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Global warming & western government stupidity.

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You couldn’t make this rubbish up. The UK government, yes the one closing power stations, building windmills, & trying to force everyone into electric cars, has just passed a new law.

Under regulations that will come into force in May, chargers in the home and workplace will be automatically set not to function from 8am to 11am and 4pm to 10pm.

The government is also taking powers to impose a “randomised delay” of up to 30 minutes at other times to avoid pressure on the grid if there is a scramble among motorists to recharge their batteries at the same time.

There are only 300,000 battery electric vehicles (EVs) on the UK’s roads, how long will the no charge period have to be if this number doubles, or as the government desires, increases by 100 fold. I wonder what effect the imminent closure of the remaining nuclear power stations will have on no charging times.

I wonder if it is possible to find a more disorganised bunch anywhere, than western governments & their damn fool global warming policies.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 5:06:11 PM
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Dear Hasbeen,

Geez mate you do fall for this crap all the time don't you.

Here is the text your source forgot to include;

"The Government will mandate that smart chargepoints must prompt users to input a charging schedule during first use. In addition, smart chargepoints must be pre-set to offer users a charging schedule that by default prevents EVs from charging at peak times. During first use, the user must be given the opportunity to edit or remove this setting. The user must also be able to remove or edit this default setting at a later date. Peak times will be defined in legislation as 8am to 11am and 4pm to 10pm on weekdays."

So the user can over ride this at any time. So why the carry on?

http://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1015285/electric-vehicle-smart-charging-government-response.pdf
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 10:06:45 PM
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During the early days of "the horseless carriage", people would have to carry enough fuel with them, buy it from hardware stores or send it ahead to be picked up Post Offices if on a longer trip.

Car manufacturers are preparing to dump their petrol models regardless and inevitably steps will be made to accommodate EV consumer requirements, as has always been the case.
Posted by rache, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 12:53:19 AM
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Interesting Hasbeen.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 2:51:15 AM
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Things must be getting serious in Europe for
the UK to take these steps. Perhaps we shall learn
something from it. Lets wait and see.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 9:33:32 AM
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Dear Foxy,

Things aren't bad at all. These is just sensible moves to deal with future load sharing.

"The time of day at which Electric Vehicle (EV) charging occurs could have significant implications for the electricity system. We expect that many consumers will charge their EVs at home in the future. Without smart charging, EV charging is likely to happen during existing electricity system peak times (such as between 5pm and 7pm) when many people arrive home from work. This would require significant levels of additional investment both in the networks that transport the electricity, with the costs borne ultimately by consumers, and in electricity generation capacity to meet increased demand."

This is nothing new to operators as the TV-pickup syndrome is already dealt with through some close monitoring.

"The National Grid Energy Balancing Team is responsible for ensuring an adequate supply of electricity and try to ensure a frequency of between 49.5 and 50.5 Hz is maintained. To prepare for pickups the team runs a computer program that compares the current day with corresponding periods over the past five years to predict the size of demand, and studies TV schedules to anticipate demand from popular shows. Grid employees must also be familiar with popular soap-opera storylines as one might cause a sudden rise in demand. Owing to this, they are aware of what shows attract the largest audiences and of customers' television choices; one expressed his disapproval in 2013, "The TV pickup from Deal or No Deal is gobsmackingly high. How sad is that?""
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_pickup

The primary instrument to deal with this isn't fossil fueled nor nuclear but rather pumped hydro which can be brought online in 12 seconds.

This initiative will see EV vehicle owners coming home and plugging in their cars for the night. without them having to do a thing the charging will then commence outside the peak times of energy use.

Eminently sensible policy.

So there really is little to get fired up about here and it is only bad faith actors who are feeding chooks like Hasbeen that things like this gain any traction.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 10:12:05 AM
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There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. I guess this is the lemming virus at work.

The UK, Germany & even France are closing their nuclear power plants. The UK has mothballed most of it's coal plants, & is shipping US forests in chip form in to keep another going. They are still buying the remaining surplus of French nuclear power to keep the lights on, have reopened 2 mothballed coal plants, & are reopening another, & they still cling to the myth than so called renewables can supply a modern country with power. Even Germany is quietly building coal plants.

Meanwhile they mandate the switch to electric cars. They can't sensibly charge the 300,000 on the road now, & keep the lights on, how the hell do they expect to do it when it is 30,000,000.

At least Germany is building a pipeline to get Russian gas to fuel the country, & building a few coal plants, quietly As the first to suffer this disease, they may be recovering their senses.

Either some new woke virus has taken over the minds of western governments, or this is a step on the way to taking our cars, & a lot of other things of modern society, off us.

From the answering posts here, & by the behavior of a couple of our state governments, the disease if rife here. God help our grand kids.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 10:58:36 AM
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Dear Steele,

Thanks for explaining.

I have no real qualms. I usually prefer to wait and
see what develops. I think the media has a lot to
answer. Look at what they did with the COVID
vaccines scare. My husband and I have both had our
first jab of the Astra Zeneca - and no bad reactions
(despite my having blood clots on the lungs). Our
second jabs are due at the end of October.

Panic should not set in for anything until all the
facts are in.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 11:08:00 AM
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Dear Hassie,

Don't be concerned. Trying new technologies
is not a bad thing. Neither is innovative
and future planning. That's how we make progress
including deciding what works and what doesn't.
But there's nothing wrong with trying something
new.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 11:11:21 AM
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It takes the first 60,000 K driving to reach a negative emmission caused by the production of the car. then it depends on the source of the power generation wether a zero emmission is maintained. Following that the consumerables used by the car during its life how are they produced and disposed of?
Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 12:05:13 PM
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Hasbeen,
>There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
Finally something we agree on. One question though: when are you going to open your eyes?

>The UK, Germany & even France are closing their nuclear power plants.
But only Germany is doing it for ideological reasons. In Britain and France it's simply that when the nuclear power plants reach the end of their working lives, it's uneconomic to build new ones to replace them; it's cheaper to go with wind.

The UK has reached the stage where its remaining coal plants only operate seasonally. Now they've got cold weather again, of course some are reopening.

Germany has ceased building new coal plants, and the last of the existing ones will close by 2028. However their use of coal did rise this year, due to a combination of higher demand than last year, less windy conditions and nuclear plant closure. But make no mistake: that's no more than a blip on a long term downward trend.

>[Britain] can't sensibly charge the 300,000 on the road now, & keep the lights on
That's a blatant lie! They can and are.

> how the hell do they expect to do it when it is 30,000,000.
Steele explained one of the changes they're making: the one you started this thread based on a misunderstanding of. They'll also be investing in more generation, transmission and storage, along with better international links.
Posted by Aidan, Thursday, 16 September 2021 2:36:10 AM
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Useful idiots abound.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 16 September 2021 12:59:40 PM
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Too bad that many of the "2050 Zero Emission Target" crowd won't be around to have their Public Trough snouts rubbed to be laughed at.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 16 September 2021 3:57:04 PM
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