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Don't do it Morrioson.

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Pauliar,

I see WA is in lockdown after a security guard who was last tested in January and who had insufficient PPE has tested positive for Covid. That he is suspected of being an uber driver makes it far worse.

So much for the Labor polished turd standards.
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 4 October 2021 1:28:20 PM
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Unlike too many Australians, anyone entering, like elsewhere, will be vaccinated, as even negative tests will be no longer sufficient to enter many nations.

Meanwhile locally, constant deflection from the issue of insufficient vaccine procurement, logistics and delivery; backgrounded by media based denialism, scepticism and confusion round Covid and any public health measures which may impair business.

If Australia had vaccination rates comparable to many other nations this conversation would be irrelevant.
Posted by Andras Smith, Monday, 4 October 2021 8:10:20 PM
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Shonky,

With NSW taking all those returning travellers, like that Liberal Party businessman from Indonesia, 9 trips in a year, then Covid. Do you think Gladys and Lover Boy Daryl might be getting a cut off the top? The ICAC should turn up something.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 4 October 2021 8:20:31 PM
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SR,

"People are not dying from the lockdown. "

Same old SR - take a sentence completely out of context, then utterly distort the meaning and finally pontificate on that distortion. When I talked about lives being sacrificed, I was referring to the lives I mentioned in that very same paragraph. But they aren't being sacrificed in the sense of dying. This isn't a binary breathing-not breathing thing. Lives are being destroyed by the lockdowns.

"your open slather approach"

I never called for an open slather approach. But I've said that so often that I'm sure you know that - just prefer to ignore it.
Same old SR.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 6:45:09 AM
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Canem,

There's a fair bit to unpack here. So, let's start with some delimiters. I think there are three separate issues which you've conflated - tourism/foreign students, globalism and the globalist project.

Tourism and foreign students are an export source for Australia in the sense that's its a way for us to earn money to pay for the things we import. You seem to think that tourism takes something from us. But what? I can't imagine. A Chinese tourist watching the sunrise over Ayers Rock hasn't taken anything. It’s still there for any local to experience tomorrow of a century hence. Equally education. Foreign students aren't taking education facilities from locals. As we've seen, sans the foreigners, locals don't get their places. Those places just cease to exist. Indeed, it’s clear that universities etc are able to offer more local places using the profits derived from the foreigners.

Globalism - this isn't the same as the globalist project. Its aim is to expand global trade and global integration. While I know there are those who deny that trade enhances economic well-being, it seems clear that that is just wrong. All periods of advancing well-being have been associated with enhanced trade, be it the great civilisations of the 13th century BC, or the pax Romana or the global trade systems of the 18th and 19th century.

The globalist project (which seems to be your main concern) is indeed as you describe, an attempt by global elites to define away global boarders. They do want open transfers of peoples between nations (although nations would really not exist) and the free movement of monies and means of production. But this movement of peoples is, for the globalists, not the 2-week Contiki tour, but a more permanent or semi-permanent relocation of workers. Conflating a very temporary tourist with a relocated labourer isn't valid.
/cont
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 7:26:53 AM
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/cont

So, from my perspective - tourism is great and useful, globalism is to be encouraged and the globalist project is to be opposed at all points.

But what you seem to be suggesting is that its fine to jettison the tourism and foreign student industries in the fight to oppose the globalist. Even if they linked (they're not) quite why the workers in those industries are to be sacrificed in that fight is unclear and manifestly unfair.

So again...do you have any sympathy for the victims of lockdown?

"I try to see the world as it was in the 1950's and the 1500's and other mileposts and try to work out what went wrong contemporarily..."

Might I suggest that you consider working out what went RIGHT, contemporarily. No one who understands the period wants to live in the 1500's. As much as I admire Periclean Athens, life there compared to now would be abysmal. We live in a golden age (or did until very recently) and need to understand how and why we got here. It wasn't all down to globalism, but it was a large part of it. Opposing tourism or trade to fight the globalists is very much a baby-bath water situation.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 7:27:05 AM
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