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If not now, when?

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Foxy: "I forgot to add - that giving our First Nations people
a Voice to Parliament won't affect the rest of us."

You don't know that for sure because we simply don't know what the voice is actually going to be. The changes that have been describes to us allow the parliament to create voice in *any* fashion they desire as long as the final result is something that allows the aboriginals and TS islanders* to make representations to parliament. So it certainly could affect the rest of us.

[* well at least some anyway- they haven't even specified how the aboriginals are going to determine what to say.]
Posted by thinkabit, Saturday, 6 August 2022 4:19:37 PM
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Information has already been provided in this discussion
through the many links given, the details of what we know,
what happens next, including the referendum question and the
changes to the constitution as well as the discussion paper
on the Indigenous Voice.

It should by now be clear to everybody what's involved.
Those railing against the Voice on the basis that they need
more detail its pretty clear that they will oppose it anyway
no matter what's provided.

The model of the Voice is now what the referendum is about.
It's about ensuring that there will always be a First
Nations Voice in the centre of decision making.
That the First Nations people are recognised and respected for
their sovereignty that was never ceded or extinguished.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 6 August 2022 4:32:51 PM
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thinkabit,

Why don't you read the following:

http://fromtheheart.com.au/?gclid

http://voice.niaa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-03/indigenous-voice-discussion-paper-2_O.pdf
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 6 August 2022 4:40:03 PM
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I wonder if South Africa will boycott our sporting teams as we did theirs when we have apartheid embedded in our constitution. We white Australians stood against their anti black apartheid; will black South Africans stand against our anti white apartheid. And, apartheid is what it is: favouritism for one race, not just against whites, but against every other race in multi-racial Australia. Oh, the shame and embarrassment of it!
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 6 August 2022 4:44:17 PM
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It is spectacularly stupid of the lunatic class barrracking for this racist Voice nonsense to have ignored, or conveniently forgotten, that the head of the Voice panel, Mark Leibler, has said that, if people are given the details they will not vote for it because the details will make the whole project unacceptable.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 6 August 2022 5:46:03 PM
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As we can see from this discussion there are some
awful, toxic stuff that will be part of this debate
from people opposing the Voice to Parliament.

That's to be expected. This toxic stuff we're going to get
from those who take bad interpretations of what's happening.
We have the usual predictable behaviour from people like
One Nation supporters and their ilk - that Indigenous
Australians are receiving preferential treatment and that it's
racist against white Australians.

Their point is to convince you that the Indigenous Voice is
not worthwhile.
It is.

We need to listen to Indigenous Australians whose careful
consultation process has led them to this point:

http://voice.niaa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-03/indigenous-voice-discussion-paper_O.pdf
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 6 August 2022 7:40:24 PM
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