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A Despots' Dream

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The China virus is every would-be despots’ dream, according to Alastair Pope, writing in Quadrant Online 16/2/21. Many of us have thought something similar, but we don’t get to say so in a prestigious magazine widely read by a discerning and, yes, conservative audience that doesn’t see its views published in the main stream media.

The virus has everything they, the “would-be despots” could hope for. It turns people into “sheeple” who are relieved to be “in the care of such devoted shepherds” who “bleat their gratitude in unison”.


One of the guilty , Daniel Andrews, is even up for a leadership award.

The main stream media has helped the fear campaign along from the very beginning with scary reporting about the China being the worst thing ever - more dangerous than “An invasion by flesh-eating aliens ….”.

Pope gives his reasons for his beliefs in detail, and points to the apparent “remarkable curative properties” of the China virus against other diseases, including influenza, which have all experienced a statistical plunge. “Who knew”, he writes, “COVID could cure so many other blights on humanity”.

A lengthy article, but well worth the read as our would-be despots ‘fumble’ and ‘bumble’; or, are they not fumbling and bumbling but using this “unique opportunity” (Prince Charles) to get more control over us?
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 10:34:13 AM
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ttbn,

If you ever want to get to the truth of anything just get Soot Morrison to ask Jen.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 1:03:33 PM
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Not only a godsend for those of an authoritarian bent but also a guide. Its been quite amazing how meekly Australians surrendered to the so-called 'emergency measures'.

Terrified and lied to by governments and media and some of the medical fraternity, Australians became mere pawns in a game of brinkmanship. Lives were ripped apart, the life work of many destroyed and yet still we rolled over.

Initially told the lockdowns were just there to flatten the curve, this was conveniently and obediently forgotten at the bequest of the leadership. Initially told that masks had little efficacy, people obediently forgot that when the leadership changed their mind to the point where those who remembered it were vilified as anti-social.

If you think this is the last 'emergence' where 'emergency powers' will be invoked, you have little understanding of history or our current leadership class.

Freedoms hard won, and easily surrendered will not be retrieved any time soon.


As an aside, and commenting on the lockdowns...there was a survey done t'other day asking people what would happen if the public servants/politicians were required to take a 20% pay cut whenever a lockdown was enforced. 82% said that there'd never be a lockdown again. The depressing thing about that is that people realise its all smoke and mirrors, yet they submissively go along with it.
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 4:39:20 PM
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Dear mhaze,

What a load of pious codswallop.

You on the hard right surrendered any relevance on erosion of rights when you allowed your fear of women in Burkas to wave through incredibly powerful and authoritarian security laws in this country.

How on earth does staying within 5 kms of your home for a week equate to allowing 10 year olds to be held without charge for 14 days?

Or having whistle blowers face secret trails to answer to trumped up charges, or having members of the press raided with impunity.

All of this you lot have given your blessing. But now, in step with 'it's only a flu' mentality, you are calling Andrews a dictator.

Deeply hypocritical.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 6:36:33 PM
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Poor old SR is becoming increasingly deranged as his beloved Chairman Dan flounders.

Now SR is just making stuff up - stuff-up being the operative word.

For example he asks (!) "How on earth does staying within 5 kms of your home for a week equate to allowing 10 year olds to be held without charge for 14 days?"

Well it doesn't, which is why I never said it. It a bit like accusing someone of equating the sun and the moon and then thinking you've made a valid point. That probably works in the infants playground.

He then accuses me of calling Andrews a dictator even though I didn't mention Andrews nor call anyone a dictator.

"All of this you lot have given your blessing. "

I'd ask SR to offer proof of that idiotic claim. But I know it'd be futile since proof doesn't exist and SR never offers support for his spittle laden rants.

Hilariously SR has me living in fear of women in Burkas. Again without the slightest attempt at evidence.

I would point out to SR that this country doesn't have any laws against the Burka. What he needs to worry about is us having laws against the Berk, because then he'd be in real trouble.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 18 February 2021 7:05:55 AM
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"Poor old SR is becoming increasingly deranged as his beloved Chairman Dan flounders."

Totally agree. An irrelevant and inane rant from SR. No sense to it. I can only repeat that SR is one of the narcissists here who should be ignored. They can't operate without an audience.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 18 February 2021 7:24:17 AM
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Dear mhaze,

Mate, when I say you lot on the right that doesn't mean you individually, it means as a collective. I would however like to see where you have ever kicked back against Dutton's freedom stripping laws.

If Trump has shown anything it is how your lot just fawn over authoritarian figures. Authoritarian by its very definition is about weakening freedoms.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 19 February 2021 2:24:23 PM
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I thoroughly agree with Steele, Andrews has done a good job under very difficult conditions and most of the errors can be laid at the feet of totally incompetent and selfish fools.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 19 February 2021 2:35:41 PM
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Is Mise,

Andrews is the boss; he has to take responsibility for your 'incompetent fools'. But, unlike you, I think he is not so much a fool himself as he is a very bad man and a tyrant. Six more cases today. His methods are not working. Unfortunately, the opposition in Victoria seems to be in a coma. Like Morrison, Andrews has the job only because the alternative is useless.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 19 February 2021 3:12:45 PM
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I should have said 'despot' in line with the title. Daniel Andrews is a despot.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 19 February 2021 3:21:17 PM
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Is Mise,

I forgot to ask. How can you say that Despot Dan has done a good job with 800 deaths in Victoria and less than 60 altogether in the rest of the country. That's got me really whacked coming from a generally sensible bloke like you.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 19 February 2021 3:53:02 PM
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A breathless report on SkyNews has that other Covid nutter, WA premier McGowan, enjoying "never before seen" (according to Newspoll) popularity, making him a shoo-in for the coming election. The Liberals could be "left with two seats in the next parliament". Wow. If it's true. Only 10% of the Sandgropers like the opposition leader. Again, wow if it is true.

But,given the poll's regular stuff ups, and the fact that such organisations, like the media and the technology controllers, now try to steer us rather than inform us, the whole thing could be codswallop like predictions for the last federal election. If it is true, the voters are sillier than the political class, and deserve what's coming.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 20 February 2021 7:33:31 AM
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Daniel Andrews has a Bill in the Parliament this week, to extend
Victoria’s State of Emergency right throughout 2021, and I think it’s a bad idea.
I don’t think any politician, especially not the current Premier, should have that amount of control over your life.
But I want to hear from you. Do you support the government extending the State of Emergency powers from 12 months to 21 months?

Have your say.
http://www.michaelobrien.com.au/have-your-say-labors-state-of-emergency-extension/?utm_source=social&utm_medium=video&utm_campaign=soe&fbclid=IwAR3PL0683uN8Zr08kG44zl-PWxS4o1CfFjbUq3h9GzfqXm2ab6ff4EZDFSA
Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 20 February 2021 8:52:59 AM
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SR write: "Mate, when I say you lot on the right that doesn't mean you individually, it means as a collective."

Well, pal, you addressed the post directly to me. What we have here is SR, having been asked to support his assertions with evidence, running for cover. Standard operating procedure for SR.

I'm not part of a collective. Never have been. I don't form opinions based upon my or any other perceived group.

I don't have a 'lot'. I know that'll be hard for people like SR who desperately want to have the protection of the herd, but nonetheless.

Just asserting Trump is authoritarian doesn't make it so, although that's what the herd 'thinks'. Its projection on steroids.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 20 February 2021 9:35:43 AM
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The ABC has reported ABS figures that show record numbers of people leaving cities with draconian reactions to the virus. Melbourne leads with an increase of a factor of 8 for the quarter.

Hobart, Perth, Darwin and Adelaide have remained steady, an indicator of where people feel safer.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 20 February 2021 10:31:16 AM
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Dear mhaze,

Of course you are a part of a group. Polling has only 1 in 5 Australians supportive of Trump's reelection. That is about the figure for the hard right. You were most ardent about your deep affection for the man which puts you in a fifth of that fifth.

Trump's authoritarian streak has been widely discussed and is evident except in his most fawning devotees like yourself.

http://www.justsecurity.org/70544/trumps-moves-are-right-out-of-the-authoritarian-playbook/

http://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-09-20/trump-s-running-mate-is-authoritarianism

http://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/trump-proved-authoritarians-can-get-elected-america/617023/
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 20 February 2021 10:57:56 AM
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Melbourne leads with an increase of a factor of 8 for the quarter.
ttbn,
An indicator of certain people taking advantage of COVID-19 to other areas without up front suspicion !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 20 February 2021 4:05:23 PM
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Dear individual,

Indeed.

Sydney lost the most people in the latest figures with 22,416 leaving against Melbourne's 21,850. The factor of 8 quote you put was made in an ABC report which also stated:

"Sydney experienced the biggest loss of people during the September quarter, however, the data shows this trend had been happening to some extent even before the pandemic."

You do need to be careful when you quote statistics and should check the sources where you can.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 20 February 2021 4:35:34 PM
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http://www.facebook.com/VicLibLeader/videos/1603907576466081
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 22 February 2021 4:02:57 PM
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