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Climate sceptics have been played by the Fossil Fuel industry

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They're trying to scare us
We're being told
It's all a lie
That we're being sold

Listen to what we tell you
We know what it's all about
We're on the right side
Of which there is no doubt

So ignore the stuff you're being told
Believe in all of us
Believe in what we tell you
And we won't make a fuss

We can continue to pollute
It our God-given right
We don't have to change our ways
Just keep things out of sight!
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 8 August 2022 1:43:59 PM
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I have just read all the responses to my original post.
Judging by many of the comments most have not bothered to actually view the three documentaries. My main take away from these three is that we have lost three decades, where we had the opportunity to make the transition to alternative energy sources.
There is a wealth of evidence that renewables will not cut it. The real need is to reduce our demand for energy.
But there is good news. We do not have to bother with this debate. We do not have to argue about how much global warming. All the indicators point to the fact that we have already reached the point of no return. Nature will do what it always does. It does not pay any attention to our mindless chatter on this forum. Nature will have the final say - we may hasten the collapse or slow it down. But we have already reached the point of no return and so the sensible course of action is to work out how we are going to survive the collapse. For those with the inclination you might like to read this short piece: https://johnmenadue.com/theres-no-escaping-a-hothouse-earth/
Posted by BAYGON, Monday, 8 August 2022 1:54:24 PM
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SR,

"I don't even have to look that one up..."

Standard SR there. I don't want it to be true, therefore it isn't.

"...get back to me when 9 of the 10 record runs have occurred since the 1990s."

Yes I get it. When there's some hot days in England it's climate and proves we're all gunna die, but if its cold for a few days it's got nowt to do with climate.

As to Siberia, clearly sometimes it's hot and sometimes it's cold. Almost like it's cyclic or something? But as per above, if it's hot, it's climate and we're all gunna die and if it's cold, it's just the weather.

"for you to be diving to challenge “96%” of the US data..."

Not me old boy. A recent study. Want me to look it up for you? Oh and not 96% of the data, just 96% of the data stations. You won't understand the difference so you'll just hve to trust me that there is one.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 8 August 2022 2:01:26 PM
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Dear mhaze,

So not a single thing to back up your claim: “There have already been more white Christmas in London this century than the whole of the 20th Century.”?

Why not?

It was boldly stated and you seem to take ownership of it so how about giving us even a single reputable source to confirm what you put.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 8 August 2022 2:56:58 PM
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From the AIMS report on the state of the reef...

"In 2022, widespread recovery has led to the highest coral cover recorded by the LTMP in the Northern and Central GBR, largely due to increases in the fast-growing Acropora corals, which are the dominant group of corals on the GBR and have been largely responsible previous changes in hard coral cover"

Highest ever!!

Back in 2011 the same organisation said “coral cover in the central and southern regions of the GBR is likely to decline to 5-10% by 2022”. Let's give them more money. Of course at the time they were trying to get rid of Ridd who turned out to be right
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 8 August 2022 6:00:22 PM
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Dear mhaze,

Geez you can be thick sometimes.

We have already been through this before. It is a specific type of coral which is responsible for most of the growth. From the report:

"most of the recovery was driven by
increases in the fast-growing Acropora corals, which have
proliferated across many GBR reefs. Once established, these
corals enter an exponential growth phase that rapidly
increases measures of percent hard coral cover, as
documented in this year’s results. However, they are
particularly susceptible to wave damage, like that generated
by strong winds and tropical cyclones. They are also highly susceptible to coral bleaching and are the
preferred prey for crown-of-thorns starfish. Therefore, large
increases in hard coral cover can quickly be overturned by
disturbances on reefs where Acropora predominate."

It is just like a bushfire in some areas here in the south east of the country. Acacia paradoxa is a native bush which takes off after a fire often making it difficult for other species to compete.

The reef is in stress and bleaching events have not gone away.

"In the austral summer of 2021/22, much of the GBR was
subjected to a level of accumulated heat stress that caused
mass coral bleaching to occur. This was the fourth such
event since 2016 and the first to ever occur in a La Niña year
and is a sign that the GBR is experiencing the consequences
of climate change. To detect coral bleaching, surveys need to occur during or after the summer heatwave. In 2022, the peak heat stress
occurred during March. Of the 87 reefs surveyed in-water by LTMP this season, 44 were surveyed in September and December 2021 before the
peak bleaching season, and 43 were surveyed during the
peak bleaching season from January to May 2022. Of the 43
surveyed during the peak of the bleaching, 11 had no
bleaching, 24 had minor bleaching (>0% – 10%), seven had
moderate bleaching (>10% – 30%) and one had major
bleaching (>30% – 60%)."
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 8 August 2022 9:23:10 PM
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