In an extraordinary move FJ's producer has been arrested by a squad set up after the Lint Cafe seige.

This is a deeply concerning abuse of power by a politician who has been repeatedly accused of corruption.

Whatever side of politics people are on this kind of shutting down of free speech should be called out as undemocratic and unacceptable.

http://youtu.be/OXtq4a8829g

Dear Steele,

We'll have to wait and see how this develops.

It will be interesting to see if the charges of
stalking and intimidation can be proven beyond
a reasonable doubt. If the bar is set too low there
will be a serious risk to free speech and
democracy. If it can be proven the penalty carries
with it a five year imprisonment.

Friendly Jordies is a political, satirical, commentation.
And they are entitled to free speech. What they are
not entitled to do is harrass, stalk, or viciously
pursue any target and cause them undue stress.
Remember Princess Diana and the media?

There needs to be a line that is not crossed - even
when dealing with corrupt politicians.

Anyway, we'll have to wait and see how it all pans out.

Whether the police over-stepped their duty is another
question that needs to be asked. Did the producer
Kristo Langker meet the criteria required to make
the arrest? Or did the NSW Fixated Persons Unit over
step the mark?

SR has suddenly discovered the need for free speech after opposing it for so long!!

Dear Foxy,

On the evidence presented this is an absolute abuse of power. The Chasers were far more in the face than Kristo's was in the 2 times he approached the deputy Premier. Crikey has done a decent write up here.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2021/06/17/fixated-persons-unit-friendlyjordies/

Dear shadowminister,

From memory I objected to the Lindt Street gunman sending letters to the widows of servicemen while you upheld his right to do so.

This is very different.

Dear Steele,

Thank You for the link. It does appear that this
was an abuse of police power. Raiding the producer's
home and taking him away in an unmarked police car
to spend time in jail is extreme. And unusual.
They need to explain their actions. This matter
should have been handled in the courts.

SR,

I defend the right to free speech, you however only do so when politically expedient.

If the arrest of this fellow is purely a free speech issue, then this is clearly an abuse of power. However, if he was physically threatening someone, then it was not.

SR the filthy Andrews government has been up to this Gestapo like tactics from the Victorian coppers for the last year. I cannot feel too bad about your little mate whilst you supported the Hunchback!
See what happens when you support these fascists?

Dear JBowyer,

Absolute bollocks mate.

Firstly Kristo was stirring up a politician who was suing his boss. That's it. He wasn't putting lives at danger.

What I don't get is you far right wing types love authoritarian figure so why are you bleating on about Dan?

This is how the Singaporians deal with the issue.

"A British anti-masker has been detained in Singapore and faces up to six months in prison after a video appeared on Facebook of him riding a train without a face mask."

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/yorkshire-anti-masker-faces-up-to-six-months-in-singapore-prison-after-riding-train-without-face-covering-3277019

Thanks Steele,

Expect nothing less from Barilaro, trying to use the police state to protect himself from free speech. Corruption within the NSW government starts from the top down.

My understanding of this issue is that they two people at the Friendly Jordies have been arrested basically under stalking laws. The police act upon complaints- so it sounds like the Deputy Premier made a complaint- I understand that a writ can also be lodged through a JP limiting contact with threatened individuals- under threat of arrest. Any body can perhaps lodge such a writ- though I don't know of anyone that has done so.

Perhaps the police acted slightly differently given it was the Deputy Premier but not unwarranted sometimes the state police act in other capacities such as protective services roles.

Paul1405 alluded to other incidents involving supposed misuse of power by the Deputy Premier I haven't heard much but it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I'm more concerned about the politicisation of the police in Victoria seemingly crossing the line set out in the Principle of Separation of Powers- though perhaps there isn't firm evidence of this as yet. The management of Corona in Victoria has been interesting, that Premier Andrews rejected Army management of the crisis, in favour of State Health.

Wasn't it Andrews that allowed the BLM protests in the middle of a lockdown.

It seems that Premier Andrews management has put additional pressure on Federal Social Security Funds to provide sustenance for Victorian people and economy due to the extended lockdowns. Perhaps these additional funds should come out of Victoria's GST payments.

But the Liberals just want to get the Australian economy going again despite the incompetence of the Victorian Andrews Government.

Personally I'm more of a Traditionalist than an Economic Liberal but I empathise with PM Scott Morrison and the extreme patience that has been required in the light of "Victorian Labor Far Left Andrews Incompetence" holding everyone in Australia hostage and dragging them down- a bloody minded political ploy.

NSW should lock down the border more to stop the contamination of Victorian communism.

Hi CM,

A basic error in your argument;

"It seems that Premier Andrews management has put additional pressure on Federal Social Security Funds to provide sustenance for Victorian people and economy due to the extended lockdowns. Perhaps these additional funds should come out of Victoria's GST payments."

Well no, the State government is responsible for the support of business, whilst the Federal government is responsible for the support of the individual. As required the State supported business, but the Feds only provided additional support to workers in Melbourne for only one of the two weeks of this lockdown.

As for the origins for the outbreak, it can be clearly traced back to a traveller returning to Victoria from South Australia. Are you concerned with the growing cluster in Sydney. There is evidence of lax control of movement between airport and hotel quarantine, a State government responsibility . NSW Health Minister Hazzard is the same bloke who waved the passengers off the 'Ruby Princess' through, resulting in 28 deaths from Covid. He dodged a bullet with that one.

I was surprised by Berejiklian's attack the other day at a press conference on the slow roll-out saying; "another government is responsible etc etc".

On Barilaro, he has been seen as a questionable quantity by the Federal Nationals, along with some of his state colleagues, and the state Liberals for sometime. Before the last federal election he expressed aspirations to move from NSW to Canberra, the Feds soon quashed that notion, quickly hanging out the "Not Welcome" sign to good old Barrel's.

A chap goes on YouTube to tell any and all that his free speech has been shut down. Anyone else see the illogicality of that?

This use of police power to attack others and to try to punish opponents is of course to be lamented. Unfortunately its been going on for some time in plain view and each time it is used it becomes more accepted within society. Equally unfortunately, its only when one of their own suffers from this new trend that the left rouse themselves to complain.

Use the legal system to go after Pell - no problem.
Use the legal system to go after Porter - no problem.
Use the legal system to go after Bolt - no problem.

But go after someone on the left?

"First they came for the ......"

SR yes absolute bollocks from you as usual. I have nothing to do with Singapore why bring up your hatreds to me? Andrews is the most twisted politician we have ever suffered and even when he goes he will be attached to the CCP teat and still earning big with his huge pension topping it up. He is an absolute fascist and I hate him. I do not want anyone telling me what to do or where I can go. This whole debacle has been an example of tin pot, rubbish politicians and their lust for power over us using a virus that most shrug off. You stick with the hunchback Mate and he will do you in, mark my words!

I just looked up this Friendlyjordies on Youtube. Do people actually watch this a second time ?
What a humourless git !

Dear JBowyer,

Get your hand off it mate. I bring up a NSW issue and you go off about a Victorian premier. But when I raise a legitimate comparison to your point with a Singapore example you take issue?

Bloody hell you dopey right wing nutters are a scream.

This should be seen as a mercy mission. A couple of years in the slammer should give these twits a chance to grow up. Hell, they might even turn into useful adults given long enough away from a mirror.

Yes individual, I can't understand how anyone could watch the cr#p ever again after 5 minutes.

This discussion is not about the satirical show or what
you think of it - other wise Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt
would also be in jail. This is about whether or not
the producer committed a jailable offense against the
Deputy Premier. And that as far as we can tell is
questionable. The courts will decide whether or not the
NSW police exceeded their duties and the manner in which
they performed. The content of the show is not on trial
here.

Foxy said- The content of the show is not on trial
here.

Ans- It is about stalking for content I suppose.

No stalking was involved.

Just a journalist doing his job.

And the abuse of police power.

Just a journalist doing his job.
Foxy,
Now that'd be a first ! Alas, it was only just another git pushing his opinion rather than reporting facts !

It was the fear of the deputy premier that the
facts might be reported that got the producer
arrested.

SR you brought up a totally different country as a comparison which is stupidity on your part. Me comparing the largest State of Australia with the only slightly smaller State is a valid comparison. You left wing nutters with all your odious oppression are not only obnoxious but a real and present danger to our democracy. Especially that Andrews creature and supporters like you who applaud his disgusting undemocratic behaviour.

Dear individual,

You wrote:

“What a humourless git !”

Given the bloke has over 500,000 subscribers I think his audiences might not be the type who think Dad's Army is the height of humour.

He is hugely popular and probably the biggest Australian political youtuber. I real don't think he has to worry about not getting your viewership.

Dear Hasbeen,

FJ's research and sourcing of factual material to support his videos is well known and respected. That those facts might be uncomfortable for people like yourself who support the conservatives no matter what kind of odious corruption they get up too.

However there are some of us who think corrupt politicians need calling out and think this bloke is doing us a great service for going after them at some risk to himself.

The fact that you are tickled pink by sustained political corruption and fascist behaviour is telling.

Dear Jbowyer,

You are now just blathering. I think I called you out before as having a roo or two loose in the top paddock. I'm now doing so again. Get help.

the bloke has over 500,000 subscribers...
SteeleRedux,
Proof that there are morons galore !

Indi,

I saw this idiot's whinge fest. This humourless twat thinks 10 minutes of sneering is funny, he should be done for false advertising. That he approached Barilaro twice screaming abuse is probably why he was served.

Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt are not pretending to be comedians.

shadowminister,
If our Law were't run by isolated, ignorant of reality Intellectuals, Barilaro (I knew him when he was a toddler) should have simply decked that limp-wristed waste of all three dimensions !

"Given the bloke has over 500,000 subscribers....."

So at least half a million people saw him say his freedom of speech was being eroded....LOL

I know logic is a disappearing resource these days but being able to shout your case to 500K people is proof that your freedom to present your view isn't being infringed.

All it shows is that there are 500 000 left whingers that think 15 minutes of juvenile ranting is entertaining.

Kristo is being sued for defamation and facing criminal charges for stalking.

Quite interesting how conservatives and/or libertarians feel compelled to pack on and criticise this guy, and support leading voices in positions of power.

Says a lot, i.e. shutting down any criticism of and/or holding power to account; makes Australia look more like Turkey, Russia, Hungary etc..

Further, independent outlets of the centre and left have been compelled to remove comments altogether due to conservatives' freedom of speech issues and propensity for defamation suits against freedom of speech.....

Australians are looking like a bunch of thin skinned and autocratic losers as predicted by a US/Oz journalist two decades, ago in their need to look up to and support power of crusty old nativists and/or libertarians.

Andras Smith said "Quite interesting how conservatives and/or libertarians feel compelled to pack on and criticise this guy, and support leading voices in positions of power.

Says a lot, i.e. shutting down any criticism of and/or holding power to account; makes Australia look more like Turkey, Russia, Hungary etc.."

Answer-

If Andras Smith believes that the Deputy Premier is circumventing the "Principle of Separation of Powers between the Legislature, Judiciary, Executive" then I may believe that he is corrupt like communist Russia or China where there aren't such Westminster Principles as far as I know.

Perhaps the Deputy Premier just made a complaint using the powers that any citizen is entitled to exercise in this case it may say more about the nature of Andras Smith.

This is interesting...

Andras. Alternatively named Andra-inanyas. In demonology, an unpleasant demon whose only directive was to hunt and kill men, aided by his henchman Flauros. According to the Goetia, Andras was a Grand Marquis of Hell, appearing with a winged angel's body and the head of an owl or raven, riding upon a strong black wolf and wielding a sharp and ...

Canem Malum: keep shooting messengers and offer nothing substantive....

Andras,

The left whingers are just as keen to sue for defamation and have done so.

Free speech like anything has its limits. You are allowed to criticise people and what they do, but as soon as you make stuff up to damage their reputation they can sue you.

Jordan Shanks can win the case by showing that what he claimed was true. If not, then he is toast.

"Barilaro’s lawyers have claimed that the politician was defamed in the videos which imply he was “corrupt” and “committed perjury”.

The statement of claim also describes the videos as “vile and racist”. Barilaro’s lawyers pointed to the language used by the comedian in videos, such as calling him a “conman to the core, powered by spaghetti”, “greasy Ned Kelly”, and a “big, fat wog cock”.

“By reason of the publication of [the videos], the applicant has been greatly injured in his personal and professional reputation and has been and will be brought into public disrepute, odium, ridicule and contempt,”

Shadowminister,

Strewth you right whingers are absolute snow flakes.

“That he approached Barilaro twice screaming abuse is probably why he was served.”

This is what you are deeming screaming abuse. From the Media Watch video:

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/episodes/jordies/13404388

Quote

Hey John

John?

John?

I've got something for you.

John, I've got a lawsuit, you're suing my boss.

John?

John?

End quote

All delivered in a measured tone.

That to you is now screaming abuse is it? This is what deserved the intervention of an anti-terrorist squad is it?

God what a sad bunch of cry babies you lot really are.

Dear mhaze,

Rubbish.

This is what censorship is about “This pod is about us not mentioning the elephant in the room”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p03_GU3BanI

Barilaro has essential applied a SLAPP suit to shut him up. That is censorship in most people's book, apparently not yours though.

As to 500,000 subscribers this is more than 7 News at 497,000, close to 2/3rds 9 News' 760,000, and smashes 10 News with a paltry 57,000 subscribers.

The 'arrested' video has had over a million views in just a week.

As much as you would like to see someone who is calling out LNP corruption to be deemed insubstantial he most certainly isn't.

SR,

How can it be censorship if the guy is still able to talk to his flock?

"The 'arrested' video has had over a million views in just a week."
"As to 500,000 subscribers this is more than 7 News at 497,000..."

Again he has a huge following and he's able to still preach to them. So in what twisted logic is he censored?

" deemed insubstantial he most certainly isn't."

Where did I say he was insubstantial or anything like it?

Clearly you're over-wrought about this and are struggling to maintain any measure of logic here - even more so than usual, which is hard to believe.

It's unfortunate that this will now need to make its way through the tortuous court system and hopefully Barilaro will get what's coming, but this is world the left created. Its rather disingenuous to only now be complaining that its unfair. Tell that to Pell, Bolt and Porter.

Dear mhaze,

Neither, Pell, Bolt nor Porter were dragged from their homes in handcuffs by a squad set up to deal with terrorist threats were they.

For you to be claiming any sort of equivalence is ludicrous.

Pell had to face charges of forcing his penis into the mouth of a couple of choir boys, Porter was accused of raping a teenager, and Bolt finally got pulled up for demonstrable lies.

Yet none were treated like Kristo, none had their mothers rough handled either, all for the crime of twice approaching and addressing a politician in a public place.

And please can you accept there is a distinction between Friendly Jordies and Kristo in this. The defamation case is one thing but the thuggery and misuse of power directed at Kristo was way over the top and utterly dangerous to any notions of free speech and holding politicians to account.

Whet is worse is you lot of snowflakes doing your nana in some kind of grotesque parody of the 'me too' movement.

Give me a break.

Dear Canem Malum,

How dare you blaspheme the Bible and take the apostle's name in vain. What a callow and unChristian thing to do. Shame on you.

ANDRÁS

"This name derives from the Ancient Greek “Andréas”, which in turn derives from “andrós”, meaning “man, adult male, husband”. In turn the name means “manly and strong, courageous and warrior”. He was the first Apostle in the New Testament. It is traditionally popular because, according to the Christian Bible, Saint Andrew was one of the earliest disciples of Jesus and one of the twelve Apostles. Andrew the Apostle (6 b.C.–60 a.C.), called in the Orthodox tradition Protokletos, or the First-called, is a Christian Apostle and the brother of Saint Peter. The name “Andrew”, like other Greek names, appears to have been common among the Jews, Christians, and other Hellenized people of the region. No Hebrew or Aramaic name is recorded for him."

http://www.name-doctor.com/name-andras-meaning-of-andras-9517.html

Canem Malum: keep shooting messengers and offer nothing substantive....
Andras Smith,
CM always does offer valid & substantive comments. You simply need to get some life experience & learn how to digest such information, you'll find he is right !

To Individual- Thanks for your support- I try to offer valid & substantive comments- mostly I'm just passing on the wisdom of others. As I said to Andras Smith- your observations tell me about your nature- but in your case- it's a compliment. Kudos Individual.

Dear individual,

You write: “CM always does offer valid & substantive comments. You simply need to get some life experience & learn how to digest such information, you'll find he is right ! “

What?

So trying with obvious ill intent and likely deceit to label someone as potentially demonic is valid and substantive?

Mate you really do need to associate with a better class of people.

While I find CM's views largely hard right, sometimes really loopy, but mostly benign, it is the gratuitous swipes without basis on people like Andras that I find offensive.

Dear CM,

This is neither valid nor substantial.

“Andras. Alternatively named Andra-inanyas. In demonology, an unpleasant demon whose only directive was to hunt and kill men, aided by his henchman Flauros. According to the Goetia, Andras was a Grand Marquis of Hell, appearing with a winged angel's body and the head of an owl or raven, riding upon a strong black wolf and wielding a sharp and ...”

Don't worry all, Andras is actually Hungarian which CM et al. should respect like good little nativist conservatives acting as the praetorian guard for power.

Especially true in Hungary too with PM Orban (admired by white Christian Nationalists, far/alt right, Abbott, Sheridan et al.) for trampling on right to freedom of speech, assembly, thought, then managing consolidated media, hollowed out universities, funding empty churches etc.; yet ironically dependent upon EU funds to reward friends.

Meanwhile, same conservative supporters are blind to, or avert their gaze from, corruption, autocracy and incompetence. The difference with Australia is that Hungary e.g. megafones not dog whistles and corruption is more overt.

Like Hungary many Australian conservatives are panicking on upcoming elections.... (especially when in Hungary with Covid, empowered working age voters have returned in past year, many of the govt's. target cohort i.e. regional oldies have died due to incompetence and shambolic health system, then the govt. funds a PRC University (Fudan) after kicking out Soros's Hungarian CEU (snapped up by Vienna), the latter is not supported by a majority of conservative voters....

Seems to signify the fear that many conservatives have of upsetting power vs. holding power to account; doormats only needed for votes then passively roll over for bad policy enactment, very Australian.

Andras Smith,
Have you got permission to walk around freely ?

With ALTRAV shown the door, we only have CM now to pass on words of wisdom from the extreme right. A few others try, but unfortunately they fail.

SR wrote: "Neither, Pell, Bolt nor Porter were dragged from their homes in handcuffs by a squad set up to deal with terrorist threats were they.

For you to be claiming any sort of equivalence is ludicrous."

This is standard SR. Assert that since things aren't identical they are entirely different. Refuse to see let alone acknowledge that they have parallels.

As I said in my first post on this, the parallels are that the the legal system is now used to attack political opponents. The police and judiciary were used to 'get' Pell when mere evidence failed. The legal system was used and abused to silence Bolt's revelations about 'white aboriginals'. The legal system was used to create false questions about Porter that caused his downfall.

All of that was fine and dandy when only those on the right were targets. But those on the right do watch and learn. Inevitably those same tactics are used by them. And when they are the left screams at what they previously cheered.

But I doubt SR will understand that. He's too busy screaming at what he previously cheered

SR is such a crybaby.

Certainly the first case the FJ was screaming. The second he was shouting or screaming.

Considering your complete antipathy for freedom of speech, your hypocrisy in calling this a free speech issue is supreme. Note that FJ has not been stopped producing his vlog, but he will have to pay for the lies he's told, and threatening people.

Shadowminister,

Do catch up you flog. It was his producer who was arrested, handcuffed and dragged from his family home not Friendly Jordies. And now instead of waiting for the matter of any defamation against FJ himself to go to before the courts you are already claiming them as lies.

Dear mhaze,

Rubbish.

I fully accept there may well be an equivalence between the others and the suing of Friendly Jordies by Barilaro but most certainly not with the way Kristo was treated. I am glad to see most of his bail conditions removed but that doesn't excuse how over the top the authorities were in dealing with him. A whole different kettle of fish.

individual: What does this means 'Andras Smith, Have you got permission to walk around freely ?'

Not sure what the relevance of 'walking around freely' has to do with anything except being a glib or shallow deflector for corrupt, unethical and immoral white Christian nationalists (sounds like the LNP?).

Like Australia for Murdoch, Hungarian media has become consolidated by the govt. for PM Orban, and is now mostly supportive of white Christian nationalist issues, anti EU and anti Soros agitprop, masking much autocracy, corruption and decline in public services; majority of youth plan to emigrate.....

Meanwhile non compliant &/or non conservative journalists are also subjected to mischievous defamation actions and/or simply lose their jobs (familiar?) while outlets can be closed down or taken over by the state,then sold onto friends of the regime.

Literal response, yes you can walk around freely anywhere including Moscow, Istanbul, Tehran, Shanghai etc. where does this particular low level freedom not exist?

Andras Smith said- "Like Australia for Murdoch, Hungarian media has become consolidated by the govt. for PM Orban, and is now mostly supportive of white Christian nationalist issues, anti EU and anti Soros agitprop, masking much autocracy, corruption and decline in public services; majority of youth plan to emigrate....."

"Literal response, yes you can walk around freely anywhere including Moscow, Istanbul, Tehran, Shanghai etc. where does this particular low level freedom not exist?"

Answer-

Andras Smith said "white Christian nationalist issues"
As opposed to Communist Globalist Totalitarian Universalist (Nosy Sea Lion) issues.

China has been taking over the self government of Hong Kong- and appears to be using Chinese mainland immigration to dominate and pacify it. Are you allowed to travel between states in China without papers?? And China under Mao tens of millions of deaths outside of warfare. Tiananmen Square (under Deng Xiao Ping from memory) where tanks ran over hundreds of people- tracks sliding over "a blood slip and slide". Moscow- well nothing needs to be said of the black market warfare- the starvation after the revolution- a nation that took the concept of totalitarianism beyond imagination. Istanbul- the Muslim Fundamentalists are reversing the work of father Kamal Mustafa- perhaps they have a right to do this- government of the people and such- at least this is a cause based within their own ethnic identity- as long as it stays within their ethnic territory.

Fascinating...

It's a pity that we've lost ALTRAV from OLO. Probably a victim of "Google Tyranny".

SR you twat,

I listened to the vlog by FJ and he made claims of criminal conduct by John Barilaro with zero proof only innuendo. That is lying.

He will have his chance to actually prove this or face the consequences.

the relevance of 'walking around freely'
Andras Smith,
It's akin to Paul1405 walking around freely i.e. not contained within the boundaries of a funny farm !

SR wrote:

"Rubbish.

I fully accept there may well be an equivalence between the others and the suing of Friendly Jordies by Barilaro but most certainly not with the way Kristo was treated. "

So you now agree with me about the equivalence between your fallen (forlorn) hero and Pell, Bolt, Porter.

Equally I've never said anything pro or anti concerning the actual arrest mode.

So you agree that my one and only point was valid yet think that what I wrote was 'rubbish'.

What a berk.

Dear mhaze,

You do realise that Kristo and FJ are separate people don't you?

Interesting enough Bolt has come out raising concerns about Kristo's arrest. This should give permission for the rightwingers here to also question it.
http://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/andrew-bolt/violent-arrest-of-friendlyjordies-producer-disturbs-me-bolt/video/b4f53001f9ff1a22c78ce13e6005b9fa

It was announced today that his bail conditions have been modified yet again by the courts to allow him to walk past parliament house on his way to work.

SR,

I am surprised that you not only follow Bolt but agree with him.

As to the "violence" of the arrest, the question is to what degree did the individual resist the arrest which not surprisingly is not included in the video.

As for the reason behind the arrest, the police seem to think that Kristo is a sufficient threat.