Foxy,
You’re running.

Good comment Foxy, as usual. Issy is a dog with a bone, he supports people in parliament whose objective is to destroy our democratic institutions at the point of a gun. Along with their extreme far right allies, they would impose a totalitarian regime on us all with the Loverly Pauline as queen.

Let it be noted we do not give allegiance to a peice of dirt or a group of multicultural people.

Allegiance is given to the principle of ideas and laws that govern a group. You are swaering allegiance to follow an idea / social philosophy - maybe represented by a flag that symplolically expresses those principles.

[The Australian flag with British ensign in one corner - language and cultural values -and stars of the Southern cross - states in the union - with the colours representing white = purity, blue = lofty ideals, red = sacrifice of life] It is to these ideas we give allegiance. We have people in Australia who want to espouse another set of ideas and fly a different flag.

LET THESE PEOPLE COME OUT OF THEIR BUNKERS AND PRESENT THEIR FLAGS SO WE KNOW WHERE THEIR ALLEGIANCE LIES!

Plato's Republic- perhaps one of the first books on the nature of civilization- Marx would have said it was utopian- but Marx himself was more utopian- dystopian.

'The Dogs' of Plato's Republic were the soldiers- the ones that loyally lay peacefully at the feet of the leaders- but stood against threats to their home- they were one's from which leadership was chosen- and from whose virtue the civilization was renewed- if as Paul1405 says Is Mise is a dog- I say 'woof woof'.

What would Plato call Paul1405 ?- perhaps a fox- thieving, murdering, liar- while all perhaps kill for some it's in their nature.

CM,

Other than trying to up your intelligence with references to the classics, the saying is "like a dog with a bone" it doesn't say he's a dog, but like that dog, never gives up.

Paul,
And I won’t give up, it’s a juicy bone and so far no one has had a go at proving me wrong when I say that those who espouse republicanism and belong to a party that works towards its accomplishment and then swear allegiance to the Queen are liars and perjurers.

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