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Brexit ramifications in Scotland and Ireland

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Calls for Scottish independence has not been stronger in decades and the desire for it to join the EU has 2:1 support.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-55803103

Strong voices are heard about the climate now being right for a reunification of the two Irelands.

Those who have seemingly played into the hands of Britain's principle enemy, namely the Russian state, look like getting to see a further unraveling after Brexit. Trump has also allowed for an embolden Russia.

"The threats to Europe have not diminished. In recent years, Russia has strengthened its forces facing NATO. In early June, Moscow said that it had reinforced its Western Military District, adding about 3,000 men and 90 tanks to the First Guards Tank Army (which had itself been reactivated in 2014, and already had between 35,000 and 50,000 troops and 500-600 tanks). Trumpís announcement of troop reductions in Germany came soon afterwards."

All going swimmingly to plan thanks a raft of useful idiots.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 30 January 2021 7:04:18 PM
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Scotland is a burden on the UK. It should be cut adrift to defend for itself.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 31 January 2021 7:42:51 AM
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TTbn,

Presumably Scotland will seek to join the EU as an independent state (for the time being) within minutes of a positive referendum outcome.

And similarly, all of Ireland will become one country within the EU.

So if anything, it may be that England (and perhaps Wales?) will be cut adrift. That will please the EU AND the English: win-win.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Sunday, 31 January 2021 10:06:04 AM
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The Scots would be dumb enough to actually join something that the UK has just rejected, and something other countries are now regretting they signed up to. Now that the Brits have had the courage to give the flick to the Brussels dictatorship, others might do the same and start trading with Australia rather than China.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 31 January 2021 10:17:13 AM
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A bit of comedy on a Sunday morning is always welcome.

"Britain's principle enemy, namely the Russian state..."

I think the Obamessiah said it best..." And the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years.[now 30 years]"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0IWe11RWOM

" the desire for it to join the EU has 2:1 support..."

Well that's so. But the desire to separate from the UK has DEclined since Brexit was finally implemented.

"Trumpís announcement of troop reductions in Germany came soon afterwards...."

And the decision to INcrease troop levels in Poland, which for the clueless is CLOSER to Russia, was announced at the same time. But let's not complicate the narrative with the facts, eh?

" Trump has also allowed for an embolden Russia."

Despite the fact that there isn't the slightest scintilla of evidence that Trump did anything to help Russia or was enthralled to Russia, those who just want it to be true continue to believe it.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 31 January 2021 11:09:03 AM
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Dear mhaze,

As a useful idiot for the Russians you are top notch.

Thankfully the UK Intelligence and Security Commission is not downplaying the threat.

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The committee said Russian influence in the UK was now "the new normal", and the UK was a "top Western intelligence target" for the state, only behind Nato and US.

ISC member, Stewart Hosie, told reporters the government "took its eye off the ball, because of its focus on counterterrorism", adding: "The government had badly underestimated the response required to the Russian threat, and is still playing catch up."

In its report, the group said UK was "clearly a target" for disinformation campaigns around its elections, but that the issue was described as a "hot potato", with no one organisation taking a lead to tackle it.

The report criticised intelligence agencies for not taking action during the EU referendum, despite there being "credible open source commentary" suggesting "influence campaigns" from the Russians during the Scottish independence referendum in 2014.

And it said the government only "belatedly realised the level of threat which Russia could pose" after the so-called "hack and leak" operation against the Democrats in the 2016 US election, calling it a "game changer".

The committee said: "Had the relevant parts of the intelligence community conducted a similar threat assessment prior to the [EU] referendum, it is inconceivable that they would not have reached the same conclusion as to Russian intent, which might then have led them to take action to protect the process."

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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-53484344
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 31 January 2021 1:33:06 PM
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