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Massive pay increases for Union heavies

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Some sectors are not suffering from the pandemic recession.

Union bosses have their snouts firmly in the trough.

"CFMEU officials working for the John Setka-led construction division received remuneration increases of $49,000 and $61,000 in the same period the militant union leader was under pressure to resign.

Disclosure statements filed with the Registered Organisations Commission show Derek Christopher, the CFMEU’s Victorian construction division senior vice-president received $246,918 in the year last March, a 32 per cent ­increase on the $185,848 he ­declared in the previous 12 months.

Elias Sprenovasilis, the union’s Victorian construction division assistant secretary received $240,994 in the same period, a 26 per cent rise on the $191,315 he declared during the previous year."
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 11 March 2021 3:03:15 AM
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I wonder what they get in "benefits" on top of that ! Is it any wonder the Australian manufacturing industry is virtually non-existent ?
What these Union bosses get paid officially is still peanuts in comparison to Govt Bureaucrats who get paid by our tax Dollars.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 11 March 2021 7:29:48 AM
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As long as gullible workers keep signing up to corrupt and largely useless unions, the "union heavies" will continue to do what they have always done. Given that fewer workers belong to unions these days, the gullible ones are certainly contributing a lot to the people ripping them off. Being ripped off by unions is no different from being ripped off by Nigerian tricksters on the 'phone, or any of the other scams losers are always running to A Current Affair with.

You don't have to do it. You don't have to pay up or join up. You will not get any sympathy for your own foolishness.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 11 March 2021 8:38:39 AM
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What this confirms is that the unions are primarily focused on lining their pockets and furthering their political careers. The workers simply get screwed.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 11 March 2021 9:20:56 AM
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"What this confirms is that the unions are primarily focused on lining their pockets and furthering their political careers. The workers simply get screwed."

Yes, it does. And whose fault is that? There is no compulsion to join a union, and we do have a system of industrial law to protect workers from unscrupulous employers. Workers can protect themselves from unscrupulous unions by not joining them. I believe that a majority of workers are now doing just that.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 11 March 2021 10:52:26 AM
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shonkyminister, how about giving us a look at those "Disclosure statements filed with the Registered Organisations Commission". Nothing on their website concerning your claim. Where did you get it from?
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 11 March 2021 6:06:26 PM
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Meh.

The Victorian division has around 100 full time staff. An experienced CEO could expect to pull in excess of $200,000 at that kind of levels.

I know of two people in civil engineering who are making those kind of figures as high end machinery operators.

Excavator operators in the mines are pulling $65 per hour as a base rate putting them in the $200,000 plus bracket working just 35 weeks of the year.

Not sure why you are getting so stirred up about it.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 11 March 2021 6:37:35 PM
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The totally useless slug, LINDA REYNOLD, is on a base pay of $364,406 plus a swag of taxpayer funded goodies. The bloke claiming stress leave, Christian Porter is on a base pay of $369,687 plus lurks and perks. Unbelievable, based on that pair of drop kicks, the union guys should be on a skillion dollars a year.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 11 March 2021 8:09:06 PM
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SR,

The mines are well known for their vast pay packages for difficult work in remote places, but the trade union bosses are not based at the mines.

The union bosses' getting up to 20% increases on already large packages when the rest of the country is getting zero to 3% is a little rich.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 12 March 2021 10:46:07 AM
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shonkyminister, I ask again;

shonkyminister, how about giving us a look at those "Disclosure statements filed with the Registered Organisations Commission". Nothing on their website concerning your claim. Where did you get it from?

Not saying so, but did you make it up?
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 12 March 2021 2:04:49 PM
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the union guys should be on a skillion dollars a year.
Paul1405,
They should be on what the people whose money they collect are on !
Posted by individual, Friday, 12 March 2021 8:43:54 PM
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Indy,

I was shocked just as you were to hear, AGED PENSIONERS will be getting a massive increase this month, but not just that! More la grosse in the form of a huge cash bonus which no doubt will be spent by the undeserving old folks on booze, fags and pokies down at gods waiting room! They may even use taxpayer funds to play BINGO!
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 13 March 2021 7:13:10 AM
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Paul1405,
With your Union salary you should be paying even more tax to beef up our Pension !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 13 March 2021 7:26:53 AM
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The unions are just a huge gravy train that works more like organised crime than organised labour.

The unions pay thugs and standover men what senior executives get in companies and pay the Labor party protection money to ensure that they are never taken to task and can get away with murder.

The 20% to 30% increases they have awarded themselves when their union members pay large union fees and get 1% wage increases is corrupt.
Posted by shadowminister, Saturday, 13 March 2021 11:30:09 AM
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shonkyminister,

Yet to name the source of your original claim, did you make it up? It looks like you did. There is nothing on the Registered Organisations Commission web site that I can see, supporting your claim. Are you LYING?

How is this for big rip-offs!

John Guscic, Webjet, $16,498,937.
Greg Goodman, Goodman Group, $14,967,391.
Robert Kelly, Steadfast Group, $14,419,677.
Alan Joyce, Qantas Airways, $12,217,400.
Colin Goldschmidt, Sonic Healthcare, $11,912,450.
JS Jacques, Rio Tinto, $10,323,975.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 13 March 2021 1:13:36 PM
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Pauliar,

You lie so often you assume that everyone else is as mendacious as you. Because you are incompetent at finding the information you idiotically assume that it is not there.

Here's a hint I posted the information within "" which means that it is a quote from an article in a publication far more reputable than anything you quote.

Obviously, you think that parasites of organisations whose members are deserting in droves need a 30% increase in the middle of a recession.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 14 March 2021 4:50:11 AM
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shonkyminister, the use of "" proves nothing more than you know your way around your wonky keyboard. As for the old furphy you posted, there is only two possibilities, one, YOU made it up, or two, YOU got it from one of those contemptuous rags of Murdoch's you subscribe to. What's it to be, a direct lie from YOU, or an indirect lie from a far right peddler of garbage.

You call me Pauliar, here's you chance to get one up..
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 14 March 2021 5:23:18 AM
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Pauliar,

You are a contemptible liar, not only do you frequent post stuff that you know to be false but when challenged laughingly admit that you do so to wind people up.

To call me a liar, you first need to show that what I have posted is incorrect. If you can definitively show what these parasites are earning and the increases they received, then I will happily repudiate my post, but until then I have the choice between believing a reputable news organisation that independently checks its facts before publishing or a mendacious fwit of a troll that just doesn't like what I post.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 14 March 2021 6:06:10 AM
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shonkyminister, if it was my intention to wind you up, which it is not, I certainly have succeeded with your venomous outburst of calling me a "mendacious fwit of a troll". I take no exception at that petulant outburst, its only when you start throwing the "P" word around I take exception. I see one of your posts directed towards me has been deleted.

Now on this matter, you are by my reckoning a poster of double standards. On the Porter matter, a woman said she was raped by Porter, applying you spin and logic to things, Porter needs to provide evidence its not true. You demand I supply evidence that your unsubstantiated claim on this topic is not true, although there is no source supplied by you to its origin that can be checked, simply your word, which is worthless at the best of times.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 14 March 2021 7:41:53 AM
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Pauliar,

Actually, the double standards are yours.

I posted information directly from a news article and you with absolutely zero evidence called be a liar. You have not put up a single shred of evidence that what I put up is not true even when I said that I would be happy to withdraw my comment if you did.

I am very careful to post from reliable sources, and almost without exception when you challenge me you are wrong. That you are a liar and a troll is exactly what you have admitted to, and the other refers to your desire to bullsh1t people and think that you can get away with it indefinitely.

This is the time, either put or shut up. Show me the evidence or retreat under your rock
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 14 March 2021 3:18:13 PM
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"I (shonkyminister) posted information directly from a news article". Nothing in your opening post makes any reference to a news article what so ever. For anyone knows it could have come from your union bashing granny, who read it in the tea leaves. If you have this great news source why not post the name. I've checked both the Registered Organisations Commission web site, and the CFMEU (Victoria) web site and nothing about this claim of yours what so ever.

On the CFMEU web site I did find this which should interest you.

The $2 million golden handshake paid to outgoing Boral chief executive Mike Kane has been labelled immoral by CFMEU State Secretary John Setka.

Mr Setka said the $2.037m departure gift to the Boral boss - who has waged a witch hunt against the CFMEU - was an affront to hard-working Australians.

“While millions of Australians struggle in COVID times, Mike Kane walks away with a $2 million handshake for a job far from well done,” Mr Setka said.

You are happy to see corporate and political crooks get away with millions, yet have a shot at hard working union officials.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 14 March 2021 3:54:38 PM
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Pauliar,

Once again you are lying. I put the quote from the articles within quotation marks which for most people (illiterate morons aside) means a quotation from another source, which I have been doing for the past 13 years on this site without query for yourself or others.

Secondly, you have still failed to produce any figures that contradict what I quoted.

The issue is that in the times of Covid, the Fwit union leaders that are supposed to be fighting for their workers have given themselves 30% increases while their workers are losing their jobs and facing 1% increases.

It is no surprise that people want to split from the CFMEU and working people are deserting them.
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 15 March 2021 5:05:44 AM
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shadowminister, " which I have been doing for the past 13 years on this site without query for yourself or others." A quick check reveals you have been posting only since 10th August 2020, about 6 months, not 13 years. Well what did I say about you exaggerating the figures. I note your very first post was an attack on my good self, as have been many since. I can only put that down to the fact my even-handed moderate views are too much for you of the rabid right, so be it. As for sources, when you have provided a link, it generally been to an extreme right-wing publication, is this simply more of the same, thus your reticence to disclose your source. I think so!
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 15 March 2021 9:04:12 AM
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Pauliar,

While you convincingly pretend to be a moron, (a common symptom for pedogreens) you are simply lying again, I assume part of your rabid left whinge agenda. You know that Shadow Minister and shadowminister are same person, but some obscure reason think that lying makes you sound better.

I post information from a variety of sources including the most trusted news agencies such as Newscorp. I notice that your almost complete failure to post links or quotes is due to the exposure of facts make you look like a lying troll.
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 15 March 2021 10:22:35 AM
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shonkyminister,

Are you Richard Nixon reincarnated? Do you work for the 'Washington Post' and is your source Deep Throat. That's about as plausible as your continued dodging of the question of your so called source.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 15 March 2021 3:35:43 PM
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Pauliar,

I am enjoying watching you twist in the wind. As any half-competent person can google it in 15 seconds.

The fact is that you are not even half-competent and couldn't find your arse with both hands and a flashlight.

Bring me evidence that I am wrong otherwise simply admit that you screwed up yet again.
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 7:35:14 AM
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"Disclosure statements filed with the Registered Organisations Commission show Derek Christopher, the CFMEU’s Victorian construction division senior vice-president received $46,918 in the year last March, a 32 per cent ­decrease on the $85,848 he ­declared in the previous 12 months."

Elias Sprenovasilis, the union’s Victorian construction division assistant secretary received $40,994 in the same period, a 26 per cent drop on the $91,315 he declared during the previous year."
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 7:58:30 AM
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Pauliar,

Resorting to fraud now? Taking my quote and then changing the numbers is not only patently obvious but also a massive lie.

Have you ever done time for stuff like this?
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 10:19:49 AM
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BUT shonkyminister the "..." are there and its not like I've been posting for only 6 months like you, I've been posting for 11 years and no one has ever questioned my quotation marks! Are you questioning my quotation marks? No one has ever questioned my quotation marks! Let pray to the god of truth, Rupert, for his forgiveness of you questioning of my quotation marks.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 12:42:54 PM
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Pauliar,

The quotation was by a complete moron. Not only was the forgery blatant, but the maths was done by a simpleton.

Whoever you quoted was a complete twat.
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 3:08:19 PM
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