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?Surreptitious spying by your local Council garbage truck?

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http://www.zdnet.com/article/iot-garbage-trucks-to-detect-road-repairs-in-swinburne-led-5g-research-project/?ftag=TRE-03-10aaa6b&bhid=%7B%24external_id%7D&mid=%7B%24MESSAGE_ID%7D&cid=%7B%24contact_id%7D&eh=%7B%24CF_emailHash%7D

Are your rights further eroded by camera technology attached to garbage collection trucks?
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 9 February 2022 8:48:13 AM
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diver dan,
It's not our rights being eroded, it's our wrongs being addressed !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 9 February 2022 9:10:11 AM
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Hi Dan,

No. My rights are not being invaded by technology -
not in this case when technology is being used
to improve my lot by detecting the existing
problems in my surroundings and hopefully
correcting them.

Great innovative idea. Go Swinburne Uni -
great innovation! Forward thinking Council!
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 9 February 2022 9:16:59 AM
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I don't see how videoing repairwork that needs doing could be turned into spying. But, I don't believe that this piece of expensive technology will mean that repairs will be done more often than they are now. It is clear that the people coming up with this nonsense don't have enough to do; are paid too much for doing very little, and rates should be reduced if this is the way they carry on. Ratepayers should be making their feelings known - but they will not, most of them not even bothering to vote at council elections.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 9 February 2022 9:41:45 AM
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Anything & anyone can be utilised for spying if the mentality & stupidity align with the planets !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 9 February 2022 11:02:21 AM
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Diver Dan said "Are your rights further eroded by camera technology attached to garbage collection trucks?"

Answer- I support your implied vigilance against surveillance- it seems pretty prevalent- and doesn't seem to have a mandate in many cases.

I agree we should be reducing the amount and scope of government surveillance.

It's my understanding that governments already have video footage of roads but Swinburne University appears to be refining and standardizing it into a commercial product- usually the cameras as mounted so that they are focused on the road. In this case "two" cameras are used for the stereo/ 3D vision effect. The good thing about mounting the cameras to garbage trucks means costs are kept lower as a specialized vehicle is not required- and the footage is updated weekly.

* As long as they are only surveilling assets for which they are responsible for I'm cautiously supportive.

I'm sure such technology could be used for other more nefarious purposes.

Other concerning camera technologies...
Google Map Street View is probably more invasive of privacy than this.
Other fixed public cameras that observe cars along roads.
Traffic cameras
Body cams

It's been said that London has the highest surveillance of any city in the world.

In a parochial community- every person is the surveillance system- they generally only have to worry about strangers. In a cosmopolitan community everyone is a stranger. To me the problem could be strangers in our communities.
Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 10 February 2022 2:40:02 AM
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There are two views of this subject: The classic view which has no intrigue attached to it.
The following link from the Mildura Council protocol for identification of road damage and hierarchy of repair.

http://www.mildura.vic.gov.au/files/assets/public/document-resources/council/about-council/council-plans-amp-strategies/road-inspection-guidance-manual.pdf

Then there is the conspiratorial view of the nefarious use of camera technology for spying on individuals in their daily law abiding travels.

I think it is best practice to be aware of how camera surveillance is misused and what to do about it. It can be costly.
The camera technology used in the garbage truck instance is 5G IoT interfaced. Not only does this particular application stream live information to a central point in Council offices, it can also open up vulnerabilities which increase the likelihood of hackers implanting ransomware for example, which actually increase costs to ratepayers.
But that is an aside.

Camera technology is invasive to privacy, and my view is we need to be aware of its misuse.

Camera technology on private drones is an increasing invasion of privacy, and has little useful control over who operates them, and policing existing prohibition on flight paths.

You should be aware of these invasions and the ramifications.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 10 February 2022 6:19:02 AM
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When I was a kid we didn't need electronic surveillance, we had old Nellie at number 6. "That floozy in number 10, she's had two men callers this week, I tell you something going on in there...do you know Mr Smith's washing been on the line for three days, I think hubby's hitting the bottle again, poor Mrs Smith ...not that I mind anyone's business, I kept to myself, I wouldn't know what happens in this street, keep to myself, mums the word with me"
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 10 February 2022 7:39:08 AM
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Dan,

It is always good talk about surveillance. Last night I read a piece indicating that the Liberal Party is going to come up with a Bill that will enable most aspects of our lives to be spied on. The Liberal Party! No details yet. Most of the serfs wouldn't be interested anyway. But, there is no doubt that Australia is rooted. So are Australians because they are simply not interested.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 10 February 2022 8:19:22 AM
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A classic issue with government spying "who watches the watchers".

Very concerning about the prospect of Liberal Party spying- but this isn't coming from them- it's what they think will lead to better law and order outcomes- but it won't- the essential reason in my view for the law and order issues is the division caused by multiculturalism- and the economic liberals (industrialists) are never going to undermine their cheap labour- and the Labor party isn't going to stop cheap labour either and back up the workers- because since Marcuse it's all about the minorities- Tabula Rasa- Blank Slatism
Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 10 February 2022 8:51:43 AM
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Now of course you will all be interested in your social credit score.
Put too much unrecyclable in the bin and you will lose 2 points.
Isn't that the system in China ? Wouldn't do that here, would they ?
No, but when you go to the service station to fill your car you find
the pump stops at half full !
Screen on pump says your social credit system has stopped the pump.
You have reached your 43% rate this month.
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 10 February 2022 10:59:59 AM
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Camera technology:

Wearing a virtual pilot headset, I recently flew a high tech drone through a bunch of gum trees at 100klm an hour, flew it at that speed to a Kim high (1.000M) to watch the sunset over the town with perfectly transmitted video, descended it to 100 odd meters for a fly over the Main Street of town 3klm away, which gave me a perfect view of the stragglers in the street, and flew it back home to land at my feet.

Nothing is sacred.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 10 February 2022 11:23:48 AM
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Diver Dan

I'd list all the drone flying rules you just broke, however I cant be bothered typing that much info.
Your last post was a strange follow up to your earlier post warning us of the surveillance capability of drones
Posted by ViolentEntropy, Thursday, 10 February 2022 12:39:21 PM
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What we need is more neighborhood snoops. Remember Neighborhood Watch. I caught the old bloke next door putting rubbish in my Otto Bin. I called Crime Stoppers at 2am, said there was an intruder next door. Six big coppers burst in and bashed the old bloke senseless. Crime its everywhere, even in your Otto Bin.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 10 February 2022 3:22:29 PM
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With camera technology and their intrusions on our lives, I think we are the frog half boiled.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 11 February 2022 7:41:13 AM
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Was at DFC, Digusting Fried Chook in the shopping centre the other day. Wife commented on the number of cameras in such a small area, I counted 6. She said they are watching for robbers. I said yes true, but the primary objective is watching the kids behind the counter, how they work, and for any light fingered chook lifting, free chook for the mates.

The granddaughter has a school holiday job, packing orders in a warehouse for a clothing retailer. They will come down from the office and say; "You're only at 87% efficiency, we have it on camera, work faster." HUMAN ROBOTS.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 11 February 2022 8:08:17 AM
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In the UK some counties are using spy cameras inside garbage trucks. Some have up to 5 bins for different recyclables, & the cameras are to catch anyone putting the wrong rubbish in the wrong rubbish bin. Just leaving a coloured top on a bottle attracts a fine.

I guess they are trying to recoup some of the drastic amount of money wasted on useless recycling schemes, & generating some employment in otherwise totally jobless districts.

Such rot will be coming to a shire near you soon, starting probably in Melbourne, the home of stupidity in Oz.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 12 February 2022 12:07:27 PM
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That is what recycling is all about. you have had years to get it right. You monin old drake
Posted by Riely, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 6:27:01 PM
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