The National Forum   Donate   Your Account   On Line Opinion   Forum   Blogs   Polling   About   
The Forum - On Line Opinion's article discussion area



Syndicate
RSS/XML


RSS 2.0

Main Articles General

Sign In      Register

The Forum > General Discussion > Global warming & western government stupidity.

Global warming & western government stupidity.

  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. 3
  5. 4
  6. Page 5
  7. All
By Paul Homewood

Alarm bells have been ringing in European and UK power markets this month, as electricity prices surge to record levels. Here day-ahead prices are triple those of a year ago, and European markets are seeing the same happening, a sign of serious instability in European grids.

The immediate trigger has been low wind speeds across much of Europe in the last few weeks, meaning reduced outputs of wind power. This has led to a shortage of power on the grid, and a consequent spiking of prices. This sort of thing occasionally happens in winter when demand is high, but is unheard of in summer months, indicating that something is going badly wrong.

No matter how many windmills, when the wind don't blow, you aint got nothing.

If Europe gets it's usual cold still period mid winter this year, a catastrophe will be hard to avoid.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 18 September 2021 11:34:23 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Hasbeen,

Yes wave technology has a long way to go.
I agree that we need sensible energy mixes as we make any transition away from a high reliance on fossil fuels.
Posted by Chris Lewis, Sunday, 19 September 2021 8:54:06 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Hasbeen,
If you read articles by actual journalists rather than bloggers, you'd see the grid remained stable. The lower outputs of wind power led not to a shortage of power on the grid, but to increased usage of gas to generate electricity. It was this, in combination with gas prices rebounding up, which resulted in high wholesale electricity prices.
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 20 September 2021 12:16:58 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Due to the higher viscosity tidal and wave power (in the megawatt range) have potentially greater energy generation capability but you still need to get the power to the users.

Wind power tends to be in the kilowatt range but closer to the user.

Both still need storage perhaps- this seems to be the bigger problem.

The good thing about oil and gas is it's own storage.

There's some guys making Zinc Bromide Flow Batteries on the web for home storage.
Posted by Canem Malum, Monday, 20 September 2021 8:10:17 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Come off it Aidan. It was shutting down coal & nuclear plants, & trying the impossible, to replace them with damn fool windmills that has caused the prices to skyrocket, & is currently forcing the shut down of high power usage industries

Fertilizer manufacturers have had to close, as they can't afford the price gas has been forced to, causing, would you believe it, a shortage of CO2. The meat industry will be shut down in another 2 weeks due to a lack of CO2 if prices remain as high.

And some clowns still talk as if windmills are a good idea. God help us.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 2:36:47 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Solar panels uses 16 times more glass, concrete and steel than nuclear for the equivalent power produced and 300 times more waste than nuclear.
Posted by Josephus, Friday, 24 September 2021 11:22:01 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. 3
  5. 4
  6. Page 5
  7. All

About Us :: Search :: Discuss :: Feedback :: Legals :: Privacy