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Tossing in a 'link' to what are just opinions is pretty desperate, and does nothing to bolster the yes case. Hopefully, if the identity politicians and race botherers ever get around to asking the question via a referendum, the answer will be a big no.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 18 July 2022 11:55:03 AM
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Dear Foxy
I support the idea of a voice in principle, but I also think we should know the detail of how it will work before we vote on it. Questions such as who is eligible to stand, how are they to be chosen and by whom, how and how often will they be replaced, what issues will they consider, and how are their views to influence government policy are likely to be difficult and fraught. But if they are not resolved before the referendum, there is a real chance that people will be unwilling to vote for it. Posted by Rhian, Monday, 18 July 2022 1:16:32 PM
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Hi Foxy,
"I can't believe that there are still people in this country who don't see the vital importance of giving Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander people a say in the laws and policies that impact them." I don't have a problem with aboriginal people telling us how they feel or contributing to the development of policies that will lead to better outcomes for themselves. But you misunderstand my issue of seemingly good things done for nefarious purposes and the promotion of things that divide us instead of things that unite us. That said, it seems to me that indigenous people have a kind of mass PTSD, in that it wouldn't matter what we did, they would still be angry at us. They think we need to pay them rent and restitution and for that, they would still hold issue with us. The UN isn't their saviour, the UN will just send more immigrants and make them more of a minority. And truthfully, I'd probably prefer the indigenous to a lot of other foreigners who cant even speak english. Just an excuse for more unelected bureaucrats and NGOs Lowering the unemployment rate by getting five people to do the job of one, at taxpayer expense. Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 18 July 2022 2:03:06 PM
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Hi Rhian,
The details of the design of the Voice would be determined by Parliament. The Voice to Parliament is a common feature in many liberal democracies around the world. It is a simple proposition that Indigenous people should have a say in the laws and policies that affect their lives and communities. As Prof. Megan Davis explains: The idea is that if you have direct Indigenous input into laws and policy making the quality of advice will be vastly better than contemporary decision making which is primarily done by non-Indigenous people making decisions about communities they have never visited and people they do not know. That's why so many communities are not flourishing. This is why so many Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people are struggling. The decisions made about their lives are crafted by people in Canberra or other big cities. The ABC's Vote Compass found 73% of Australians agree the Constitution should be amended to establish a Voice to Parliament. That was up from 66% in 2019. Australians are showing that they are ready to accept the Uluru statement's invitation to walk with the First Nations People in a movement for a better future. Now it is up to our nation's leaders to finally catch up. Much has been written on this subject and can be found on the web. If you have the time - it would be definitely worth looking at and then making up your own mind. Megan Davis is the Pro Vice-Chancellor - Indigenous of the University of New South Wales, where she is also Professor of Law and the Balnaves Chair of Constitutional Law. She is a Cobble Cobble woman and a renowned Constitutional lawyer and law expert focusing on advancing for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. The following link is worth a read: http://www.abc.net.au/religion/megan-davis-voice-to-parliament-our-plea-to-be-heard/11300474 Posted by Foxy, Monday, 18 July 2022 2:09:35 PM
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Hi AC,
I can only rely on the information provided by people who are knowledgeable on these issues. And what is being advocated does logically make sense. What has been done to date has not worked. And trying a new approach just might help. Especially as this is an approach that our First Nations People are themselves asking for. A great deal of fuss was made about same-sex marriage and yet - Australians made their decision. I'm sure that they will also do the same - regarding the Voice to Parliament. Posted by Foxy, Monday, 18 July 2022 2:20:08 PM
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Dear Foxy
Thank you for the link – very interesting. I agree with pretty much everything in the article and would have been one of the 73% had I been in the ABS’s sample. I think the key statement in Professor Davis’ article is this one: “The task ahead now is to agree to the amount of detail that is required for Australians to feel fully informed when voting at the ballot box.” I fear there is a risk of trying to leave important but difficult issues unresolved until after the referendum, and that this may backfire. Posted by Rhian, Monday, 18 July 2022 2:28:03 PM
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