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The Voice …. Plus 70 Other Quangos
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Posted by ttbn, Monday, 18 July 2022 9:23:22 AM
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http://www.un.org/development/desa/indigenouspeoples/declaration-on-the-rights-of-indigenous-peoples.html
Just another organisation meant to tie our governments down with international treaties. Likely also provides a context for access to nations, financing opposition and overthrows of existing governments. - All under the cover of 'good intentions' http://www.usaid.gov/environmental-policy-roadmap/indigenous-peoples http://www.cfr.org/article/reorganizing-us-promotion-democracy-and-human-rights http://www.telesurenglish.net/analysis/National-Endowment-for-Destabilization-CIA-Funds-for-Latin-America-in-2018-20190403-0042.html Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 18 July 2022 10:29:19 AM
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I can't believe that there are still people in this
country who don't see the vital importance of giving Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander people a say in the laws and policies that impact them. Australia has seen over 2 centuries of failed policies directed towards Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, policies created from governments without enough engagement from our native people who are directly affected by them. Our native people deserve a fair go and a voice to Parliament would ensure that a Voice can tackle the challenges and deliver fairness and equality in Australian society. All they are asking is to be able to advise Parliament on policies that affect them. Parliament will decide what they will or will not legislate. Also the details will be worked out. This is merely a small but worthy step of recognition. The following link explains more: http://www.fromtheheart.com.au/why-does-the-voice-matter/? Posted by Foxy, Monday, 18 July 2022 11:07:31 AM
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If Aboriginals have a right to a “Voice to Parliament” then so do the Irish, Scots, Welsh, English, Indians, French, Germans, Spanish etc., etc.
Parliament needs to know what people want and to be advised on those different wants. . .hang on, isn’t that what we have elected representatives for? Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 18 July 2022 11:27:53 AM
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Is Mise,
Yes, that's why we have representatives, and now representation by the group in question far outweighs their presence in the population, percentage wise. But, close-the-gap activists don't really want the so-called gap closed because it would mean the loss of money and perks. There is a feeling that the Blacktivists and their white useless idiots don't want the Voice, either. All the last gabfest came up with under election-losing Minister Wyatt was a name-change. Posted by ttbn, Monday, 18 July 2022 11:49:05 AM
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I don't know what legislative changes don't affect aborigines. All to be argued after the event. I see a lawyers picnic for the next century should this and treaty get up.
The silent majority wants the Australia Project to continue as it has. No matter how we or our ancestors got here, be it by land-bridge, sea, or air, we should not be distinguished in the constitution by race. There are land-rights, native-title and closing-the-gap measures to deliver the needs of aborigines, besides many assistance measures. All racist inclusions in the constitution should be removed, not more added. Government media institutions are softening up the public for change, along with all manner of acknowledgements, in private and public institutions, that the white-fella is an interloper. Let's see how it rolls once the Voice campaign is on in earnest. Whatever the people decide, I will live with. That's democracy. There is Australia the continent and Australia the project. Are we really saying that the 350,000 or so aborigines that populated this continent 250 years ago, and their full and partial progeny, should be put into a position to be able hold up the progress of the project? Posted by Luciferase, Monday, 18 July 2022 11:53:01 AM
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These organisations all have "flashy websites", all funded by you. The organisations are almost "completely ineffective", and they are free of any independent cost-benefit analysis.
On top of these quangos, we now have a call for a Voice to Parliament, which the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs, Linda Burney, says we don’t need to know the details of - just vote for it, and all the important stuff that we don't need to know about can be decided later. Amazing! And the ABC claims that 73% of all Australians are in favour of something they know nothing about.
If 73% of people really think that a Voice sans any details, on top of the existing 70 other bodies will offer "better guidance to politicians and bureaucrats", then we are looking at a "fantasy" that exists only in the minds of people with opinions "based on ideology rather than evidence".
The Voice is a "mad scheme" that no one can give a clear explanation of how it will work in a way acceptable to all parties".
The "wokerati" are adamant that there is a need for an aboriginal-only Voice to Parliament, but "no two of the advocates" can agree on how it will work, and how it will be different from the other 70 groups already supposed to be advising our parliaments on aboriginal policy.
And why aren't the relevant ministers paid very well to do so, not liaising with aboriginal groups already advising parliaments.