Dear o sung wu,

Good to see you posting old chap.

I'm not denying that tribalism plays a part in SA or the US. My contention is they aren't a hell of a lot different when you boil it all down in either country.

Both Trump and Zuma were corrupt populists who flaunted the law and heightened divisions for their political ends. Both showed a high degree of nepotism and both were constantly fending off credible accusations of sexual transgressions.

Zuma's catchphrase '100% Zulu' was deliberately divisive as were Trump's attacks on people like Kapernick.

Trump's friendship with Putin and Zuma's ties to the Guptas echo each other.

And this description of Zuma is certainly reflective of how Trump operated:

“He rewards the people who would have challenged him by giving them cabinet positions. Many of these people who would have [spoken out] have a bone in their mouth, so they’re unable to bark too much.”

That Trump managed to have virtually the entire Republican party in his pocket by the end, even some of his harshest critics, speaks to this.

The type of unrest certainly differ to a degree but that is to be expected with notable differences in poverty levels.

And Zuma's legacy of large increases in GDP but accompanying increases in the poverty levels which had originally been so effectively brought down from the apartheid numbers may well be Trump's too.

SR. that you deliberately interpret the SA problems through the lens of The American BLM Communist V White Capitalist view bears little resemblence to the problems of SA. They are blacks murdering blacks.

Note: Zuma was convicted of resisting a court order to testify in a state-backed investigation into allegations of corruption during his nine-year term as president that ended in 2018.

Defense Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula told reporters at the news conference she did not believe current conditions warrant imposing a state of emergency.

Zuma's lawyer argued Monday before South Africa's Constitutional Court that Zuma should have his sentence rescinded. Judges on the court said they would consider the arguments and announce their decision at a later date.

The most severe riots in decades continue to rock South Africa, reportedly begun when socialist operatives objected to the conviction of former left-wing President Jacob Zuma.

Rioting, looting, and widespread — often xenophobic — violence began in Johannesburg and Durban, spreading to numerous cities over the weekend. “Parts of the country are reeling from several days and nights of public violence, destruction of property and looting of the sort rarely seen before in the history of our democracy,” said current South African President Cyril Ramphosa in a heartfelt address to the nation on Monday. “It started with the burning of trucks … in KwaZulu-Natal this past Saturday and was followed by blockades of roads in the northern parts of the province and the looting of shops.”

This has been exasibated by the current Covid situation causing shortages of food.

SR

You may wish to deny the obvious implications of the injustices of the Trump enquires which continue onward after the election, with renewed vigour.
If you can’t see a problem with those, your alone in a corner.

Trump of course, was more conservative with his approach towards the crimes of Democrats, and simply called them out for what they were.
The shame is though, he didn’t push harder for justice against the Clintons and their involvement with Epstein’s pedophile ring, operating in high places.
And the mystery of Epstein’s death remains just that, very mysterious.

Now here is a relevant question aimed at the thread ; Do Black Lives Matter?
Where is your answer on that? Your less than simmering liberal hate sessions qualify you to the next Democratic convention with a free rainbow flag as bonus!

I’ll answer from my perspective.
Regards Biden, the Blacks love child according to you. They would hardly vote for the return of the KKK by voting Republican would they. But obviously they have conveniently forgotten Biden’s past role in locking up the most blacks by proportion of all Democracies of the West, with his mandatory sentencing bill, one of his past chestnuts.
Blacks don’t matter to the Democrats, outside of a vote with very little choice in the decision that remains available to them.

Black lives do matter as cannon fodder to the BLM nutters. Observe link above re; Josephus.
BLM is an arm of the Gay rights movement. Which itself is an anti social Godless band of the queers who were once justifiably sidelined from normal society.

And obviously, under the rule of a Black orientated SA Government, Black Lives Matter very little, unless performing to the racist Ideals of Black rule.

Dan

My statement had absolutely nothing to do with what's happening in South Africa, which is a local civil conflict and nothing to do with the BLM movement generally.

The post started with a bizarre conflation of the BLM movement with South Africa which not only makes no sense but was a deliberate and provocative attempt at distortion and demonisation.

As for the irrelevant reference to Plato's Republic it's interesting that the concept of racism did not exist in ancient Greece.

Dear Josephus,

Mate you really need to acknowledge where you pinch stuff from. The Daily Wire is hardly top of the tree for credible sources but even so it is really bad form to be putting stuff up intimating it is yours.

The LA riots after the Rodney King beating cost a similar number of lives and inflicted a similar amount of property damage.

Deep inequities within a society often leads to the kind of violence we have seen at both. A fairer distribution of wealth goes a long way to alleviating the desperate want which accompanies looting.

Why is this such and anathema to you?

Dear Diver Dan,

You write: “BLM is an arm of the Gay rights movement. Which itself is an anti social Godless band of the queers who were once justifiably sidelined from normal society.”

Yawn.

Really mate, if you are going to post such fruit loop stuff we both know it is completely outside any parameters which would allow a rational debate on the topic, then why on earth would you expect a response to it?

But perhaps that is the reason why you do it. You justifiably feel outclassed. Well you need to suck it up princess because that ain't ever going to change.

SR.

I write: “BLM is an arm of the Gay rights movement. Which itself is an anti social Godless band of the queers who were once justifiably sidelined from normal society

There is no lie to this claim, I make a perfectly justified claim, whether you like my conclusions or not.
if you consider your own opinion as superior, as you say it is, then consider this:
Since if I say the sun does not rise in the East, I am actually, (against the apparent odds of being correct), more correct than one claiming it as fact, 363 times a year out of 365, since it only rises in the east two days a year!

All’s not necessarily as it seems as you can see.

Given histories norms, if you are so accepting of gay rights and their lying manipulation of the facts of life, I put this to you as a challenge.
Point to a precedence in the history of civilisation, where homosexuality has been projected onto a society as a superior notion of behaviour befitting of an elevation to a superior social class of that society, and befitting of recognition to rule over them!

I think I’m more correct in my view 363 times out of 365. So with which insignificant 2 do you win with your view. Your wrong for many reasons more than two.

Dan