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Murder of Indigenous Women

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Steele,
As gun ownership is at an all time high in the US and the murder rate is falling and the number of guns in civilian hands in Australia is higher than before Port Arthur and the murder rate is falling, it would seem that more guns makes for a safer society.

Do you not agree?
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 27 October 2022 11:20:13 AM
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Wow SR, lots of tantrum throwing in there. All bluster, no facts. While I do worry about your cognitive facilities, at least we can be clear that they aren't so bad that you know that your only response has to manically shout.

As soon as you raised the utterly bogus theory about rural domestic violence rates, I wrote agreeing that indeed they are higher in rural/regional regions than urban centres. Now you tell me I'm a buffoon because the report I used shows that they are higher in rural/regional regions than urban centres. Logic takes a holiday!

Now we know that logic is not your friend when you realise you've painted yourself into a corner, but this takes the cake.

I hesitate to use numbers since, by definition you'll get lost, but you've claimed that region rates are 300% to 1000% higher than urban rates while the data shows it's orders of magnitude lower than that.

In the meantime, data shows that rural aboriginal rates of DV are indeed up to 35 TIMES higher than urban rates. SR makes up data to try to refute that and then wants to argue at the margins over few percentage points here or there while ignoring numbers like 3500%. Dill.

Meanwhile I wrote..."But I get that you don't want this to be true, so aboriginal women being hospitalised at horrific rates will be ignored."....and SR ignored it. Next breathe he'll be telling us how heart-felt is his concern for the natives. Hypocrite.

So to return to the main point....ultimately the problem here is the nature of aboriginal culture which persists in the less assimilated parts of that culture. Until that is addressed, aboriginal women will continue to die at the hands of the intimate partners. And the woke will continue to avert their gaze.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 27 October 2022 12:05:37 PM
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It's very easy to problematise cultures. Many of us
tend to use cultural superiority in our conceptualisation
of other cultures. Not only that but this can lead to
the further exclusion of vulnerable people.

"It's a cultural thing," is a subtle form of racism that
happens in many settings and it is something that our
First Nations Australians, immigrants, and refugees are
only too familiar with. It's language that's been used regarding
people who've already been marginalised by those in position of
power. It's also relegating responsibility elsewhere.

By all means lets look at the causes of the problems - but lets
look deeper - than just brushing it aside as a "cultural thing."
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 27 October 2022 12:36:58 PM
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I lived in a small town in the Riverina for a number of years. The life expectancy was lower, and alcoholism was more prevalent, but certainly, the instances of domestic violence were nowhere near 10x that of the cities.

The majority of deaths of aboriginal women are due to DV which from what I've heard is 30-40x that of non-aboriginal communities. It is lower in the cities but still much higher than normal.

I understand that alcohol and drug abuse seriously aggravate the problem. Stopping this would require severe intrusions against the rights of these communities.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 27 October 2022 1:30:21 PM
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Foxy,
Watkin Tench, of the First Fleet, recorded in his journal that Aboriginal women were severely beaten.
It wasn’t introduced by the Europeans but seems to have been part of local culture.
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 27 October 2022 3:24:34 PM
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"I lived in a small town in the Riverina" so that's where the Village Nazi comes from!
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 27 October 2022 9:16:15 PM
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