and taken the vaccine.
http://dailysceptic.org/2022/10/12/covid-19-vaccine-was-not-tested-on-stopping-transmission-pfizer-exec-concedes/

Well….. a week or two ago a senior Pfizer executive told an EU inquiry that…oops…they didn’t actually have any data that the vaccine stopped the transmission. They couldn’t actually say that those who were vaccinated were any less likely to transmit the virus than the unvaccinated. Indeed, not only did they not have that data, they weren’t required and didn’t bother to even try to see if it was the case.

Yet governments all round the world, including ours, propagandised that we had to take the vaccine to break the infection cycle.

Governments ostracised the unvaccinated on the basis that they were a danger to others. In Victoria they actually fired on them. People lost their jobs, their businesses, their lives and all the while there wasn’t any evidence that the unvaccinated were any more likely to spread the dreaded WuFlu than the vaccinated.

The government lied….proceed accordingly.

In related covid news…..
“Moderna CEO admits to past lies: “COVID is simply the flu, harmless to the healthy.”
http://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/moderna-ceo-admits-to-past-lies-covid-is-simply-the-flu-harmless-to-the-healthy/
Covid is simply the flu….!! Where have I heard that before?

Also…
Last year two officials resigned from the US FDA. It now turns out it was because they wanted clinical studies before releasing the boosters. But the government wanted the boosters released without trials.

To all those who had a booster…how does it feel to be used as a guinea pig?

And cherry on top….”[US] Senate report concludes that COVID 'most likely' leaked from [Wuhan]lab..”.

Big Pharma, politicians, bureaucrats- anyone behind the Covid lies, lockdowns, mandatory vaccination, and totalitarianism, should face criminal charges.

Covid is simply the flu…
mHaze,
People die from Flu..where have I heard that before ?

"People die from Flu."

Yes they do. But we don't use that as a reason to close down society.

mHaze,
Hindsight criticism is the most hypocritical of all.
Did you tell anyone at the onset of COVID that no safety measures would be needed ?
Why didn't you inform everyone that you knew then that the virus was not as virulent as you appear think it is ?
There were armies of medical people telling us to isolote but you knew better. Why did you keep quiet that there was no need to be so cautious ! As i said, hindsight is no good without foresight. Tell us how the next pandemic should be avoided ! You could save us all a repeat of all the deaths & economic woes !

The media is scaremongering again about a 'new and deadly strain' of Covid that will strike x number of people down by Christmas. Given Queensland's Bill to gag doctors - which will permeate the rest of the states it is expected - and the dictatorial attitudes of politicians and and CHOs, nothing seems to be changing.

The rotten bastards are unable to admit that they were wrong - stupidly claiming that did well over the last two years. They DID NOT. Mere voting every three years is not enough to save us from these creeps.

oh dear Indy....

"Hindsight criticism is the most hypocritical of all."

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=9129#301593

and dozens of follow-up posts.

Back in March 2020 I wrote: "What if this is really just a bad flu season where ‘experts’ panicked and then panicked government?". Hence my comment about having heard it before.

If the political class is to restore its credibility, it should admit that the gross and totally unjustified abuse of executive power at all levels during the pandemic costing taxpayers billions and imposing vast suffering must never happen again.

Fat chance of that ever happening in Australia!

"Less Than 1 In 100 Million Chance That COVID-19 Has Natural Origin: New Study"
http://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/less-1-100-million-chance-covid-19-has-natural-origin-new-study

i.e. the virus was created in the lab and got out.

"The COVID coverup begins to unravel"
http://hotair.com/david-strom/2022/10/28/the-covid-coverup-begins-to-unravel-n506352

i.e. it was circulating almost two months before the CCP/WHO let on.

Dear mhaze,

You still banging on with this even though you have time and time again to be utterly wrong on so many of your pontifications around Covid.

To still be going on about it being a "bad flu" season when the mortality figures show Covid was 10 times as bad as any of the recent flu seasons illustrate how little regard you have for evidence.

Give it a rest mate. Conspiracy crap will do your head in.

oh dear Indy....
mHaze,
So, how many died from this "just a flu" related virus since you wrote those words ?
Do you really believe the reduction of international travel & the isolation requirements had nothing to do with the situation as it is now ?

When the extreme get it wrong, they call it a conspiracy against "truth", perpetrated by those unseen mysterious Communists and Marxist, and unnamed others. They have convinced themselves there are indeed reds under the beds, and they are hell bent on destroying civilisation as we know it.Unfortunately these crack-pot theorist would be no more than a laughing stock with this tin foil hats if it was not for the fact their negative nonsense is so dangerous. They deny the obvious and what is proven, climate change is real, covid is real and the defeat of their folk hero Dangerous Doctor Donald was also real, but not so to these nut jobs. Agree mhaze?

indy,

You asserted I was a hypocrite...""Hindsight criticism is the most hypocritical of all."

So I showed that indeed it wasn't a case of "hindsight". Would have been nice if you had acknowledged that....but alas.

"Do you really believe the reduction of international travel & the isolation requirements had nothing to do with the situation as it is now ?"

I've said over and over that the international quarantine implemented by Australia and other similarly blessed locales, was a huge factor. But the lockdowns, it is now clear, did more damage than good. I said it then and say it now. Its just that now, most researchers who look at it agree that the lockdowns were a huge mistake for which we will be paying for decades.

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SR,
"To still be going on about it being a "bad flu" season when the mortality figures show Covid was 10 times as bad ..."

Well I was quoting the head of Moderna...but what would he know?

10 times? What is it with SR. Every time he concocts numbers, he asserts they are 10 times worse than whatever he's against (see DV discussion).

SR, I know that it pains you to find after all this time that you were on the wrong side of the argument, but you're going to have to live with it. Lockdowns were a failure. In Australia Covid deaths were similar to a bad flu season.

Now that the data is flowing and the political heat is diminishing, the truth is struggling to the surface.

T'was always thus.

Would have been nice if you had acknowledged that....but alas.
mhaze,
An opportunistic quip is not foresight by a long shot so, don't flatter yourself. There are too many out in the cemeteries who are there because of reculcitrants who risked everyone else's safety by their opposing many preventative measures !
Not really something to be proud of & try to make yourself appear wise !

Dear mhaze,

Pythonesque absurdities yet again.

We had flu like mortality rates from Covid precisely because our lockdowns worked (as explained by the very paper you posted) but which you now say shouldn't have been used because they kept the mortality rate at flu levels?

Oh what a tortuous web you weave for your self.

Reconciling all your contradictions must take an inordinate amount of time each day.

Perhaps giving yourself a break might be just the ticket to sort things out.

"An opportunistic quip..."

So you didn't read that long thread or the many times I made that point. Not that I particularly prescient. Many others made the same point. Its just that their views were suppressed at the time.

There were clear-headed scientists and medical people who said from the outset that the scare was overblown and the measures taken against it completely wrong. But the authorities worked overtime to ensure that the public weren't exposed to those views. And as we see with people such as yourself, having fallen for the official line, many are determined to refuse to see the errors.

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SR,
That's pretty impressive....

On the same day you assert....
" when the mortality figures show Covid was 10 times as bad.."

AND

"We had flu like mortality rates from Covid..."

If you're gunna make stuff up, you need to keep your lies straight

mhaze,
It's quite simple:
Covid is MUCH more deadly than the flu.
But because Australia went hard and fast with lockdowns until vaccines were readily available, our mortality rates were comparable to flu.

And now most people have had multiple vaccinations, some people predict that managing further outbreaks could be similar to managing flu. Keep in mind that most people aren't vaccinated against flu, and that unlike Covid, which changes solely by mutation, new flu strains form by recombination of different H and N genes in wild bird populations.

The next outbreak of flu is also likely to start in the Wuhan area, so please stop referring to Covid as WuFlu!

It was not Pfizer's job to collect data on transmission rates, but I can't think of any credible mechanism by which the vaccine could fail to reduce transmission rates. Can you?

The claim that the virus was created in a lab comes from the Epoch Times, which is NOT a reliable source; it cares more about looking the Chinese government look bad than about telling the truth. I'm not saying it's definitely wasn't, but I'd rather hear what other virologists say about the study than rush to judgement based on one biased report.

Another far right Trumpster nut job has been at work in America, David DePape attacked Paul Pelosi, husband of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, attaked the bloke with a hammer. This nut job has found support among some other Trumsters, like Trump Jr. Any Trumpsters on this Forum agreeing with DePage's actions?

Aidan,

"Covid is MUCH more deadly than the flu."

Evidence? When all the data is finally tabulated and actual excess death rates determined, it may be that Covid on a world-wide basis was more deadly than most flu varieties. But there is no evidence that it was more deadly in places like Australia or the advanced west. Just assertions.

The claim that it was the lockdowns that caused us to have flu like death rates is unsupportable. The increasing evidence shows that lockdowns had no real effect. Comparing death rates across lockdown regimes shows no correlation between death rates and lockdown stringency. I've linked more than enough papers on this.

Its a circular argument. The claim is that we would have had epic deaths except for lockdowns and therefore lockdowns work. But there is no evidence that we would have had epic deaths. (There would have been an earthquake in Adelaide last week, but I prayed to the deity and thus avoided the earthquake proving that praying to the deity works.)

"It was not Pfizer's job to collect data on transmission rates..."
That's not the point. The authorities told us that the vaccine would stop transmission and that was the basis of the legal regimes forcing people to get vaccinated or be excluded from society. The authorities lied. They had no evidence for the claim and therefore no right to enforce vaccination. They lied and we need to internalise that.

We now know that the vaccine doesn't stop infection and doesn't stop transmission. Its sole benefit is that it reduces the chance of death following infection. That is, its benefits are personal and therefore the decision about being vaccinated should be personal.

"The claim that the virus was created in a lab comes from the Epoch Times,..."

Utter rubbish. There have been any number of reports since 2020 examining how the virus got out of the Wuhan Labs....

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/10/covid-origins-investigation-wuhan-lab

http://www.help.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/report_an_analysis_of_the_origins_of_covid-19_102722.pdf

and dozens of others.

The covid update I'm interested in is news of the investigation and prosecution of the bureaucrats and politicians responsible for lying to us and crushing our basic freedoms - all over a virus that was no worse than the 'flu for most people: people who were put under house arrest; people who lost their livelihoods; people who couldn't get vital medical treatment or education; people who couldn't enter their own country; people who were brutalised by police; people who were ostracised for not being vaccinated - with vaccines that that their makers now admit they lied about.

Daer mhaze,

You write:

"Comparing death rates across lockdown regimes shows no correlation between death rates and lockdown stringency. I've linked more than enough papers on this."

You have and when I looked at one of them it categorically stated that lockdowns worked in Australia.

Yet here you are like some kind of village idiot determined to blot out any contrary evidence even when it is your own.

You simper that there is no evidence that the Covid would have been more deadly than the flu here is Australia.

Over a million bloody dead in the US yet you think it would magically not decided to deliver the same rates here in Australia.

You are going to get called out for your fanaticism every time you try and pull this kind of rubbish.

Why don't you give it a miss.

"Over a million bloody dead in the US yet you think it would magically not decided to deliver the same rates here in Australia."

They had lockdowns in the US yet that death rate occurred. We had lockdowns here yet that death rate didn't occur. Why, its almost like the lockdowns were inconsequential as regards the severity of the virus, although I appreciate that this type of logic eludes you.

I get that you were gung-ho for lockdowns and the authoritarianism that accompanied it and therefore are determined to defend the policy to the death(!) but the world has woken up to the errors of the policy and is moving on. One day you will too.

http://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/

I'd mention again that my main initial point wasn't over lockdowns - that's already been discussed and, despite the holdouts, resolved. It was about the realisation that the government and medical authorities lied about the vaccines to get people to vaccinate under false pretences.

The people were told that they needed to vaccinate in order to protect loved ones and colleagues when in fact there was no evidence that the vaccine stopped transmission of the virus to those same loved ones and colleagues. Not only was there no evidence, they weren't even looking for that evidence. Nonetheless, the memo went out and all the so-called experts assured us that black was white.

As bad enough as that is, they then went on to coerce compliance with their false claims by ostracising the vaccine reluctant and in many cases threatening their livelihoods. We even had people, including on these pages, calling for forced vaccination.

All based on lies.

Covid was only more deadly in places where cheap simple remedies like Hydroxychloroquine & Ivermectin were denied the population by government, like Australia. In large states in India, population 220 million, where government gave out a kit of medication including Ivermectin, the whole pandemic collapsed to much less than the flue.

Yes I would like to see the trials for crimes against humanity of those who supported the whole scam. What would be a suitable punishment of those who killed thousands?

World wide we are seeing excess deaths, apparently among those silly enough to have got the jab. Someone in government needs to be charged with these deaths.

The ABC now tells us that Covid caused a shortage of ammunition, and kangaroo shooters are being held back in controlling the animals in Queensland.

Shortages have been caused by "panic buying" and the effects of the ridiculous lockdowns on manufacturing. Roo numbers increased by 500,000 in 2020-21.

It's a pity roos are immune to Covid, where it could have done some good.