Cumberland,

You offer no rebuttal to what I claim, nothing at all, just the standard flunky line; "You don't know what you're talking about." I'm willing to hear your argument I'm claiming large multinational drug companies who took billions in government money to develop covid-19 vaccines are now withholding production. The supply is being manipulated by these multinationals based on a countries ability to pay, their aim being to maximise profits for the already mega rich Capitalist owners. If these greedy multinationals were to release the so called "intellectual property" they are holding over these vaccines then production world wide would quadruple and millions of lives would be saved. The only losers would be these big multinational drug companies who would take a hit to their bottom line.

Indy,

As you well know, I am not a Communist, just a moderate progressive socialists believing in a liberal style democracy with its mix of Capitalism and Socialism. I am in favour of Capitalist making a reasonable profit, but in this case its blatant exploitation and manipulation with the goal of maximising profits for a few of the underserving mega rich, whilst millions will die for the sake of it.

Hassy,

With enough people immunised in the community, then herd immunity is achieved, plus the benefit of those vaccinated at worse developing a low level infection which is not life threating for the majority.

maximising profits for a few of the underserving mega rich, whilst millions will die for the sake of it.
Paul1405,
Next time you walk through a Western society shopping mall, take note how many of those Mega rich are obese & tattooed slobs complaining because there are fewer than 20 types of milk or fewer than 15 types of Tomato sauce !

Paul1405

You think government is the ultimate suptremo indispensible health decision-maker, remember?

You're showing complete ignorance or confusion.

Which?

Well Cumberland,

You cannot rebuke what I have said, just ask a silly ideological based question about my thinking in relation to government. Capitalists killing millions is nothing new, they have been doing so for aeons, withholding food and lifesaving medicines etc from the poor of the world, all based on their ability to pay. Much of the worlds over production of these vital comedies is down to government investment in R and D. Once picked up by Capitalists they are exploited through a so called "free market" to maximise profits. The poor of the world miss out and die, that's just the reality. Australia is as guilty of this practice as any other developed nation.

"You cannot rebuke [rebut?] what I have said".

Just like you couldn't rebut my pointing out that your original assertion about let-it-rip policies in India was bonkers.

Don't rebut. Just pretend to not notice. Good idea.

Paul1405

I don't need to refute what you're saying, because you're failing to recognise the extent to which it is all an artefact of governmental action.

That's why you're trying to slither out of my question - because the ideological silliness is all your own.

According to you, government has a responsibility, and a superior competence to make decisions about health, right?

Yes? What's your answer? Don't evade. Don't slither. Just answer the question.

And it includes the right and power to suppress people's freedom of choice to buy and sell safer and more effective *generic* medicines, in which no question of intellectual property arises, by legislation and policy, i.e. by threatening people with being imprisoned? Yes? That's your ideology, right?

Answer.

So by doing so, governments have enabled, facilitated and enforced the situation you describe, where corporations have a corrupt interest in promoting GENERIC medicines that are LESS safe and effective than the ones their governmental enablers JUST HAPPENED to suppress in favour of the big corporations, for some mysterious reason, that your theory TOTALLY FAILS to explain.

So since governments, according to you, must be presumed to be of superior competence in making health decisions, and since the corporations stood to profit unjustly from the corrupt licence that governments granted them, then you admit that your theory and ideolgoy are completely invalid and incompetent, and THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT - that your theory doesn't make sense. All you have said is just a jumble of confusion and self-contradiction, backed up by evasion.

See what you have failed to understand is that prices are a market phenomenon, and arise out of the interplay of people's subjective wants in enterng the market, and supply and demand. There is NO WAY that government can know, or show any objective criterion, by which it distinguishes the market process from the alleged fair, or just, or reasonable price.

So you're confused. You SAY you want "liberal democracy", but what you're actually supporting is totalitarian fascism, and then complaining about what your brainwashed ideology produces.