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Santa yes, but no to God

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Dear Nathan,

«God though is another question, something Atheists and others have not been able to prove»

Well both the Atheists and the others you mentioned assume in error that God must be SOMETHING. There are no grounds to believe so and even the Bible nowhere suggests that God were a THING. That idea of God being a thing, is unfound and born of human limited imagination: no wonder that those who look for something to call "God", fail to find "it"...

And being SOMETHING, one expects it to exist, unlike for example Santa who is something, but does not exist.
Once it is understood that God is not a SOMETHING, this question of His "existence" or otherwise falls and turns to be meaningless nonsense.

And who anyway would want to worship anything that exists (that, by definition would constitute idolatry)?
A bucket exists all right - so would you try to compare your God with a bucket?

Hope this helps!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 21 December 2021 7:25:17 PM
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Hi there TTBN...

As you say, the existence of Jesus Christ is a historical fact, but whether he's the Son of God, well, I wouldn't know? To say he is; is an admission that one believes in God's existence. Conversely I suppose if one says he's not, well that's another way of saying God exists? Am I wrong TTBN? I dunno mate?

But I agree with you absolutely, as a retired copperr; If human kind was to follow the teachings of the New Testament, or Jesus's teachings to be more specific, the human race would be in far better shape than it is today I believe. Still what would I know? I hope you and yours have a really great Christmas, and a healthy 2022.
Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 21 December 2021 8:05:46 PM
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Faith is like asking if you are the cells of your body - in a physically created sense - yes. But every cell of your body is exchanged every 21 years. If you understand that you are the character and actions performed in your body, you are closer to who you are. All that protein, oxygen, and liquid etc that you have consumed to make up your body has been other living creatures before you. So, you can only claim your living amd impact on this life is you. God exists in the same realm as God is the source of life and being. We can only find Him in repentance and forgiveness for how we fail. God is spirit.
Posted by Josephus, Tuesday, 21 December 2021 8:46:46 PM
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Congratulations, Josephus,

«Faith is like asking if you are the cells of your body - in a physically created sense - yes. But every cell of your body is exchanged every 21 years. If you understand that you are the character and actions performed in your body, you are closer to who you are.»

Discovering this is an important milestone in your spiritual progress.

There is further to go.

«So, you can only claim your living amd impact on this life is you»

For now, but keep contemplating, there are still wonders to discover.
Me telling you who or what you are would be of no use, you need to find it out yourself.

«God exists in the same realm as God is the source of life and being.»

Yes. An analogy would be our dreams.

When you sleep and dream, you, the dreamer, are the source of your dreams.
You do not exist in your dream: the dream-character that you call "me" is only your distorted projection. Should someone in your dream claim that "there is a Dreamer who dreams all this", they could well be considered mad. Other dream-characters would state that no such Dreamer exists and demand: "show me your Dreamer, if you can"...

«We can only find Him in repentance and forgiveness for how we fail.»

Very true. We can only find God with a pure heart. Repentance and Forgiveness help us to purify our hearts.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 22 December 2021 5:05:07 AM
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This may shock some, and I don't mean to disrespect Jesus Christ, who was a great man of history, and a great teacher. The true founder of modern universal Christianity was Soul of Tarsus who is better known as Paul the Apostle, The nativity is only found in the Gospel of Luke, Luke was a close associate of Paul, and there is every likelihood he was the ghost writer for Paul's Gospel. More than half of the New Testament is the work of Paul. Jesus was born in Nazareth, but there were good reasons for Paul to move his birth place to the town of David, Bethlehem, as it was foretold the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Without Paul Christany would have failed, as the James brother of Jesus sect in Jerusalem did fail.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 22 December 2021 5:44:04 AM
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o sung wu,

All might be revealed sooner than we think. It seems that the 'expert' opinions of those chuntering on about people living longer have come to nothing, and this has been the case since 2010. We can't take anything for granted. Merry Christmas.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 22 December 2021 7:20:08 AM
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