indy,

You asserted I was a hypocrite...""Hindsight criticism is the most hypocritical of all."

So I showed that indeed it wasn't a case of "hindsight". Would have been nice if you had acknowledged that....but alas.

"Do you really believe the reduction of international travel & the isolation requirements had nothing to do with the situation as it is now ?"

I've said over and over that the international quarantine implemented by Australia and other similarly blessed locales, was a huge factor. But the lockdowns, it is now clear, did more damage than good. I said it then and say it now. Its just that now, most researchers who look at it agree that the lockdowns were a huge mistake for which we will be paying for decades.

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SR,
"To still be going on about it being a "bad flu" season when the mortality figures show Covid was 10 times as bad ..."

Well I was quoting the head of Moderna...but what would he know?

10 times? What is it with SR. Every time he concocts numbers, he asserts they are 10 times worse than whatever he's against (see DV discussion).

SR, I know that it pains you to find after all this time that you were on the wrong side of the argument, but you're going to have to live with it. Lockdowns were a failure. In Australia Covid deaths were similar to a bad flu season.

Now that the data is flowing and the political heat is diminishing, the truth is struggling to the surface.

T'was always thus.

Would have been nice if you had acknowledged that....but alas.
mhaze,
An opportunistic quip is not foresight by a long shot so, don't flatter yourself. There are too many out in the cemeteries who are there because of reculcitrants who risked everyone else's safety by their opposing many preventative measures !
Not really something to be proud of & try to make yourself appear wise !

Dear mhaze,

Pythonesque absurdities yet again.

We had flu like mortality rates from Covid precisely because our lockdowns worked (as explained by the very paper you posted) but which you now say shouldn't have been used because they kept the mortality rate at flu levels?

Oh what a tortuous web you weave for your self.

Reconciling all your contradictions must take an inordinate amount of time each day.

Perhaps giving yourself a break might be just the ticket to sort things out.

"An opportunistic quip..."

So you didn't read that long thread or the many times I made that point. Not that I particularly prescient. Many others made the same point. Its just that their views were suppressed at the time.

There were clear-headed scientists and medical people who said from the outset that the scare was overblown and the measures taken against it completely wrong. But the authorities worked overtime to ensure that the public weren't exposed to those views. And as we see with people such as yourself, having fallen for the official line, many are determined to refuse to see the errors.

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SR,
That's pretty impressive....

On the same day you assert....
" when the mortality figures show Covid was 10 times as bad.."

AND

"We had flu like mortality rates from Covid..."

If you're gunna make stuff up, you need to keep your lies straight

mhaze,
It's quite simple:
Covid is MUCH more deadly than the flu.
But because Australia went hard and fast with lockdowns until vaccines were readily available, our mortality rates were comparable to flu.

And now most people have had multiple vaccinations, some people predict that managing further outbreaks could be similar to managing flu. Keep in mind that most people aren't vaccinated against flu, and that unlike Covid, which changes solely by mutation, new flu strains form by recombination of different H and N genes in wild bird populations.

The next outbreak of flu is also likely to start in the Wuhan area, so please stop referring to Covid as WuFlu!

It was not Pfizer's job to collect data on transmission rates, but I can't think of any credible mechanism by which the vaccine could fail to reduce transmission rates. Can you?

The claim that the virus was created in a lab comes from the Epoch Times, which is NOT a reliable source; it cares more about looking the Chinese government look bad than about telling the truth. I'm not saying it's definitely wasn't, but I'd rather hear what other virologists say about the study than rush to judgement based on one biased report.

Another far right Trumpster nut job has been at work in America, David DePape attacked Paul Pelosi, husband of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, attaked the bloke with a hammer. This nut job has found support among some other Trumsters, like Trump Jr. Any Trumpsters on this Forum agreeing with DePage's actions?