In my view we should still be celebrating Australia Day 26 Jan- not International Holocaust Remembrance Day 27 Jan.

It's interesting that China appears to be a soft target for Hebrew politics and lobbying.

It's also interesting to see Hebrew politics (also Communist/ Gay/ and even Chinese politics) playing out subtly through popular media (TV and Movies)- through disproportionate revisionist projective history/ identity/ morality- etc. You start to understand why they banned western movies under the Afghani-Taliban government. Even in the west they've said "TV rots the brain". It's rare these days to watch a TV episode and not see signs of thought manipulation and brain-washing.

Foxy talked about principles- Well Saul Alinsky in book 'Rules for Radicals' says that communists should hold the enemy accountable for their own principles.

In my view one should never let ones actions be dictated by the opposition or enemy- one needs to decide for oneself where to apply what principles- don't try to argue with the enemy it's pointless to try and change them- let your glory shine- and talk to the people- like Jesus did.

http://biblemythhistory.com/are-the-arabs-a-semitic-people/

As far as the Ancient Greek's being anti-semitic (anti-Jewish?)- it probably depends on how you define semitic- pre-Jerusalem's destruction- the Greek's were effectively the guardian's of Europe protecting the "Hot Gates"- The Persian's had a view that was pretty racist against Europeans too. They slaughtered many Greeks.

We'd need to look at the circumstances where Greek's and Jews interacted. I guess you could loosely say that Alexander the Great was Greek and he conducted certain policies against the Jewish culture amongst others. Alexander's campaigns could have been a reaction against Persian aggression- perhaps even Philips death was a Persian plot- maybe mhaze can provide some direction here.

I can understand that Hebrew's have "a bee in their bonnet" but that doesn't mean that everyone should be executed for not taking off their hat.

Paul,

I didn't say that the change in Nazi policy was due to them losing the war, but that it wouldn't have occurred had the war gone better for them. Here's my original paragraph on this - nothing's changed....

"So the genocide was a Nazi atrocity not a Christian one. It should also be noted that extermination of the Jew was not the original Nazi aim. They had previously allowed almost all German Jews to leave and up to 1942 the general Nazi idea was to find the Jews a homeland as far from Europe as possible. Had the war gone better for the Nazis (eg a peace treaty with Britain in 1940) Hitler's aim was to move the Jews to somewhere like Madagascar - a plan not dissimilar to FDR's 'M project'. It was only when the war started going badly for them that they settled on a different 'final solution' to the Jewish problem."

So in my original post, I mentioned the 1942 change in policy which you've now discovered. I wasn't talking about them losing the war, just that the way the war went eliminated the chances for their original plan.

Did you even read the links I sent through which make the exact same point. I even quoted from the Wikipedia article on it in the hope that it would make it clearer for you. I guess its the old case of being able to lead a horse to water but not being able to make it think.

You see paul, when you decide to just ignore certain facts because they don't suit your ideology, you just end up down the garden path.

What's the view like down there?

Talking about principles.

American Educational Psychologist Dr. Haim Ginott wrote
about a letter that teachers would receive from the
Principal each year:

"I am a survivor of a concentration camp. My eyes saw
what no person should witness: gas chambers built by
learned engineers, children poisoned by educated
physicians, infants killed by trained nurses. Women and
babies shot by high school and college graduates.

So I am suspicious of education.

My request is this: Help your children become human. Your
efforts must never produce learned monsters, skilled
psychopaths or educated Eichmanns.

Reading, writing, and arithmetic are important only if they
serve to make our children more human."

This has become the mission statement and educational
philosophy of some Holocaust educational institutions
and it really sums up what a mission statement of teachers
should be.

Canem,

"mhaze can provide some direction here"

There is no evidence that Alexander the Great ever dealt with the Jews. At that time the Jews were an insignificant tribe eking out an existence in along the lower Jordan. Alexander, during his conquest of the Persian empire, travelled the coast roads, conquering the Phoenician cities of the coast. He never, for example, went to Jerusalem which was a small town in those days. Unlike the Samaritans, the Jews had pledged their submission to Macedon and Alexander in turn allowed them to continue to live as they had under the Persians.

Later, in the two centuries of Greek rule following Alexander, the Greek culture came to dominate the region and influenced the Jews as much as any other group. The new testament is written in Greek and many of the Essene beliefs had Greek foundations.

As to the death of Philip II, there are three theories:

* a palace coup led by Olympias, Alexander's mother because Philip was planning on cutting her son out of the succession.

* petty palace squabbling that went too far.

* A Persian plot. The Persians had been defeated by Greeks for the previous 150 yrs and their policy was to keep the Greeks divided so that they couldn't unite and overwhelm Persia. Philip united the Greeks and was indeed planning an invasion of the Persian Empire.

My own view is that it was petty palace jealousies that were stoked by Persian agents

Dear Josephus,

I am a Jew, and I don’t support Israel’s existence as a Jewish state. As long as Israel is a Jewish state non-Jews will be second class citizens. I support Israel’s existence as a state for all of its citizens regardless of their religious beliefs.

I don’t think it antisemitic to be against Israel’s existence as a Jewish state. I think the religious beliefs of its citizens should be no business of any country.

I don’t think there should be Buddhist, Christian, Hindu, Jewish or Muslim states. Every country should be a country for all its citizens whatever they believe or don’t believe in the matter of religion.

Israel does not have civil marriage. People should be free to marry who they like without intervention of clergy.

Israel does not have a state school system. Boys and girls of different backgrounds should have the opportunity to grow up together, learn together, marry who they like and work together.

I would like to see Israel become a democracy, and it cannot become a democracy as long as it is a Jewish state.

Dear David,

«Israel does not have a state school system.»

That would be nice because I do not support state-run schools.
However, 70% of Jewish primary school children in Israel study in the state school system: 51% in secular state-schools and 19% in religious state-schools.

Arab children (23% of all children) also mostly study in state-schools, but these are separate because the language there is Arabic, not Hebrew.

«Israel does not have civil marriage. People should be free to marry who they like without intervention of clergy.»

Why should the state provide marriage services at all?
Of course people should be free to marry, choosing for themselves who marries them (if any) and what all that means (if anything).
There should be no civil marriage, nor registration of marriages, because it is not up to states to define what marriage means.

«I am a Jew, and I don’t support Israel’s existence as a Jewish state. As long as Israel is a Jewish state non-Jews will be second class citizens.»

What IS a "Jewish state" anyway?

Is the state there in order to serve its actual people or in order to serve some abstract ideas of what people should be like?

In my view it is the former, which means that the state should strive to make its population happy, at least comfortable. It is not possible to simultaneously make everyone happy and comfortable, but at least the majority should be. Shouldn't they?

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