SR,

There are plenty of people dying from an inability to get the medical treatment they need, additional suicides etc. This is in addition to the 1000s of people whose businesses and careers are in ruins.

Lockdown is a blunt instrument that causes nearly as much damage as it cures like chemotherapy. A similar approach to road safety would see the banning of all cars etc to prevent the roughly 1100 road deaths p.a.

Lockdown has to be lifted and the only debate is at what % of the population needs to be vaccinated. Shortly anyone will have had the opportunity to be vaccinated and the lockdown should be lifted.

SR no lives are being lost to the lock downs? Are you mad? I suggest you look at facts in future not navel gazing. Surgeries, cancer and mental health are ramping up and will get far worse.
You idiots thinking you can beat a life force with no eyes, ears, arms, brain or heart. It is just a piece of dna in a protein envelope. The virus just wants to infect, not kill, if it kills it dies too. I wont go into the complicated bits of this it would interfere with you too much.
As the Chinese boy Andrews is finding, easy to talk, difficult to do. He presides over greatest deaths, greatest infections and greatest cost. The virus is still getting through and these hopeless vaccines are neither stopping you getting it or passing it on. three jabs, four jabs and it still infects people. Only once though so we can easily get through this. Look at crowds in the US having fun, yes that is what really irks you wonderful people someone enjoying themselves. Children of Cromwell all of you stupid fearful and intolerant!

Shonky,

"their (NSW) record is far far better than any other state." Have you been swigging on the bottle of Donald Diso again. The Gladys virus has seen over 400 deaths, and thousands infected. It wont take long for the Gladys to kill as many as the ScumO' did in private aged care in Victoria last year. Both have cocked-up their pandemic responses, Morrison with quarantine and vaccine roll-out, and Berejiklian with her shambolic lockdown and health orders.

Are you still hiding out in NZ, with the protection of a Labour government? We are lucky here in Queensland with Annastacia Palaszczuk running the show, and not that air head, Miss Corruption from NSW.

Pauliar,

In NZ where nearly half the population is in lockdown, this Labour state is not doing much better than NSW or Victoria with the delta virus breaking out.

Victoria Labor has still killed the most people reaching nearly 900

NSW has quarantined more than 1/2 of all visitors shouldering the load for the rest of Aus and have easily squashed the contagion from bubonic Dan's cock up.

NSW is the gold standard and Victoria the turd standard.

mhaze said-

"Canem..."I would keep the national borders closed"

So no thought for the million plus people whose livelihoods, careers, lifestyle, financial well-being, mental well-being and families, are inextricably linked to tourism (both internal and external) and foreign students? Those lives can be sacrificed on the altar of perfect safety?"

Answer-

Interesting point.

How do I put this...

The tourism and education industries seem to be sources of community instability and over reliance seems unwise- their promotion seem to be linked to the Global Citizen philosophy enjoyed by global elites- though they do bring in a lot of "free" money. Free money is of course not free- there are always strings attached. Also it depends on where the tourism and students are coming from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_citizenship

Global Industrialists want the free movement of people, capital, resources in line with Ricardo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_citizenshipeconomics- because it's in their immediate interest- in practice politics contradicts this paradigm.

Short term free money, business and military coup's can position advantageously in the competitive landscape but I perhaps this isn't a solid foundation for national survival or world stability.

I can understand that those indoctrinated by business schools may not see things in such terms- indoctrination is everywhere.

I try to see the world as it was in the 1950's and the 1500's and other mileposts and try to work out what went wrong contemporarily- in these ages there wasn't the mass movement of people that we have today. With the advantages of technology I can't see the reason why we can't live well today based on social principles similar to the 1500's. The Rhode's scholarship brought only very few- the cream of the cream- of the world's intellectual talent to Britain- not the masses in Australia today.

Australia's prestigious educational institutions are for the benefit of the local's- the education industry is like selling the farm rather than the wheat.

Freedom vs responsibility.

mhaze- I'm interested to hear your views

I would have no problem with opening up the whole world on condition that we can chose our own preference in medication.

There can be no smoke with out some fire. Why do the elites want to force vaccination with experimental materials upon us? There has to be some reason they are trying to keep hidden the success of anti virals in other countries, & the low infection rates in areas where anti malarial prophylactic treatment is standard. It all looks like dirty money to me from here.

If I am allowed to tell them to stick their experimental jab, & given access to doctor prescribed anti virals, they can do what they like, but they will get nothing but civil disobedience from most folk I know if they persist with this forced vaccination rubbish. It has to be a rort.