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Climate sceptics have been played by the Fossil Fuel industry

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The BBC has produce a three part series Big Oil v The world. Available on you tube (part 1 can be seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0iiVhOSWQg&t=11s) I have been researching this for the last twenty years. What has been available in peer reviewed papers has now been documented by the BBC - no longer is this information hidden by any paywalls. If you are interested in the ways in which the Fossil Fuel industry has systematically fostered climate scepticism and discouraged any attempts by politician to reverse the process that has been generated by CO2. As a consequence we have lost fifty years, a period during which we could have maintained our quality life without compromising our future.
Posted by BAYGON, Friday, 5 August 2022 9:11:55 AM
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Climate hysterics have been "played" by people making massive profits from renewables, Marxists and politicians in thrall to bureaucrats.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 5 August 2022 10:51:31 AM
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Dear BAYGON,

Yes indeed. It has been quite astounding the revelations around the lengthy disinformation campaigns against action on global warming. The same firm which worked so successfully for the smoking giants to delay regulation were instrumental in the fraud as well.

The result is we are still seeing their useful, parroting, idiots on forums like this. It is instructive to see the type of person who became fools for hire, really for free. Amazing marketing when you think about it.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 5 August 2022 11:13:41 AM
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AGW, global warming, whatever the latest misnomer is, is just insane scaremongering, with none of the predictions, wild guesses, models etc. coming true since the BS started decades ago. All the by-such-and-such dates have come and gone.

The latest bullshite-breaker is the news that the GBR has more coral than EVER.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 5 August 2022 11:15:18 AM
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Hi BAYGON,

Thanks for this topic.

I watched Q and A last night and on the panel was the
CEO of CSIRO. It was gratifying to hear his views
as a scientist as well as from other panel members
and members of the audience. Concerns about climate
is very real. As is the insistence that action needs
to be taken - especially regarding investing in
renewables. We're one of the standout countries in terms
of human development status. Our science is world class.
We've been able to come up with so many inventions
and innovations - and we should continue to lead.

Of course we'll always have the naysayers who are
comfortable in their ideologies. And as history has shown
on issues which require radical solutions that are likely
to harm economic and political interests - censorship,
misinformation, and attempts to stop any progress will
continue to exist.

New ideas instead of being welcome for the opportunities they
open up will always be seen as threats by some people.
Luckily - things are changing thanks to a younger generation.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 5 August 2022 1:47:39 PM
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This is just a regurgitation of the whole 'Exxon Knew' saga. Its already been fully debunked in many places including this forum as well as in the courts. It was originally pursued by about 20 US state AG's but as they became increasingly aware of how erroneous the claims that #ExxonKnew were, they dropped off. Last man standing was New York who were humiliated in the courts.

Its also a regurgitation of the long since debunked claims that the fossil fuel industry put enormous sums into the sceptic community when the truth is the sceptics are outspent by orders of magnitude by the alarmists. Hilariously the whole #ExxonKnew meme was started by an alarmist group called Inside Climate News (ICN) who, and the alarmist never talk about this, who were lavishly funded by the reliable anti-fossil fuel Rockefeller Brothers Fund. ICN actually gave editorial control over the issue to the RBF.

Its old news, long since debunked. But when has that ever stopped the BBC or the alarmist community in general?
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 5 August 2022 4:24:41 PM
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Dear mhaze,

Rubbish as usual. From the very start of the climate debates the fossil fuel industry reached out to the same disinformation specialists in Hill & Knowlton and they have been extremely successful in getting people like yourself to regurgitate their talking points.

Well done.

But I am curious, what part of your brain allows you to ignore last month's bushfires in England or their record temperatures for instance?

"The Meteorological Office, U.K.'s weather office, announced that a temperature of 40.3 Celsius (104.5 degrees Fahrenheit) was provisionally recorded Tuesday at Coningsby in eastern England. A temperature of 39.1 C (102.4 F) was provisionally recorded earlier in the day in the English village of Charlwood in Surrey.

Those temperatures were just part of a record-setting day across the U.K.: "At least 29 observation sites across England have provisionally broken the previous all- time maximum U.K. record of 38.7 degrees C this afternoon," the Met Office said in a tweet Tuesday afternoon."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/07/19/europe-heatwave-uk-temperature-record-broken/10094289002/

Is you mantra still 'nothing to see here?'
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 5 August 2022 5:15:07 PM
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SR tells calls my points rubbish....and then proceeds to offer not an iota of evidence for that. Standard SR. Assertion trumps facts in SR-land.

He then gives me all the details of the UK temps last month. It seems SR doesn't understand the difference between weather and climate.

Doesn't understand....I'll add it to the list.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 5 August 2022 5:54:54 PM
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Why don't those who believe renewables are a solution provide non-polluting power generation for all to see & use ?
Posted by Indyvidual, Friday, 5 August 2022 7:56:39 PM
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Dear Steele,

Perhaps you should tell mhaze about the benefits
of eating dried grapes. It's all about raisin
awareness really.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 5 August 2022 8:33:48 PM
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Science has provided overwhelming evidence that human activity has led to climate change, the impact of which is now being experienced through extreme weather events. The world is regularly recording abnormal weather, resulting in major loss of life, with catastrophic impact on property and the environment. The debate about what is now a reality is over, yet we still have a small group of political dimwits, some of them are on this forum, who refuse to accept what is blatantly obvious.

Yes, Big Oil, Big Coal and Big Gas, have not found it difficult to convince our little band of forum troglodytes that climate change is nothing more than another 'Commie Plot' run by Marxists scientists and other commies to undermine the 'Free World', and destroy the super profits of the good folk of the fossil fuel industry, such as Sheik Abbie Dabbie Do Bar of Saudi Arabia and his mates at Exxon Oil!

You guys are too much!
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 6 August 2022 6:55:31 AM
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Um, remember all the statements by the global warming catastrophists that fossil fuels were evil and the companies producing them would all go broke in a few years, so ha ha and sucked in to all those wicked people associated with them? Yes you fossil fools, behold the wondrous rollout of erratic energy!

I am amazed at the denial of erratic energy's shortcomings. Instead Guterres condemns the fossil fuel industry for making obscene profits. How long before these hateful morons realise why fossil fuels are so profitable?
Posted by Fester, Saturday, 6 August 2022 9:44:24 AM
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Talk about about being 'played'. The Biloela Bums have played us for suckers. Illegal arrivals, seven-times-rejected, the Labor regime has granted them permanent residency - at the end of the week, when everything closes down. It has been made clear to people smugglers by Labor - people arriving by boat WILL be allowed to stay; the rules have been reversed; it might take time; it will cost Australian suckers lots of money as the illegals are allowed to abuse our legal system, they will be provided with accommodation, food and medical care, and they will stay.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 6 August 2022 10:30:24 AM
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Remember how the GBR was dying and it proved man/CO2 were killing the planet.

Well never mind..... "An AIMS survey of 87 reefs found that between August 2021 and May 2022, average hard coral cover in the upper region and central areas of the reef increased by around one third."

But the spokesperson for AIMS pointed out the reef was still gunna die (no really, we would lie to you?), so please keep the government money rolling in.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 6 August 2022 11:29:10 AM
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He couldn't help himself, it has nothing to do with the topic, but the forums number one bigoted hater, and Horrible Hanson lover, had to vent his spleen, 'The Biloela Bums' are in our midst, so he tells us. If it came down to a choice between this family, and some non-contributing worthless old reprobate well past his "use by date" I know who I'd give the "Big A" to.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 6 August 2022 11:42:58 AM
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Hi Paul,

The history of this family is not a good one. They
were not the refugees that they claimed having
travelled back to Sri Lanka sever times. Still
they managed to get the support of a small town
and thwart the system. So it's now a done deal.

I find it rather unfair though of all the people
still in detention. Plus the case of the Ukrainian
mother who can't leave Australia to bury her son
kill fighting the Russians because she's been told that
once she leaves she won't be aloud back into the
country.

No wonder the statue of Justice wears a blindfold.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 6 August 2022 12:54:05 PM
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Sorry for the typos. I've lost my glasses.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 6 August 2022 12:55:47 PM
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Here, you can read for yourselves the nonsense coming from Bob's gob:

https://reneweconomy.com.au/renewables-clearly-the-answer-as-bob-brown-marches-on-adani-mine-81037/

Yep, wonderful erratic energy will deliver us Nirvana and the evil fossil fools are headed for financial ruin and oblivion. Now that the erratic energy con is starting to unravel, e.g.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220302150147.htm

the erratic energy zealots want to lynch the fossil fools for making obscene profits. Bob the gob and his erratic energy nut jobs should be grateful that fossil fuels and the even more evil nuclear power are the only things staving off an erratic energy Hell.
Posted by Fester, Saturday, 6 August 2022 1:23:47 PM
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Here we have SR & Paul, who between them would not have enough math to make change for a bus ticket with out a computer & help from Mr Google, prattling on as if they understand any of this junk.

Perhaps they don't remember all the claims that tipping points would boil us. Of course without tipping points none of the global warming caused by CO2 can work. Don't hear much about tipping points today, that is another bit of the scam long shot down.

Now it is just chicken little sky falling rubbish, hoping to cream enough before the cooling planet finally destroys their game.

One does get sick of useful idiots.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 6 August 2022 1:48:03 PM
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Hi Foxy,

I hear what you say, and its all true, but on balance its my opinion this family has suffered enough for political reasons at the hands of our (Coalition) politicians. Remembering that the family includes two young children, can we honestly say given the same circumstances as parents we would have acted any differently. I for one are prepared to put aside the logic, the reasoning, all the negatives and simply apply forgiveness and compassion.

The Nadesalingam family have no connection to the injustices being applied to others in detention, or to the poor mother who is not permitted to return to Ukraine to bury her son. I don't find those things unfair, I find them despicable.

Buddha said the emotions of compassion and forgiveness were extremely hard to achieve, but never the less we should strive to attain both.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 6 August 2022 2:09:43 PM
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Paul,

This "non-contributing worthless old reprobate well past his "use by date" " has contributed as much if not more than you you have. I'm also a third generation Australian so, sadly for you, I can't be kicked out. And, the Bums have contributed nothing. They came here illegally and cost us a lot of money. You really are a very silly person, as well as being deeply unpleasant. And, if you want to insult Pauline Hanson, do it directly to her. She is nothing to me.

Go on. Send her an email with your proper name and address, telling her what you think of her. Show the courage of your opinions, little man, talking big anonymously, and thinking that badmouthing a third party through me is going to make a jot of difference to anyone.

You are a great one for calling people names. Are you able to detail how successful that tactic has been for you? How many people have you brought to their knees? In what way has it improved your self esteem? Do you actually have any self esteem? You miserable bugger.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 6 August 2022 2:19:49 PM
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Who was the Forum Fool who once said he had debunked 'Climate Change' thanks to his 87 year old neighbour who had been recording temperatures over 50 years with a thermometer located in his chook shed at the back of his house. A clue, its the same old nutter who put forward the suggestion that we should "nuk" Pakistan and murder 200 million people on the grounds of "lets get them before they get us". I'm yet to fathom why Pakistan, but I think it was the country of choice because they were the right colour, right religion, and they speak some kind of gobbledygook.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 6 August 2022 2:26:58 PM
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Hi Paul,

I hear what you're saying. But to me this family was told
every step of the way even before they had the children
that they could not stay and did not qualify as refugees.
They went ahead and had the girls anyway. Anyway, if we're
talking about compassion and kindness - we have enough
real refugees that need to be shown compassion and
kindness. In any case this family ended up winning what
they set out to do. They're very lucky. In the meantime
lots of people are still waiting for justice to be done.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 6 August 2022 2:50:29 PM
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Paul

Well, come on tell us who your "Forum Fool" was, and what it has to do with anything. Or, is he, she or it something your fevered brain has come up with. You really should be seeking help or getting off the booze or whatever substance you are on.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 6 August 2022 4:08:47 PM
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Getting back to the tedium of fossil fuels-climate gibbering, leading global weather nutter, Al Gore, has likened 'climate deniers' to the Uvalde, Texas, police who failed to save school children from an amok gunman.

Work that one out. Or, better, just contemplate the lies (confirmed by a British judge) that this crackpot Gore has spread around about climate change, frightening children, and now still talking absolute rubbish linking his climate scaremongering to the tragic killing of kids.

He is saying, apparently, that hestitancy in 'stopping' climate change is going to kill kids or people. Never quite sane with his wild predictions that never came true, the man is disintegrating in his desperation. Well, climate change will not be stopped by humans, and nobody is going to be killed by it.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 6 August 2022 4:34:42 PM
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ttbn,

You are a great one for calling people names, who are the "Biloela Bums" you are referring to? Could it be the Nadesalingam family who live in Biloela, I assume it is. As for letter writing, how about dropping a line to the Nadesalingam family and give them a piece of your mind, after all you called them "Biloela Bums". Better still direct your correspondence to the children, tell them what nasty little buggers they are, and while you're at it tell them what you think of their parents. With your vitriol its likely to scare them that much, that they will pack up and leave. Don't forget to include your name and address.

How quick you change, a couple of months back you were singing the praised of Horrible Hanson's One Nation party, and how you would be voting for them, you have since claimed you did just that. Well, considering they were a complete flop, its no surprise you have dumped them now. As for your questions, I don't take directions from you.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 6 August 2022 5:14:49 PM
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It is not the Bums' fault that they are allowed to stay here, so I have written to the person who did allow them. I hope that's OK with you. I quite often write to politicians and, unlike you, always supply my details - to get a response. Duh.

Yes. I did vote for One Nation, and I might do it again if I feel the need because there is nothing better. I also emailed Pauline Hanson thanking her for her response to smoking/welcome to country made up mumbo-jumbo.

I haven't "dumped" anyone. I merely pointed out your stupidity of trying to insult the woman through me, when I have no personal connections with her, or interest in her, than I do in any other politician, or ratbag poster.

Now, what about this Forum Fool and bombing Pakistan? What is the relevance of that? It's probably something you made up in your madness.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 6 August 2022 6:08:43 PM
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Dear mhaze,

My argument was that the fossil fuel industry employed the same disinformation firm which was used so successful in stalling regulations on the smoking industry.

You can choose to ignore it but please don't claim I produced nothing.

Weather records lag climate trends and the fact that what we are seeing is in lock step with a warming planet then they are most certainly relevant. Only a fool would argue otherwise.

As to your reef bunkum only a blithering idiot would claim what you are.

It is like saying after a devastating bushfire that regrowth has increased by a third so everything is back to normal.

As the article clearly states: “AIMS monitoring program team leader Dr. Mike Emslie said that most of the increase was driven by fast-growing Acropora corals which are "particularly vulnerable" to coral bleaching, wave damage caused by tropical cyclones and as prey for the starfish.”

Many of the slower growing corals are still to recover and may take decades to fully re-establish.

What is extraordinary is that you regurgitate this all for nothing. Do you at any stage pause and think 'why am I doing the bidding of multi-nationals and their slick disinformation specialists?

Dear Hasbeen,

Mate, give it away. You trot out the same tired lines that go 'something something math something something' thinking that it has one iota of relevance or currency.

It doesn't.

Dear Fester,

Don't get your knickers in a knot old boy.

The UK is well behind Australia in per capita large battery storage which goes a long way toward mitigating fluctuating supply. Perhaps concentrating on what is happening here rather than looking toward countries who are still playing catch up.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 6 August 2022 6:28:45 PM
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SR,

The thread was about the BBC series which in turn was about the #ExxonKnew claims. The claims about Exxon have long since debunked as I said here and in an early thread on the pages. Whatismore, its been debunked in the US courts.

And your response? Well as usual SR ignores the data and looks to see if there's any messengers he dislikes.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 6 August 2022 7:41:52 PM
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Dear Steele,

Batteries can be problematic:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/dypw5x/largest-lithium-ion-battery-in-the-world-meltdown-moss-landing

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/22/tesla-fire-sacramento/

Yes, I did take the vilification of the fossil fuel industry a little personally, but I see the attack as tacit acknowledgement that erratic energy is not up to task.
Posted by Fester, Sunday, 7 August 2022 8:17:25 AM
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SR

"It is like saying after a devastating bushfire that regrowth has increased by a third so everything is back to normal."

Yes it's exactly like that. After one natural event another natural event follows.

"Do you at any stage pause and think 'why am I doing the bidding of multi-nationals and their slick disinformation specialists?"

No. I only look at the data. Who is delivering the data is really beside the point although, if the data turns out to be less than accurate then the deliverer might help explain why. Do you ever wonder why you reach a conclusion and then look for the data to support it? Which is of coarse the exact opposite of how science should work, although you then, hilariously, claim to follow the science.

"Weather records lag climate trends and the fact that what we are seeing is in lock step with a warming planet then they are most certainly relevant. "

If I was a shallow as you and went off to find some place on the planet that recently experienced unusual cold, would that prove anything from a climate point of view? Weather isn't climate. Weather is one place at one time most definitely isn't climate. Promoting it as having meaning is just something that is used to reel in the gullible.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 7 August 2022 11:01:33 AM
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Dear mhaze,

You claim: “No. I only look at the data.”

Bunkum.

If you did that we wouldn't be having this silly argument.

Here is some data for you.

9 of the 10 hottest days recorded in the UK have happened since 1990.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/gallery/metofficegovuk/images/about-us/press-office/top_10_hottest_days-01.png

Most people would regard this as signalling a climate trend. But you steadfastly refuse to do so. Why do you think that is?

BTW only 2 of the top 10 coldest days since 1960 occurred after 1990.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 7 August 2022 11:28:05 AM
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No one would bother arguing about global warming if erratic energy was viable. Erratic energy is not up to the job, hence the the hysterical vilification of fossil fuels.

Humanity can benefit from good arguments and suffer from bad. It is a shame that the entirety of the anti-nuclear argument was "It's bad! Mkay?". Thanks to garbage like that nuclear energy is forty years behind where it could be.
Posted by Fester, Sunday, 7 August 2022 11:51:47 AM
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Dear Fester,

In your first incident they lost 7 batteries from the 100,000 battery modules at the site. Far better than the earlier fire.

The second incident involved a Tesla catching fire after it had been sitting in a junk yard from being written off in a severe accident three weeks earlier.

If you are looking to make a point here I'm not sure what it is.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 7 August 2022 12:06:07 PM
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Dear Steele,

7000 or 7%. Not 7. The facility was off line from February to July I think. That is significant. And when lithium batteries catch fire they tend to stay on fire. That could make them very hazardous, especially if the car caught fire in an underground car park.

I am all for things that work. Fossil energy works. Hydro and geothermal can work. So can nuclear power. Erratic energy is yet to prove itself and seems to have many hurdles; Overcoming the hurdles, were it possible, would likely make erratic energy far more expensive than other options. I cannot fathom the enthusiasm for it.
Posted by Fester, Sunday, 7 August 2022 3:05:48 PM
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SR,

You're still talking weather and mistaking it for climate. If I was so inclined I can find plenty of WEATHER events that show unusual records but I know that wouldn't mean anything.

Also (and sit down while I tell you this) England ISN'T the world. No, really.

But just for fun -

Sydney was "the longest stretch of cold days in May 2021 in 54 years".

There have already been more white Christmas in London this century than the whole of the 20th Century.

"An Arctic air mass has engulfed practically ALL of transcontinental Russia since the beginning of December, 2020 resulting to many regions suffering their longest stretches of subzero cold on record."

But that's all weather, not climate.

Just for fun, another story..."96 percent of U.S. temperature stations used to measure climate change fail to meet what the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) considers to be “acceptable” and uncorrupted placement by its own published standards." And when they are excluded, the remaining untainted stations show no warming this century.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 7 August 2022 5:37:33 PM
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More on the GBR...http://www.aims.gov.au/monitoring-great-barrier-reef/gbr-condition-summary-2021-22

The best it's been since they started monitoring it. Thousands of jobs at risk.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 8 August 2022 10:08:17 AM
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In 2019 the Australian Institute of Marine Science
issued its long-term monitoring report on the state
of the Great Barrier Reef entitled:

"Mixed Bill of Health for the Reef." This report reflected
that while some parts of the reef were still in very poor
condition due to the aftermath of the 2016 and 2017 mass
bleaching events - some showed good signs of recovery and
others - such as many southern reefs remained in excellent
condition.

However it is pointed out that "while it is tempting to
reduce such a complex issue to simple statements such as -
"the reef is fine," or "the reef is dead," The truth is
if we want to save the world's reefs and keep them in
good condition for longer we act decisively on reducing
emissions. It's a huge effort but in the end its up to
us - working together."

There's more at the following:

http://aims.gov.au/information-centre/news-and-stories/great-barrier-reef-not-fine-and-nor-it-dying-truth-inbetween
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 8 August 2022 11:01:30 AM
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Yes, when there are die-backs on the reef, it's proof that we need to spend more money to save it.

AND when the reef is thriving, it's proof that we need to spend more money to save it.

Bottom line - keep those funds coming because there are lots of research jobs at stake.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 8 August 2022 12:17:36 PM
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Could it be that the alarmists are just the victim of scaremongering?

http://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/34c86aab8ceb1cbb79837f658ab1a0ec1ac13ff9542951c75fa5101cf96de873.jpg?w=800&h=875
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 8 August 2022 12:40:01 PM
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Yes, we know. It's all "fake news."

There's so much "scare-mongering" going on.

As the anti-vaxers, the pro-trumpeters, anti-climaters,
anti - the Voice to Parliament, and the list goes on.
After all what do the distinguished and internationally
renowned scientists and climatologists know. They merely
confirm the technical analysis that they present in their
reports. It's all about scaremongering.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 8 August 2022 1:05:22 PM
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Dear mhaze,

You wrote: “There have already been more white Christmas in London this century than the whole of the 20th Century.”

Absolute and utter rot I'm afraid, I don't even have to look that one up to know you have plucked that out of your backside.

As to your long run of May cold days in Sydney get back to me when 9 of the 10 record runs have occurred since the 1990s.

To Russia:

“The current Siberian heat has contributed to raising the world’s average temperature to the 2nd hottest on record for the period January to May. Using published scientific methods we looked at a large region spanning most of Siberia, inclusive of the area affected by the prolonged six-month heat and the town of Verkhoyansk that recorded the record daily temperature for the Arctic region. We analysed the average temperatures between January and June 2020 for the large region, as well as the hottest maximum daily temperature in June 2020 for Verkhoyansk. We found in both cases that this event would have effectively been impossible without human-induced climate change.”
http://www.worldweatherattribution.org/siberian-heatwave-of-2020-almost-impossible-without-climate-change/

Finally for you to be diving to challenge “96%” of the US data so early means you know you are on a hiding to nothing.

Give it away.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 8 August 2022 1:14:53 PM
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They're trying to scare us
We're being told
It's all a lie
That we're being sold

Listen to what we tell you
We know what it's all about
We're on the right side
Of which there is no doubt

So ignore the stuff you're being told
Believe in all of us
Believe in what we tell you
And we won't make a fuss

We can continue to pollute
It our God-given right
We don't have to change our ways
Just keep things out of sight!
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 8 August 2022 1:43:59 PM
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I have just read all the responses to my original post.
Judging by many of the comments most have not bothered to actually view the three documentaries. My main take away from these three is that we have lost three decades, where we had the opportunity to make the transition to alternative energy sources.
There is a wealth of evidence that renewables will not cut it. The real need is to reduce our demand for energy.
But there is good news. We do not have to bother with this debate. We do not have to argue about how much global warming. All the indicators point to the fact that we have already reached the point of no return. Nature will do what it always does. It does not pay any attention to our mindless chatter on this forum. Nature will have the final say - we may hasten the collapse or slow it down. But we have already reached the point of no return and so the sensible course of action is to work out how we are going to survive the collapse. For those with the inclination you might like to read this short piece: https://johnmenadue.com/theres-no-escaping-a-hothouse-earth/
Posted by BAYGON, Monday, 8 August 2022 1:54:24 PM
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SR,

"I don't even have to look that one up..."

Standard SR there. I don't want it to be true, therefore it isn't.

"...get back to me when 9 of the 10 record runs have occurred since the 1990s."

Yes I get it. When there's some hot days in England it's climate and proves we're all gunna die, but if its cold for a few days it's got nowt to do with climate.

As to Siberia, clearly sometimes it's hot and sometimes it's cold. Almost like it's cyclic or something? But as per above, if it's hot, it's climate and we're all gunna die and if it's cold, it's just the weather.

"for you to be diving to challenge “96%” of the US data..."

Not me old boy. A recent study. Want me to look it up for you? Oh and not 96% of the data, just 96% of the data stations. You won't understand the difference so you'll just hve to trust me that there is one.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 8 August 2022 2:01:26 PM
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