News, the morbidly obese 67 year old Clive Palmer, claims not to be vaxxed. Is Big Clive a ticking time bomb? ALTHOUGH, he may be double vaxxed with a booster to boot. When it comes to spreading lies Clive is a past master.

Looking at these figures from Hasbeen it appears that 21.6% (8/37- 23x d-vaxxed/ 1x s-vaxxed/ 8x unvaxxed/ 5x booster) died unvaxxed and there are 19% unvaxxed ("Under investigation")- so it seems basically on parity to me- within margins of error. ie. It appears from Hasbeen's data that you're just as likely to die from covid "if you have" or "if you haven't" had the jab. I've probably missed something.

There also seems to be some questions of issues with the reporting of deaths of people "with covid" rather than "by covid"- perhaps this evens out over the whole sample- everyone is biased to their own view I suppose. From memory- according to Ben Goldacre's TED talk- pharma companies always seem to get the data they want- strange- even though in theory they have better protocols than independent studies.

Of course it doesn't include the figures for vax reactions.

One thing you are missing is that the data was for Omicron only. For all strains the unvaccinated fared worse. The skepticism of vaccines makes me think that there are some budding chiropractors here.

Sorry, I think you misread that Fester.

The reference to Omicron was that a higher percentage of the vaccinated are catching Omicron than the percentage of unvaccinated catching it. That is vaccination enhances the likelihood of catching it, rather than reducing it, at least in Scotland.

Perhaps it's something in the water, or even the whisky.

Hassy,

My wife's first cousin, a man about 60 traveled from Sydney to Melbourne by car to visit family at Xmas. Unvaccinated, contracted Covid, now in ICU since late December. Took him off the ventilator yesterday morning and put a tube in his wind pipe. No visitors allowed, doctors hope he'll breath on his own, fingers crossed. AND you know Hassy he's not been anywhere near Scotland.

I don't know if in between your guff and reality you are vaxxed or not, BUT I sincerely hope you are for your sake.

Keep safe and prosper.

The latest stats from NSW show that half of covid deaths aged under 65 years and half of all hospital covid patients were unvaccinated. Less than 5% of the population is unvaccinated.

In light of this data I would not think it likely that omicron is more dangerous for double vaccinated people than it is for unvaccinated people. I suspect the Scottish data reflects a larger number of young patients in the unvaccinated population. Remember that people over seventy are about ten times more likely to die from covid and that children, the least vulnerable age group, were the last to receive vaccinations.

Personally I am very worried for the safety of people I know who are refusing covid vaccination, especially as I have not found the information on which they base their choice to be either informed or rational. Here is a video link to one antivaxxer nutcase who my friends prefer to the medical advice to get boosted and vaccinated:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keQzLV4LEUc