On Change Org there ia a petition to remove Senator Thorpe from Parliament.
Is this justified by her remarks on taking the oath/affirmation, the flag and her apparent lying to get into Parliament?

No!

The question is, CAN she or anyone else be removed for lying, breaking an oath, being disloyal, hating Australia, or pretending to be aboriginal when she is half white?

But of course she should removed if it is legally possible. Thorpe is an awful person: a disgrace to both her cultures, black and white.

I didn't know that any Australian politician
could be removed by posters simply giving their
opinions on a discussion forum. I would have
thought that for a politician to lose their seat - it
was up to their party to remove them for selection
and then it was up to the voters in their electorate
to not vote them in. As has happened to others - that
we saw during the last election.

I don't know that much about this Indigenous Senator.
From what I've read so far - she does appear to be
controversial. And gets a lot of criticism. But that
comes with the territory I would imagine, especially
for an Indigenous female who chooses not to play by
the rules.

Perhaps she'll learn how to play the game - given time.
Or her party will decide to replace her.

Anyway - we don't hear of outspoken white males having
petitions against them - despite their outspoken views
and gaffes. People like David Leyonhjelm,
Bod Katter, Barnaby Joyce, Peter Dutton,
come to mind. Pauline Hanson and Jacqui Lambie also have
made some controversial statements - right? There are as many
gaffes as there are politicians.

I say - let the party decide Lydia Thorpe's future.
If she rubs enough people the wrong way - and doesn't learn
what she needs to do - she won't last long in politics.
Especially when her own people are critical of her.

For now, I say - leave her to her own fate. Time will take
care of her and her actions.

Is Mise,

According to the link given below 94% of Australians
believe that a politician who is caught lying to the
Australian people should resign their position.

We're told that Politicians who lie, pork barrel, or
wrongly claim taxpayer money should quit, the "Australia
Talks National Survey" has revealed.

Plus, about 9 in 10 Australians also believe that the
government should establish a federal corruption watchdog.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-16/australia-talks-when-should-politicians-resign/100217170

Foxy, if what you have just stated was a reality the politician herd would be substantially thinned to the extent that we would likely no longer have a functioning government.

Dear Ttbn,

«The question is, CAN she or anyone else be removed for lying, breaking an oath, being disloyal, hating Australia, or pretending to be aboriginal when she is half white?»

I just bumped into this new thread and I have the advantage of not having the slightest clue who this Thorpe is, nor any desire to know.

It should be possible to remove a politician BY THEIR VOTERS, not by anyone else. If indeed she cheated her constituents then they should be able to replace her as their representative and any moment they are unable to do so is another dent in the illusion that Australia was a democracy.

Hey Is Mise,
I don't like her diviseness, smug attitude, hatred of the flag, attitude towards police, whinging about coal and climate change, defense of illegal immigrants, disrespect towards others in parliament or her admitted reason of being there to infiltrate.

Despite that, what really bothered me was if she lied in parliament.
I looked up the segment on 'The Project' and looked at the petition.
I had the change.org petition filled out, but thought I'd better investigate the lying to parliament issue first, and finished watching the segment first.
After watching the segment on 'The Project', the 'lying to parliament' issue was in regards to taking the oath and swearing allegiance to the Queen, which she said she had to do in order to become a member of Parliament, and I can forgive her for that one, because if I was to become an MP it wouldn't be to serve the Queen, but to serve our country.
http://twitter.com/theprojecttv/status/1539166533724823553

ttbn,
- You can't really whinge about cancel culture, and then try to cancel somebody, though if you think our duty is to the queen and not the country, I guess I could forgive and understand your position.
- But I don't agree with it, stuff the Royals.

I closed the window without signing the petition, so my answer is no.

I agree with Paul, but I'm certainly not a Greens supporter.
I largely do not support much of anything Lydia Thorpe says, but on some level I support her right to say it, even if I don't agree with it.
- And it's more than what she deserves because they would not support my right to say the things that I think, no doubt they'd be trying to cancel me.
I should've signed the damn thing just for that, but I have principles.

Further I want to point out that we don't have sovereignty anymore anyway, if we ever even did.
I don't understand why people would vote people like her in, sad state this country has become.
They call it progress, I mostly call it 'gone to shite'

Who is Lydia Thorpe, no person by that name is in the Australian parliament.

Linia Thorpe, the lead candidate for the GREENS in Victoria, scored a half a million votes. This pathetic petition at last count had 30 sigs on it. I'm glad Linia gets up the noses of the forums far right and other old farts out there. Issy your clowns from the Shooters and Hooters Party, whose crazy policy is to arm school children with loaded guns, scored less than 0.1% of the national vote, and didn't come within a bull roar in the Victorian senate race. ttbn's Hanson mob, he was spooking before the election, did just as badly.

This mob can't win at a democratic vote, they want those who have been elected, and not of their ilk, kicked out and some toady of their persuasion put in their place. Gee fellas, it ain't going to happen. GO LINIA STICK IT UP EM'.

So it would appear that some posters don’t care if MsP swear false oaths and commit perjury to get their Parliamentry salaries and perks; says a lot about their own moral standards.

Dear Critic,

«if I was to become an MP it wouldn't be to serve the Queen, but to serve our country.»

Really? so you would serve the country even if that was against the wishes of your constituents who voted for you? Would you, like the other politicians, lie to them in order to get elected only to betray them the next day?

In a democracy, it is the people, the actual people of the land who are supposed to determine their own fate, including, if necessary, to protect themselves against the state. Sadly it is not technically practical for them all to congregate in parliament building to voice their wishes, so instead they elect you to represent them - them, neither any Queen nor any country!

Yuyutsu,

"I just bumped into this new thread and I have the advantage of not having the slightest clue who this Thorpe is, nor any desire to know".

You are always so proud to proclaim your lack of knowledge and disinterest, but you keep on making making comments about everything.

AC

I don't "whinge", and I am not "cancelling" anyone. I am objecting to a person who lied under oath, admitted it, says she doesn't think of herself as an Australian, but is allowed to remain in the Australian parliament.

Grow up man!

Is Mise,

No, they don’t care because they are brainless.

Issy, you couldn't even get her name right, what else have you got WRONG!

BTW, her names is LIDIA not Lydia, at least check it out first before you make your unsubstantiated claims. Its all sour grapes with the far right mob, got their arses kicked at the election, that's twice for ttbn, and now whinging about it. LIDIA is there representing half a million Victorians who support progressive change for the better, not some old tart in England, not a flag with a symbol of murderous genocide blazoned on it, not those who want guns in the hands of children, not the racists and haters, but Australians who look to a fairer future for all. The whingers can suck on that! Half a million voted for Lidia, and 30 signatures on a so called petition.

Dear Ttbn,

«You are always so proud to proclaim your lack of knowledge and disinterest,»

In the details of political filth, imposed upon most ordinary people against our will.

«but you keep on making making comments about everything.»

Well not everything, I mainly comment where I care about following certain universal moral principles and see them broken.

«I am objecting to a person who lied under oath, admitted it, says she doesn't think of herself as an Australian, but is allowed to remain in the Australian parliament.»

I agree that lying is not right, with only very few exceptions (like telling the Nazis "there are no Jews in here"). But is it really lying when everyone is clearly aware from the start that one does not mean what they technically swear? How about openly declaring just before taking a formal oath/affirmation: "I have no intention whatsoever to follow what I am about to say in the next minute:..."? Or, "I would be lying if I said that "I A.B. do swear, etc."?

As for thinking of oneself as Australian or otherwise, what if a person who doesn't think of him/herself as an Australian was democratically elected to represent a region, a constituency where the majority of voters did not think of themselves as Australians?

Would you see this any differently if it happened in Russia or its occupied territories and an elected representative reflected the wishes of their constituents who did not think of themselves as Russian?

Hey ttbn,
Hang on a minute here...
What if I don't support the Union Jack on our flag?
What if I don't support being a colony of the British Commonwealth but support Australia for Australians?
What if I don't support butt-kissing the British royals?
What if I openly state my position and other like minded people agree with me and want to vote for me?
What if I genuinely want to do good things for OUR country and the people in it?
Should I be neutered into bowing out on principle once I get across the line because of a stupid oath to serve the wishes of some woman in England?
What if I was never there for the purposes of some silver-spooned woman in England but for the betterment and best interests of OUR nation in it's own right, voted in by other like minded Aussies?

And yes you were trying to cancel her, when you said she should be removed.
It seemed to me you were holding two contradicting positions when the other day you started a thread complaining about cancel culture.
If you hate cancel culture like I do, you don't just jump to try to cancel people on a whims.
If she had've lied in parliament about something else like her assets or business interests or people she associated with or matters of policy or travel allowances for example, then I would've been saying 'Get her outta here!!'

"doesn't think of herself as an Australian"
Well that's stupid identity politics for you, and she no-doubt supports that backwards crap.
- No wonder I don't like her.
She probably identifies as indigenous, and thinks that's something different to being an Australian, which to me means a citizen of this bloody continent.

Licking a foreigners arse isn't a prerequisite to serve the interests of OUR country.
Now go groom Her Majesty's stool, if that's your wish.
And make sure you groom it properly, not slapdash.

Hey Yuyutsu,
>>Really? so you would serve the country even if that was against the wishes of your constituents who voted for you?
Would you, like the other politicians, lie to them in order to get elected only to betray them the next day?<<

No, definitely not.
I'd stick to my campaign promises as one should.
I may change my policies if / when I run for re-election.
And if re-elected - I'd stick to those campaign promises.

>>like telling the Nazis 'there are no Jews in here'<<
"Come out Jews, the German people are your friends" Lol.
Yeah that's lying Yuyutsu, but one can understand why one might lie if in that situation.

Dear Critic,

Thank you so much for clarifying - I am proud of you...

AC

You seem to have lost control. You can think or believe anything you wish. I don't care. I don’t care because you are an individual, just like me and other posters; you are not someone who got her snout into the public trough by lying, and admitting she lied to undermine government and Australia, and its values. She is a vile person.

I believe in freedom of speech because it shows me who the idiots are. In general, no harm is done by idiots, and there should be no repercussions against any citizen no matter how stupid. But, when it comes to someone like Thorpe, paid by the public, but who has let down that public and abused her position, well, that is very different, and she should be held to account for that abuse and disloyalty.

How exactly has Senator Thorpe let down the public?

And which public exactly?

She was elected to her position. She comes from
Aboriginal ancestry so this is her country. And
if she should be sacked just for expressing an
opinion - and not being diplomatic - then there's
many others also who should be questioned.

We have many politicians who lie, pork barrel, and
wrongly claim taxpayer money. They're still in
parliament.

That's why we do need an anti-corruption commission
with teeth.

I see that the Herr Dr. Goebbels is still posting lies, perhaps that’s why he supports known liars and perjurers.

I wonder why Thoepe doesn’t use a tribal name?

Thorpe is so English.

Is Mise,

That is her family name - which she inherited.

Foxy,

Indeed it is, but does she not have a truly Australian name that she could use?
Inherited from her preferred ancestors, Thorpe is, after all, an “Invasion” name.

Yuyututsu,

I see that you’re still with us, I’d assumed that you’d left Australia as you said that you could not live in a country that has Conscription, and Australia has conscription.
Are you posting from some safe haven?

The Shooters and Hooters Victorian branch rushed out and signed Issy's petition, all 30 of them. Is that right Issy? Call me what you like, but when you make claims like you have, how about some evidence to back them up. I didn't vote for Hanson, I don't agree with her politics, but she got elected and she has the right to sit in the Federal Parliament, just like Lidia. The fact is the racists from One Nation and The Shooters were thrashed in Victoria at the Federal election, end of story. You can wave flags, kiss the arse of the Wicked Witch of Windsor all you like, but don't expect others to conform to your narrow racist view when it comes to First Nation's people. BTW have you learn how to spell the woman's name correctly yet? One more time for the dummies L_I_D_I_A.

How ridiculous, Issy's Shooters and Hooters Party have a policy of putting loaded guns in the hands of school children, Issy wants Lidia replaced with one of his unsuccessful fellow nut jobs. WOW!

Issy, 2nd August, Senate Chamber Canberra, 5.30pm, The Green's, Dave Shoebridge's maiden speech to the Parliament, did you get an invite? Drinks and finger foods after. Imagine if your mate Fat Bob had got elected, wouldn't that be a joke, finger foods, how do you get an elephant on a 'Jatz' cracker?

How about obtaining money under false pretenses, Thorpe seems to have done that and it’s a criminal offence.

All politicians who have lied and sworn false oaths/affirmations should be kicked out of Parliament.

Is Mise,

Lidia Thorpe is a proud Gunnai Gunditjmara Djab Wurrung
woman. There are only seven clans left. There used to be 70.
She is a Senator for Victoria, a Deputy Leader in the Senate.
She comes from a long line of strong black women who
taught her to stand up for what's right and never let
injustice and racism beat you down.

The Thorpe name is well known in the Aboriginal community.
Her grandmother Alma Thorpe was a renowned community
organiser who played a role in the Aboriginal Tent Embassy
in 1972 and founded the first Aboriginal Health Service
in Victoria in 1973, the year Lidia was born.

Lidia's mother is Majorie Thorpe a pre-selected Greens
federal candidate for Gippsland. In the 90s, Marjorie was
a co-commissioner for the "Bringing Them Home Stolen
Generations" inquiey and later a member of the Council
for Aboriginal Reconciliation.

Most recently Majorie was involved in the effort
to stop the destruction of culturally contested trees
on Djab Wurrung Country in Victoria's Western District.

Lidia's uncle is Robbie Thorpe, who's closely linked to
the struggle for Aboriginal self-determination.

So perhaps now you will understand why retaining the
Thorpe name means so much. Lidia had no choice in being
influenced by her black activist family and the black
struggle of her people. She was born into it and she doesn't
know anything else.

As I told mhaze, We can't solve our problems with the same
thinking we used when we created them.

Think higher, feel deeper.

Foxy,

Nothing to say about obtaining money under false pretences?
Nothing to say about perjury?

Thorpe is a dyed in the wool pommy name, one would think that any Aboriginal activist, who doesn’t recognize Australia would have gotten rid of it long ago.

Contrast Thorpe with Oodgeroo Noonuccal (Kath Walker), she was an Aboriginal activist, a poet, an author and a lady and I was proud to call her my friend.
She worked tirelessly for her people and was proud to be an Aboriginal and an Australian, she never hesitated to swear allegiance to King and Country and served in the AWAS in WWII,
Her two brothers also served and saw active service ln Malaya before spending the rest of the war as prisoners of the Japanese.

Is Mise,

There are many Aboriginal activists who see no need
to change their names and have their own reasons for
keeping the family name. You're thinking from a
white-man's point of view.

I am familiar with Kath Walker. I know her poetry.
BTW - she changed her name to Oodgeroo of the
Noonuccal tribe in protest of the Australian
Bicentennial celebration. In the same year she
returned her MBE to the Queensland Governor
stating that Aboriginal Australians had very
little to celebrate.

Foxy
so ?

How about the false pretences and perjury?

All this because she swore an other to the queen who lives on the other side of the planet?
And because she stands with aboriginals?

I don't like Lidia Thorpe or her attitude, but some of you lot are acting like kindy kids.

I doubt whether even half of this country would stand with the Queens interests ahead of Australia's interests if forced to choose between the two.
This whole thing is pretty silly.

Is Mise,

I am in no position to judge Lidia Thorpe.
I am from a totally different background
with totally different experiences. I cannot
begin to imagine what her people have gone
through and what they have experienced.
Therefore I am in no position to judge her
behaviour. All I can do is try to understand
and support what she is trying to achieve
for her people and for her electorate.

I suggest that you as a white man try to do
the same.

Foxy
One of my great grandfathers was taken out, from his house in Cork, ireland and shot (murdered in front of his wife and children, which included my grandfather, who told me of the horror of it all.
Various other ancestors suffered at the hands of the English in Ireland and Scotland.
A cousin , in fact a double cousin, was wounded in action in Ulster and died of his wounds and a very good friend was murdered by the Royal Ulster Constabulary.

None the less I support the Monarchy and the form of Government that we have, because it’s a good system and works better than most other systems and so I consider any who would undermine it to be traitors.

If you can’t judge Thorpe by her actions then we must assume that you condone lying under oath, lying in general, lying to get a job and the false pretense offence of lying for gain.

Just as Issy is opposed to an Aboriginal voice TO parliament, he is also opposed to an Aboriginal voice IN parliament. As far as I am aware Issy's Shooters Party has no black members, the rule is whites only, preferably old Anglo males. In Victoria the Shooters Party actually stood a female candidate (how progressive) for the Senate, she scored a personal vote of 433 (must have a large family), whilst Lidia for the Greens received over half a million votes.

Issy, can't win a democratic election, so your mob want to sneak in the back door! It ain't goner happen! Hasta la vista, baby!

BTW, it is reported that Fat Elephant Bob for the Shooters and Hooters Party lied to the NSW Parliament, and to the people and to her majesty, and to Price Charles, and to anyone else of royal blood, and to the flag. He calmed that on a trip to Africa where he shot and killed a defenceless elephant, he ate the entire beast in one sitting. We know Fat Bob is capable of eating a whole hippo in one meal, he eats hippos for breakfast, but an ELEPHANT! Me thinks not, Fat Elephant Bob lied to the people, and to her majesty, and to Prince Charles, and to anyone else of royal blood, and to the flag. Issy start another petition, titled; "Lets Get Rid of Fat Elephant Bob" I say we should feed him to the lions, and replace him in the parliament with a chimpanzee of equal intelligence!

Issy, what a beat up!

Lidia got the job by being voted in by half a million people, no other way, its only sour grapes on your part, you mob didn't win, and the 30 petitioners, how pathetic.

As for all your rellos dying for Ireland, they fought for what they believed in, so is Lidia.

Seems from what the liar above says that there are indeed half a million fools in Victoria, if he can be believed.

Is Mise,

My family also suffered greatly. In their case from the
Soviet regime. However that's where our similarity ends.
I would never ever support that blood-stained regime.
And it explains my support of Ukraine. I stand by what
I believe in and as Paul pointed out - so does Lidia
Thorpe.

I do not agree with your take on her.

I do not believe she is fighting for personal gain - but
for justice for her people.

I shall not be signing any petition
to oust her out of parliament.

Issy,

You and the other crackpots that signed that pathetic petition are not concerned about Lidia and her behaviour, but rather what she represents. You are not interested in democracy, all you want is a non-elected toady of your far right persuasion in parliament. Top of your agenda is Shooters Party policy of, loaded guns in the hands of children!

Sigh!

Is Mise,

Cheer up.

Australians might muddle through things but
eventually they get it right in the end.

We, the people, employ Thorpe.
It’s usual for employers when an employee lies to get a job, to sack the lying employee.
Seems that there are people who don’t mind having known lying employees.

Is Mise,

Not in a case where the employer has stolen the
land from the employee and then expects the
employee to work for the crumbs he gives them.
It becomes a moral issue as well as a legal one.

She doesn’t mind taking the cash that’s provided by the”oppressive” nation.
Lying to get money is false pretenses.

Is Mise,

Do you expect her to work for nothing like
her ancestors did?

Hopefully those days are over.

And with her in Parliament - other conditions just
may also improve for her people.

Who posted the topic of this thread? ought to apologize for getting the spelling wrong!

Foxy,

I’d expect any person of integrity to announce before the election that they would not swear allegiance and thus would not be in Parliament, that a vote for them would be a protest vote only.
I would expect all avowed Republicans to do the same, just as Irish Republicans did and as Irish Republicans still do in Northern Ireland, although there they sit in Parliament but receive no pay.

Josephus.

The spelling is not wrong per se, it is the majority spelling, Lidia is a minority alternative’ however I apologise in proportion to the harm caused.

Foxy,
A while back you mentioned Pat Dodson; isn’t he the bloke that was never taught to take his hat off when inside?

Issy,

Hitler became supreme leader of Germany, there's hope for your mob yet.

Is Mise,

As I stated earlier - I do not agree with you
opinions.

Is Mise,

Just a few more points:

It's not polite to not call a person by their chosen
name. Her name is Lidia Thorpe. And you should have the
good manners to refer to her correctly - no matter how many
versions of that name there may be. Respect her choice
of name seeing as you're so interested in "correct"
behaviour."

Talking about "correct behaviour" and hats?

In the House of Representatives - no hats are allowed.

However in the Senate - it's not a rule. In 1988
Federation-era rules governing headwear were abolished
as a "relic" of their times.

So Patrick Dodson - can wear his hat.

Bob Katter - who loves his hats can't because he's in the
House of Reps.

As for your banging on about Lidia Thorpe's lying et cetera?

How many white politicians who favour a republic over a
constitutional monarchy (the former PM - Malcolm Turnbull)
weren't/ aren't labelled as liars when they
swore/swear allegiance to the Queen?

Seems a bit selective and hypocritical.

Foxy,
I gave a qualified apology for spelling Thorpe’s name wrongly and I didn’t even ask that she apologize for insulting my country, my country’s flag and my fellow citizens.

Malcolm Turnbull is a liar and a perjurer as are all politicians who swear allegiance but don’t mean it, in his case it’s even worse because he didn’t need the money.

People who lie to Centrelink to get money are prosecuted, why not a politician who also lies to get money?

Is Mise,

Lidia got elected to her position by both her party and
her electorate. The position came with a salary for which
she works. She obeyed the rules that were required to
get into office. As many of us do - to get our jobs.
The fact that she disclosed her feelings towards (according
to her) - a foreign power what invaded her country so that
she can help her people finally achieve their rights -
is in my opinion - totally understandable.

The fact that you choose not to understand says more about
you then it does about her. And as I stated earlier - there
are many politicians who have not told the truth as she did -
to get their jobs. Why single her out?

It seems that you'll defend the empire no matter what.
Yet you're not interested in who the next British PM
will be?

You've painted yourself into a corner old chap.

Is Mise,

BTW: Regarding your so called "apology" to getting
Lidia Thorpe's name wrong?

You only apologised after Josephus pointed the fact
out to you on page 8, and even then you made excuses
for yourself as to how it really wasn't wrong.

Pot - kettle - black.

Hi Foxy,

Issy didn't apologise when I pointed out his name abuse of Lidia. I said if you can't get the name right, what else have you got wrong.

Getting endorsement from the Greens membership for Senate nomination is very difficult, it involves attending exhaustive grass roots meetings all over the State, at your expense, delving your credentials for the job, your objectives and reasons why you deserve the nomination from the membership and answering some very tough questions from them. Then there is an online voting process by the membership to get through. The last one I was involved in had about 20 nominations to begin with, thankfully my number one choice got up. and she now sits in the Australian Senate as a NSW Senator.

Maybe Issy can outline the process for Senate nomination in his Shooters and Hooters Party. Claims he was a founding member of that mob. Maybe whose got the biggest gun get the top pick!

Hi Paul,

What Is Mise can't seem to understand is that Lidia
Thorpe did not lie to the Australian people - to
her constituents. She simply was honest enough to
reject the system that did so much harm to her people.

She comes from long line of strong black women who
taught her to stand up for what's right and never let injustice
and racism beat you down.

As activist Kath Walker did by changing her name to
Oolgoroo of the Noonuccal tribe in protest of the
Australian Bicentennial celebration. And, in the same
year Walker returned her MBE to the Queensland Governor
stating that Aboriginal Australia had very little to
celebrate after 200 years of white settlement.

And yet Is Mise wants Aboriginal people to pay homage
to their invaders and sincerely pledge their allegiance
to them?

See you on another discussion.

Is Mise merely wants politicians to refuse to swear the oath when they are elected, if they don’t intend to be true to their sworn word then they are liars and perjurers.

If you think that swearing a false oath is honourable then try and explain to the rest of us why you so think.

Reference Dodson always wearing his hat indoors there may be a cultural reason, perhaps the black hat is traditional.

Taking the cash is shameful regardless of taking/keeping oaths.
Since candidates serve their voters, it is their voters who should pay for their services.

In any case, it is so important that the representative of a region is able to enter a parliament to demand without fear: "LET MY PEOPLE GO"!

Is Mise,

When the Soviet Regime occupied Lithuania the Military
Academy graduates were asked to pledge allegiance to
the Soviet Regime before they were allowed to graduate.
They en masse refused because their allegiance was to
their country and her people. They were the last class
of that Academy - and of course they were not allowed
to graduate by the occupying force.

However whenever these guys appeared in public - they
were given the full salute as a sign of respect by
other previous graduates. Who fully understand the
significance of what this last class had done.

I can't explain it any better for you. If you don't
understand - you don't understand.

It would be like the graduates of Duntroon would be
asked to pledge allegiance to China if China was an occupying
force in our country. I doubt if the graduates would do that
here.

Lidia Thorpe is a self-entitled mostly white poser who represents herself, not the aboriginal people. She is perfect for the virtue-signalling Greens and will ensure they maintain their minor party status for this century.

Wearing a hat indoors was always a no-no when most men wore hats. Then, youngsters started to wear head gear as a fad, not to keep their heads warm or the sun off. Now they wear them at the table, chewing with their mouths open.

Wearing a hat inside makes Dodson just another rude, ignorant man

On the day the ship was sinking, 21st May 2022, Morrison knowing all was lost, went against ESTABLISHED CONVENTION and attempted to influence public servants to play his dirty brand of politics, and falsely claim massive numbers of illegal boats were about to land in Australia. How low can a grubby politician like ScumO' get!

SM, where ScumO' these days?

Foxy

Of course I understand and I admire them for their stance; which is exactly what I’ve been saying, principles first; welcome abord.

Talking about hats?

All in all hat etiquette comes down to what some view
as proper and polite but just as with any other
etiquette discussion those hat rules can be subjective
in different situations, depending on different people,
cultures, and belifs.

Hats are allowed in our Senate but not in our House of Reps.
Therefore Patrick Dodson can wear his hat in the Senate.
Katter can't in the House of Reps.

And of course we all know that hats are always welcome in
the Melbourne Cup, the Kentucky Derby, and Ascot. The
bigger, the better.

The Queen loves her hats but prefers tiaras for evening and
more formal occasions of course.

Is Mise,

Well, we seem to have been talking at cross-purposes .
If you do mean - "principles first," then you must admire
Lidia Thorpe for standing by her principles.
I'm pleased that we can finally see eye-to-eye.

Issy,

When are you going to tell us how a candidate gets to be nominated by your Shooters and Hooters Party.

Is it whose fastest on the draw at ten paces.

Thorpe certainly stands by her principal, and I don’t mean her old schools Head Master.

Is Mise,

To paraphrase Groucho Marx:

"These are Lidia Thorpe's principles,
and if you don't like them, well
she has others.

Foxy,
If you can’t see the difference between Cadets who gave up their careers rather than swear a false oath and Thorpe who swore a false oath to further her career then your education has been wasted and to quote a well known poster on OLO, see you on another thread.

Is Mise,

I have no control over what you choose and want to believe.
I'd like to agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.

Lidia Thorpe did not take an oath to further her career.

See above.

Paul,

Where's Adam Bum Bandit? I haven't heard from that grub for a while.

SM,

Adam is working hard for the people of Australia, as are all Green MP's, unlike Constable Clod, aka Dud Dutton, who upon receiving the poison chalice of Liberal Party leader, immediately took a two month overseas holiday! Talk about a sense of entitlement, Duds a classic. Anyway he'll be gone within 18 months.

Is Mise,

Lidia Thorpe did not take an oath to further her career.

shadowminister,

You do belong in the shadows. Your reference to Lidia
Thorpe here is really appalling behaviour.
It's bordering on abuse, intimidation and libel.
You could be sued.

Foxy,
Then why did she take it?

Issy,

Why does your Shooters and Hooters Party take money from the American NRA?

Foxy,

Wind your neck in. Your deeply partisan acceptance of Paul's abuse and defamatory lies and your casual regurgitation of fabricated BS from a far-left polemicist that has been caught out frequently deliberately lying shows your complete lack of morals.

Paul, never lie, Paul speak truth, without fear or favour! Well almost. Unlike you SM I freely admit I am biased in favour of the Progressive side of politics. Come on, be fair, Foxy is easily the most centralist poster on here, touched with a progressive attitude, whilst holding some conservative sentiments as well. She's always being attacked here from the crusty old farts for her liberal opinions. If it was a contest as to who is most typical in reflecting the majority Australian opinion, Foxy wins hands down.

At the election this time round, it was a big win for the Progressives, so we can "bask in the sun" for the time being. Although I must say there are plenty of big black storm clouds on the horizon. You'll have your days, but not now.

The right will always go after the Greens, and attack any way they can. Certainly they love race baiting. All this does is remind people they hate democracy, and fairness, and morality. Let them be, they can't change anything.

shadowminister,

You've crossed the lin with your reference to a Senator
by a sexually transmitted disease. Lidia Thorpe certainly
did not deserve what you called her. It was totally
appalling behaviour. Totally repugnant!

I would appreciate your not posting to me ever again.
You've sunk so low - I want nothing to do with a poster
of your calibre.

Thank You.

Paul always lies, Paul speaks bollocks with huge bias.

You just can't help it. That I have frequently declared that I am conservative makes your last post also lie.

As for the centre, Foxy is not even vaguely centrist, if anything she lurks at the left end of Labor and has very seldom posted anything that could be considered fiscally or politically conservative.

That you think that the Chinese communist party is doing a good job is scary.

Foxy,

I will continue to address the threads and posts in the forum even the liars and trolls. You can choose to do so or not.

Why do bum and Clam take money from the thugs at the CFMEU?

Whey does the Liberal Party keep taking money from Big Oil, Big Coal and Big Drugs?

Why do Labor and the greens keep taking money from thugs and crooks?

Much more interesting: three cheers for the seven rugby players who refused to wear rainbow jumpers; and inflation looks like hitting 8%.

More important again than Green wackjobs is Nancy Pelosi's coming trip to Taiwan, putting it right up the CCP. Big adventure for the 80 year old.

Thorpe is a shocking hypocrite, calling Pauline Hanson a racist and 'disrespectful' because she walked out to escape the aboriginal blather that the Socialist government has forced on parliament.

Thorpe's own disrespect for the parliament, Australia and Australians precludes her from judging others. She is too stupid to see that, of course.

The Greens are a blight on government, the country and the population.

Racism is always a blight on the country, and Hanson unloads it in bucket fulls!

ttbn, those you voted for failed miserably, totally rejected by the electorate, now you want an elected Senator thrown out of parliament because she doesn't fit in with your far right extremist views. Unlike you, I don't agree with Hanson's brand of politics, but she got elected and in parliament she rightly stays.

Paul,

The greens are also deeply racist.

With a sensible voting system, we would not be plagued by the Greens at all. They received only 10.4% of the primary vote. The "best vote yet" was a miserable increase of 0.17%

Dear Ttbn,

I don't think that anyone can suspect me of supporting the Greens and their policies, but with a sensible voting system, the Greens would take 10.4% of parliament seats as they represent 10.4% of the people of Australia.

Hi Yuyutsu,

That's 16 seats out of 151 we have 4 lower house seats. The big two are extremely advantaged in seat numbers, given the low percentage of primary votes they receive. The Greens were a major contributor to Labor's victory through the preferential voting system. Nationally the Greens represent about 2 million voters.

All that ttbn is banging on about is his idea of democracy, which is a one party state where only those of his ilk are represented. I said before I don't agree with Hanson's politics, and I wouldn't vote for her, or her fascists party, but she got elected and her and her bile has every right to sit in the Senate.

Max, put me down for a couple of thousand litres, it looks like a good replacement for my brekky juice in the mornings.