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More reason to lower the rainbow flag for good!

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Monkey pox spreading disproportionately among the gay community in San Francisco.
Or; They start it, the vast majority pay the price of immoral lifestyles.
Remember AIDS and HIV. Here we go again!

Quote from link below:

http://www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-san-francisco-c744e485-720d-4b12-a3b0-1c2c0622746c.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axioslocal_sanfrancisco&stream=top

*…By the numbers: San Francisco's 305 monkeypox cases as of Friday, account for nearly 40% of known cases in California.

Over 97% of those who have tested positive in SF identified as male, and over 85% identified as gay or bisexual. Of those who tested positive, 12% declined to provide sexual orientation information.
Nearly 27% identified as Latino — almost double the percentage of the city's overall Latino population. Public health officials said they are working with Latino community groups to disseminate information on resources…*

SF Gov website:
Monkey pox by numbers.

http://sf.gov/information/monkeypox-cases?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axioslocal_sanfrancisco&stream=top
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 8:43:02 PM
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HIV, now Monkey Pox courtesy of homosesexual activities. I see no reason why those of us who are lambasted and called bigots because we excercise our right to object to such behaviour should care. Homosexuals have the legal right to do as they please these days. They have to deal with the consequences.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 11:19:17 PM
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"Anyone can get monkeypox, but in the latest outbreak, the virus is predominantly spreading among gay and bisexual men. Officials noted Monday that most of the people affected reported some level of sexual activity."

"That doesn't mean the virus is sexually transmitted, but officials say it shows that prolonged skin-to-skin contact is one of the major ways monkeypox is now spreading."

"As of Monday evening, data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows 1,972 probable or confirmed monkeypox cases in the US."

CNN.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 5:38:58 AM
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CNN: the equivalent of the ABC, the Guardian and all the other screwball Marxist propaganda machines. A Monkey Pox on all their houses.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 9:48:26 AM
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The first case of Monkeypox in the current outbreak
was reported to the World Health Organisation (WHO) in May.
The person had recently returned to the UK from Nigeria.

Since then further cases have been reported in over a
dozen countries including - Israel, the US, Canada, and
Australia.

The most recent cases did not have travel links to
the countries where the disease is epidemic. Which raises
the possibility that this disease may have been spreading
silently for some time in the population before it was
detected.

The disease has now attracted a morbid interest in the
media and from the public. It's the fear of the "unknown"
the "exotic" nature and the fear of contagion that
can generate a disproportionate fear in the population.

Also this "germ panic" is probably heightened by the
off-putting visible disfigurements caused by the infection.
Also misleading information in the media and especially
in social media can further fuel public anxiety.

We need to learn lessons from the HIV/AIDS epidemic and
try to avoid stigmatising people.

The LGBTQI have suffered tremendously over the years with the
stigma attached to infectious diseases. We need to avoid
doing it again.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 11:14:22 AM
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‘…the countries where the disease is epidemic…”

The word is “endemic”.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 1:08:55 PM
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Faint hope Foxy I'm afraid. The mere sniff of something for the likes of diver dan and ttbn to hang their wilful blindness to the facts gets their pulses racing. All we can hope for is that no-one they care for gets infected.
Posted by Aries54, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 1:15:48 PM
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Dear Aries,

Many people are at the autumn of their lives.
This might be an appropriate time for some
of them to look into their souls and learn.
The goal of life is that we're supposed to
end up wiser. And more importantly - to end up kinder.
Both to themselves and everyone around them.

(Unless of course their surname happens to be Trump).
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 1:56:44 PM
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While there are good reasons to lower the rainbow flag, monkeypox is not one of them: how could raising the rainbow flag possibly make one more susceptible to monkeypox when the disease is transmitted by physical contact, not through the internet?

This data simply shows that homosexual men that were born after 1970 should get vaccinated.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 9:20:59 PM
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Dear diver dan,

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You wrote :

« Monkeypox spreading disproportionately among the gay community in San Francisco … the vast majority pay the price of immoral lifestyles »

You also kindly posted links to the source of your information but there is no mention in either of them of “the vast majority pay[ing] the price of immoral lifestyles”. That was obviously your own personal comment.
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The fact is homosexuality is a perfectly natural phenomenon, just like heterosexuality. There is no such thing in nature as ‘the norm of the heterosexual union’. Both heterosexual and homosexual unions are ‘normal’. As Petter Boeckman, a zoologist at the Norwegian Natural History Museum of the University of Oslo has pointed out: ‘No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist ... a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue.’ Boeckman observes social advantages to the free expression of homosexual behaviour and adds: ‘It has been observed that the homosexual couple are often better at raising the young than heterosexual couples.’ (source: http://pactiss.org/2011/11/17/1500-animal-species-practice-homosexuality/).

Religion historically regards homosexual sex acts as sinful, based essentially on an erroneous understanding of ‘natural law’ (the law of nature). Religious dogma is constantly proven wrong in its interpretation of nature by scientific research (e.g., Galileo’s condemnation for heresy when he declared in 1610 that the earth revolves around the sun).
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Need I add that since the revelation of the widespread practice of paedophilia by the world’s Churches and religious institutions they don’t exactly qualify as paragons of morality. If anybody should “pay the price of immoral lifestyles”, Church clergy and members of religious institutions must come on the top of the list.

Religion is certainly in no position to impose its morality on anybody. It’s not even a case of the pot calling the kettle black. It’s exactly the inverse that is true.

It’s civil society, ordinary people, condemning the Church clergy and religious institutions for their shocking immoral behaviour - and rightly so.

Who could deny it ?

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Thursday, 4 August 2022 12:11:01 AM
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Dear Banjo,

«Religion historically regards homosexual sex acts as sinful»

Not quite, not Hinduism.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 4 August 2022 12:19:41 AM
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Dear Yuyutsu,

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Many thanks for your input. I immediately looked it up on the internet and found this :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_and_LGBT_topics#:~:text=A%20number%20of%20Hindu%20texts,women%20engaging%20in%20homosexual%20acts.
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Your further comments would be appreciated.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Thursday, 4 August 2022 12:27:25 AM
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Dear Banjo,

Hinduism recognises that life has four purposes:
1) Artha - building up security through wealth, influence, health, fame, etc.
2) Kama - pleasure
3) Dharma - doing the right thing
4) Moksha - ultimate liberation

The pursuit of Moksha is rare. Dharma too for its own sake is not as common. Souls need time and practice to evolve there, lifetimes in fact before they genuinely want Dharma and Moksha, so on attaining humanhood they first seek Artha and Kama, that's the natural ladder of life, nothing wrong about it.

Sex can also be used for Dharma, when procreation is called for, but most times it is used for Kama, thus sex that is not for the sake of procreation is a particular case of seeking Kama and is not encouraged for those who seek the higher goals - not because it is wrong (assuming it does not hurt others), just because it creates a distraction from the main goal.

Homosexual activity is thus just another case of Kama. There is no reason for people who are anyway at the level of evolution where they seek Kama to abstain from that particular pleasure.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 4 August 2022 7:17:41 AM
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Homosexuality is not "perfectly natural". Sex is the natural way to procreate. It is enjoyable so that people and a animals keep procreating. Homosexuality is an unnatural perversion of nature. And no amount of warped thinking by people who are not perverts themselves, but think that they are being tolerant - when they are just being plain stupid - will alter the facts of nature one little bit.

If a few people want to, or have to, act in an unnatural manner among themselves, let them. But for heaven's sake stop talking bullshite and making excuses for them. They are going to do if anyway.

HIV, Monkey Pox, whatever pops up next, is nature's way of dealing with the unnatural.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 4 August 2022 8:55:05 AM
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In Imperial College London researchers are using
a new approach to understand why same-sex behaviour
is so common across the animal kingdom:

http://imperial.ac.uk/news/190987/scientists-explore-evolution-animal-homosexuality/#
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 4 August 2022 10:31:05 AM
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Hi Yuyutsu,

Thanks for the insight into Hinduism. I've been trying to familiarise myself with the complexities of Buddhism over the years, but have barely scratched the surface. I'm sure Hinduism, like Buddhism, is a deep and complex set of principles that one could not completely understand in a lifetime.

BTW; I find Buddhism far more complex in its philosophy, teaching and understanding than Christianity. I would think Hinduism would be the same in that respect. I recognise the terms Artha, Karma, Dharma, and Moksha as they also apply to Buddhism.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 4 August 2022 11:34:33 AM
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The point of epidemiology is to determine the transmission vectors for various diseases so that the transmission can be interrupted. For example, bird flu is most frequently transmitted between birds such as geese and chickens and the people that live with them.

The steps to halt the spread of the disease will then focus on these transmission hot spots without judgement on the farmers.

Similarly, if a particular segment of a population is a transmission hot spot, the focus should be on them without judgement.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 4 August 2022 1:00:17 PM
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if they were as lazy in the bedroom as they are at work, no deceases would spread !
Posted by Indyvidual, Thursday, 4 August 2022 6:43:16 PM
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Dear ttbn,

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You wrote :

1. « Homosexuality is not "perfectly natural" »
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According to the OED, “natural” means :

“Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind”

And as I indicated in my previous post, the Norwegian zoologist, Peter Bockman pointed out that “‘No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist”.

If you have evidence to the contrary, ttbn, perhaps you would be kind enough to share it with me.
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2. « Sex is the natural way to procreate »
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That’s correct, ttbn, but homosexuality has nothing to do with procreation. It is the attraction to and preference of persons of the same sex which may or may not include sexual acts.

Homosexuality is not “an unnatural perversion of nature” as you indicate, ttbn. The same noble sentiments of affection, love, and respect that exist in many heterosexual couples exist in many homosexual couples also. That is not a differentiating factor.

And there is at least as much sexual depravity within the heterosexual community as there is within the homosexual community. That is not a differentiating factor either.

Religious concepts of normative heterosexuality (e.g., those of the Abrahamic monotheistic religions) are derived from the belief that man and woman were created by God to complement each other. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have very similar concepts of sexuality and gender roles.

Those are our beliefs, ttbn. But they do not necessarily correspond to reality.

As I wrote in my previous post to diver dan, religious dogma is constantly proven wrong in its interpretation of nature by scientific research.

But then, as somebody observed recently (was it Donald Trump?), reality doesn't count. It's what people believe is reality that counts.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Friday, 5 August 2022 1:26:03 AM
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I think there are plenty on the Forum who are in no danger of contracting Monkey Pox from close sexual contact with anyone, male or female. Unless vague distant memories is a transmitter, then they could be in trouble!
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 5 August 2022 5:57:32 AM
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Paul you are obviously speaking from personal experience, or you would know that most old blokes still enjoy the carnal pleasures.

You & yours have my sympathy.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 5 August 2022 11:42:44 AM
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Paul,

Those also not at risk of Monkey pox are those that are married and don't sleep around.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 5 August 2022 2:43:55 PM
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For a different insight into Hinduism see worship of the Goddess Kali and how her devotees murdered innocent people, men women and children as offerings to her.

Talking to some senior police in India I was told that some unsolved murders are attributed to followers of Kali.
It’s also from her followers, the Thuggee, that we get our word ‘thug’.

Then there is Suttee, the charming Hindu practice of widows immolating themselves on their husbands funeral pyre, or being drugged and burned to death against their will.
Equally destructive, though not by death, was the Hindu practice of widows never remarrying and being forced to live apart from their families, those unfortunate to have been married as children and to have their husband die as a child, then faced a long life of widowhood and decidedly second class or lower, much lower in the social scale, but then that’s Karma.

Hinduism has some charming practices and many of them persist among the poor in both city and rural enviorenments.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 7 August 2022 8:38:16 PM
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Monkey pox spreading disproportionately among the gay community in San Francisco.
Or; They start it, the vast majority pay the price of immoral lifestyles.
Remember AIDS and HIV. Here we go again!"

I love how all the angry old men keep crying about gays.

Being gay is not immoral. Most people agree. Upholding this sort of ignorant hate is WHY the right wing is dying out.

AIDS was not just spread sexually. Monkeypox is not something you're more likely to get if you are gay. Perhaps if you could read?
Posted by The voice of reason, Monday, 8 August 2022 1:46:08 PM
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