Since the Election Trump has claimed the Election was "Stolen".

A few hours ago:

"Protesters overpowered Capitol Police and stormed the building. "The president invited us here and we're not leaving,” another protester shouted."

See http://news.yahoo.com/trump-supporters-storm-congress-halting-electoral-vote-certification-debate-200312508.html

Does anyone support Trump now?

Dear plantagenet,

It will be interesting to see who accepts they were wrong in supporting Trump or will they continue to double down.

I put this to Josephus on another thread:

Dear Josephus,

Given what is happening at Capitol Hill at the moment do you feel in any way culpable as part of the malcontents propagating unsubstantiated tripe from groups like the Epoch Times?

As this former KGB operative put it ideological subversion/active measures have been deployed against America:

“to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interests of defending themselves, their families, their community and their country”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA&ab_channel=PersianAtheist

Of course there has been deep interference by Russia enabled by Trump in the elections, but Trump himself deploys a number of similar techniques albeit less refined. His admiration of Putin has yielded to him a skill set which he has used to turn his standard bluff and bluster into a tool to twist public perception in order to deflect, inflame and incite.

His use of useful idiots in this endeavour has been quite something to see. His ability to take bog standard people and turn them into front line apologists and propagandists is remarkable.

America will need to do far more to secure itself and its institutions against another Trump and entities like the Russians.

Meanwhile I hope you give yourself a chance to reflect on your role in this.

Dear Pete,

So sad.

So very sad. Even Trump's Vice-President Pence, has
backed away from carrying out Trump's wishes.
What kind of a legacy will Trump leave behind?
What a shame.

Hi SteeleRedux

Yes it'll be also interesting to see what those other Trumpsters make of Trump Supporters' storming the Capitol Building.

As you have implied the very bright ex-KGB officer Putin, directing Russia Inc, has been cultivating Trump for years before and during Trump's Presidency.

Putin has appealed to Trump's base Motivations, which are Greater Fame and Fortune, in place of loyalty to America.

In respect of the latter Venal-Fortune, motivation see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization#Financing :

"in 2016. Trump's eldest son, Donald Jr., was quoted as saying at a 2008 New York real estate conference,

"In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets...We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia."

James Dodson, a golf magazine writer, said that during a 2014 golf game, he asked Trump's son Eric how the Organization was funding its golf resort acquisitions, to which Trump responded,

"Well, we don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia." Eric Trump later denied making the statement..."
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Hi Foxy

Yes Pence is patriotic and level headed compared to Trump. Pence will need to step in to handle the damage caused by Trump until Inauguration Day, which is Thursday 21 January our time.

After the 21st Trump has left Biden a bitter legacy including:

1. a polarised, radicalised, always gun-"happy", American society,

2. a damaged US economy, due to Trump's "Covid will disappear by Easter 2020" mistakes and

3. Covid Crisis Death Rates will spike higher due to the viral legacy of Trump's heartless Presidential handling of the Covid Crisis.

Trumpsters will blame Biden for 1, 2 and 3 not their Führer Trump.

Dear Pete,

21st January can't come soon enough.

I trust that one day - Trump will be merely added
to the ash heap of history and be just a distant memory
from which future generations can learn.

LIVE UPDATE
as at 11.50 Australian Eastern Time: http://news.yahoo.com/live-congress-counts-electoral-votes-georgia-senate-runoffs-trump-pence-134705945.html

• Violence and chaos quickly unfolded in Washington, D.C., Wednesday as hundreds of President Trump’s supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol [THE US CONGRESS "PARLIAMENT" BUILDING]

, forcing lockdowns as Congress was convening a joint session to count the certified Electoral College votes affirming Joe Biden’s election victory.

• Some breached hallways, offices and even the Senate chamber, forcing evacuations. Others broke windows to get inside.

• Capitol police were seen with guns drawn inside in an armed standoff near the door to the House floor.

• A woman [IDENTITY UNKNOWN] who appeared to have been shot was taken away from the scene by first responders. According to multiple reports, she later died.

• Mayor Muriel Bowser ordered a 6 p.m. ET citywide curfew, and the D.C. National Guard was activated.

• Members of Congress vowed to continue the joint session once the Capitol was cleared.

• TRUMP, who had spoken at a rally earlier in the day URGING DEMONSTRATORS TO SURROUND THE CAPITOL [BUILDING]

, was reportedly watching the mayhem unfold from the White House dining room.

• Vice President Mike Pence, who was presiding over the vote count, called on those who illegally entered the Capitol Building to leave immediately.

• President-elect Biden called on Trump to “step up” and condemn his supporters who breached the Capitol.

• Trump released a video telling demonstrators to “go home,” but repeated his false claims that the election was “stolen from us.”

• [one piece of good news :( ] Associated Press projected that [Democrat] Jon Ossoff will win his runoff in Georgia, beating incumbent GOP Sen. David Perdue and

GIVING DEMOCRATS POLITICAL CONTROL OF THE US SENATE.

Yes, I still support Trump. He didn't cause the riot, the Democrats eventually provoked Trump supporters after 4 years of lawlessness including mob violence and deaths in multiple US cities. The Dems were rioting from the moment he was elected.

There is evidence of substantial electoral fraud - whether enough to overturn the election, we will never know by the way things are going.

There were star chamber prosecutions of Trump officials on trumped-up charges, not to mention a three year attempt to impeach Trump for Russian collusion which the impeachers knew to be a false allegation. The Trump campaign was illegally surveilled by the FBI before the election.

There was the lawlessness of the refusal of various Democrat-appointed officials at various levels to enforce legislation they didn't like.

Much of the media refused to carry relevant information to try to bury Trump, and that media includes privileged platforms like Twitter that are free from defamation laws because they claim to be open public space.

And on and on.

And then there is Joe Biden, a corrupt politician who was even recorded boasting about extorting the Ukrainian president using a $1 Billion US loan. A man who flew his son to China on Airforce 2, whose said son returned with over $1 billion worth of investment from the Chinese Communist Party, in which Joe was to share.

I'm not in the US, but the protestors have my sympathy - I'd be angry at this miscarriage of Democracy - although I'd be with Trump and urge them to go home atm, or at least stay well-away from the Capitol.

Its interesting how Trumpsters blame everything and everyone, except Trump.

Yes, Trump's personal Quest has certainly been disrupted by the Free and Fair Election he Lost.

Trump Inc's fortune is certainly threatened by the Court Cases that await Trump after 21st Jan (our time).

This disturbance is no different from that started by crazy Democrats and Trump-haters is general. It's America, where there is a long tradition of voter fraud and high emotion that is so unlike anything in Australia. There will be more fuss made of this by the Trump-haters than was made of the BLM riots that have been described as, in part, as cheap real estate acquisition by a former US government Housing Secretary. Businesses are closed down, and damage to buildings is so bad that they need too be torn down, to be bought up by real estate barons secretly, or directly, supporting the rioters.

The courts have ignored legitimate calls for an investigation into the voter fraud that is a matter of course in America. Frustrations are bound to boil over, given the American temperament, which is not like our own just because they speak a form of the English language. America is well ahead of Australia in being ruined by multiculturalism and violence.

I just watched on TV as the US Congress declared Donald Trump the worst president in American history.

I've read an old article in Politico (2017) that
explained - "Donald Trump received his strongest
support among Americans who felt that whites and
Christians faced a "great deal of discrimination."

"One of the biggest predictors of voting for Trump
after party affiliation was the rejection of
political correctness. Trump voters felt silenced."

Be that as it may. It did not get Trump elected
regardless of what Trump keeps saying. Votes have been
counted and re-counted and no evidence of fraud has been
found. Even Mike Pence has stood his ground on accepting
the voters decision.

Joe Biden is the next US President. Trump should simply
accept it graciously just as Hilary Clinton did when Trump
won.

Political understanding might stand a chance if we could
put aside the argument over who has the bigger problems.
Truth is - we all do

Hi ttbn

Once Trumpters (like you) believe Trump's "Truth" Rants, everything follows logically and believably into place.

Trump says "Election Stolen" then that is enough "Truth" for you.

All else against Trump Truth is a lie. Lack of evidence doesn't count.

Lack of Evidence merely means It's Been So Well Hidden - for people like you.

Something about Trump's German forebear who blamed Jews for all Germany's ills is like Trump now.
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I note Trumpsters are now thin on the ground, disputing the Trump Induced Storming of America's Capitol-Parliament building.

Are Trumpsters now EX-Trumpters, who now realise what we OLO-Centrists have been on about Trump, for 4 long years?

WHY SO FEW TRUMPSTERS COMMENTING NOW?!

Evidence of voter fraud appears to be lacking, but it has been suppressed, not the least by corrupt courts/bought judges and the disgusting media.

I can't find anything saying that Congress found Trump to be the worst president. By 'Congress' is every congressman meant; a majority of the Congress; only the Democrat side - or what?

If you believe the Democrats have the future in Biden / Harris then you are mistaken of what the History of America stands for.

America will never sell its soul to Communism as in Joes cozying up to support China, and his reversal of Trumps decision not to allow Iran Nuclear weapons. Democrats return to funding abortion till birth and the use of baby body parts for sale, and the cancel culture and the woke movement in defining language and restricting free expression.

Americans have given their lives for freedom, and they are not willing to surrender now.

It is quite dreadful the scenes being shown on
television about what's happening in America.
Quite insane. And as Joe pointed out - surely
Trump must be breaking laws and should be put out of
harm's way. The 25th Ammendment could be brought
into effect.

You Trump-haters remind me of Rowan Atkinson's comment that the cancel culture, which you all believe in, is like a mediaeval mob looking for someone to burn. After Trump, who will you hiss and spit at next? You won't be able survive without someone to hate. Next time, try to find someone in Australia who might care what you rabbits think. Making idiots of yourself over a foreign politician who doesn't even know that you exist makes you pretty stupid. Your irrelevant cackling and emoting dulls you to the fact that you are being done up the backsides by local politicians.

Headlines in today's "The Australian" - (7/01/2021)
Trump knows exactly what he is doing!

We're told that "The US president's reckless
community resentment and his preference for
bullying over legal processes cannot be tolerated."

It's not a question of hating the man. It's a question
of his mental stability and the damage he's doing.
The 25th Amendment should be brought into force.
Republicans will support it. They are beginning to
distance themselves. Mike Pence could take over and be
more suitable.

Dear GrahamY,

Sorry mate but no.

Again you are touting false equivalences. BLM was not a Democrat's movement. It wasn't started by them nor spread by them. In many ways the Democratic Party were reluctant bedfellows at best.

These rioters came directly from a Trump rally, stirred on by an over hour long speech by him full of utterly unfounded accusations about election fraud. They were his supporters, not the Republican Party's.

“There is evidence of substantial electoral fraud” - No there isn't. There is however plenty of evidence of voter suppression in Republican states and of a President pressuring officials to overturn results.

“There were star chamber prosecutions of Trump officials on trumped-up charges, not to mention a three year attempt to impeach Trump for Russian collusion which the impeachers knew to be a false allegation. The Trump campaign was illegally surveilled by the FBI before the election.”

No there wasn't a star chamber, nor were the charges trumped up, Muller is a staunch Republican and a stickler for due process. The impeachment call was legitimate and only failed on party lines. The allegation most certainly had strong merit, and the surveillance while problematic, did not impact the election.

Trump is a prolific and effective user of Twitter, placing warnings on his Tweets was perfectly acceptable.

The billion dollar story about Biden has not factual basis, not about the billion dollar 'bribe'.

http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/c-span-video-joe-biden-ukraine/

The Republicans have lost the Senate, the House and the Presidency. Georgia now has two Democratic Senators elected, the first time since Carter and includes the first black person to hold that office.

Somehow the Democrats have concocted all this unlawfully?

Give me a break.

Trump is a single term president and the sooner the US is rid of him and his swamp the better.

and the sooner he goes and Biden is clearly the winner the sooner all bets will be settled and I can get on with having a full professional restoration of my 1949 2.5 litre Riley Saloon.

AFR - Death toll rises to 4 amid calls for Trump's
removal.

The join session of Congress has reconvened.

Foxy,

Not to mention the 360,000 deaths from the Trumpf virus :)

Joe

Foul-Mouth,

What if one of these redneck hillbilly radicals like The Forum's Josephus for example decides to assassinate Biden because Trump told him that Biden has been stealing votes?

A US president has about a 1 in 10 chance of being assassinated.

Dear loudmouth2,

Try 369,990.

SteeleRedux

And the word from The Forum's pro-China camp is that China had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Isn't that right ..... Foxy ..... Foul-Mouth ?

Hi Foxy

Unfortunately the 25th Amendement of the US Constitution procedure would probably take too long for Pence to replace Trump before Biden gets in on 21st January (our time).

See "issues related to presidential succession and disability" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Trump should return to what he does mostly anyway, GOLFing in Florida, and just informally ask Pence to hold the fort for the next 2 weeks.

What could go wrong :(
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Herr Josephus

A big howdy to y'all in ARIZONA.

You do us Australians of OLO a favour by demonstrating how unhinged a US Trumpster like yourself is.

In your talk of "Communism", Trumps ENCOURAGING Iran to arm itself with "Nuclear weapons" by canning the existing multi-lateral agreement with Iran. Abortion and Trump using embryo DNA in his Covid medication - see http://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/08/trump-covid-drug-developed-using-cells-derived-from-abortion

Roll on 21st January - Australian time.

Soot Morrison was uncritical of Trump's insurrection.

I could comment but I think my silence says it all.

CHINA GLEEFUL AT FAILED TRUMP ASSAULT ON THE CAPITOL

A authoritative source on China commented today:

CCP commenters are gleeful at the scenes of chaos in Washington on Wednesday, after Trump’s push to overturn the November election results culminated in armed supporters breaching the US Capitol Building.

Many in China have made comparisons between the US today and coups in the Third World undemocratic Asian, African and Hispanic countries Trump himself dubbed "shiitholes" 2 years back.

The belief that the US would collapse like the Soviet Union has circulated among members of the Chinese elite since the mid-2000s, especially after the 2008 financial crisis. Under President Xi, Chinese officials have been encouraged to study the Soviet collapse closely as an example of what mistakes China should avoid.

The scenes in Washington, so reminiscent of the Russian parliamentary violence of the 1990s, will only encourage such CCP convictions, as has the botched US response to the COVID Pandemic.

It’s hard to say that the CCP is entirely wrong, given the precarious state of US democracy. Today's Capitol assault is likely to encourage riskier challenges to US global power and more aggression from Beijing.

The US failure of democracy today has come at a good time to mask China's recent arrest of Opposition politicians and demonstrators in Hong Kong. Hong Kong demonstrators previously looked to America for democratic hope - hope now dashed by Trump's example today.

Using the Correlation of Forces methodology, previously used by the Soviet Union leaders during the Cold War, CCP leaders see a big gain for authoritarian China today, due to America's damage to democracy during the asault on the Capitol.

The image of the US has taken a beating today, to the benefit of China's CCP and also to Russia's benefit.

"What kind of a legacy will Trump leave behind?"

The last democratically elected leader of a once great nation.

Plant Pete if I was China I would say nothing as at least the Authorities in Washington did not run over the protestors with tanks.

Foxy one woman was shot in the neck by a guard and one woman and two
men had medical emergencies (heart attacks ?).
I notice the local media are not making that distinction so far.

Hi Pete,

The attempted coup raises the likelihood, almost the certainty, that Trump is secretly working for the Chinese Communist Party. They would be very disappointed that their 'cunning plan' didn't work. How else can anyone explain this tragedy ?

What a dreadfully dark day for the US. The only bright light is the election of two Democratic senators in Georgia, and therefore the Democratic control of the Senate AND the House of Reps.

Let's hope that Trump finds himself in jail until well after the 2024 election. Although it may well be that treason, sedition and incitement may attract more severe penalties than mere jail ?

Joe

"And the word from The Forum's pro-China camp is that China had absolutely nothing to do with it."

Probably true, why would they need to bother?

And I suspect that we ain't seen nothin' yet.

What I found so utterly hypocritical when several of the high ranking blamed Trump. Why weren't they asked & tell the World that each of them makes more money in 6 months than the average wage earner makes in a lifetime. Now, they're putting the blame on those whom they deny a basic wage !
They did indeed 'steal' & now will keep on stealing by buying votes !

Hi Individual,

You may be right, if only I could understand what the hell you're talking about. So maybe not.

Joe

Well China has deliberately weakened the Western freedoms by releasing the Covid-19 virus, over which Trump had no control. Typically many Americans believe it is an infringement of their freedoms to be told to wear masks. All western nations are struggling against economic destruction in an attempt to survive, and the people become dependent on the Government for survival it is part of the World Government Reset placing China as the supreme power. The power is being removed from the people and placed into Government and their control over the people, as in Hong Kong.

The protests in Capital hill USA were sparked by resistance to the National Reset proposed by the Democrats, to remove the first and second Amendment from the Constitution. The protests where one woman was shot dead by the National Guard, and three died from medical conditions probably heart attacks.

in a recent poll 31% of Americans believed there were fraudulent discrepancies in the voting that gave Biden the Presidency.

Josephus,

Trump had no control over the US response to the Covid-18 virus ?! Are you kidding ?! He's the president, the Big Man, the bloke in charge, the capo da capo of the Republican Party, he's where the buck stops.

In the secret service of the totalitarian Chinese, he's buggered up the entire US health system, and now has incited his halfwit supporters to try to overthrow US democracy and weaken America. He failed. So the Chinese have failed. What other devious scheme will they try ?

Thank god for US democracy. It will prevail against whatever the Chinese or the Russians throw at it.

Joe

You may be right, if only I could understand what the hell you're talking about.
loudmouth2,
I'll try to bring it down to your level of mentality. Those who steal brand their victims troublemakers when the victims had a gutful of being fleeced & neglected.

Dear mhaze,

You emerge after weeks away with “The last democratically elected leader of a once great nation.”

What a ripper.

Lol.

Great to have you back. Missed you heaps. I know your president losing the election has been devastating to you and it has taken you a while to gather yourself and raise your head above the parapet so let's go slowly to start with.

The last democratically elected President was the most recent, Joe Biden, the one before that was Obama.

There has only been a single president in the last 138 years who was never democratically elected by the majority of the people and that was your president.

Thank goodness we are able to put that sorry, undemocratic, aberration behind us.

Hi Joe

Yes I think Trump deserves the Order of Mao and Order of Lenin

for all the good work he's been doing to screw over American democracy these last 2 months,

2 months since he legitimately Lost the Fair Election.

Move over Trump the Putin Puppet. They don't call Trump the Manchurian Candidate for nothing!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manchurian_Candidate_(1962_film)
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Hi Is Mise

I to hope you can "get on with having a full professional restoration of my 1949 2.5 litre Riley Saloon."

True when you say " I suspect that we ain't seen nothin' yet."

Trump's got 2 whole weeks to wreck America for even more Russian money.

And Trump can self-appoint himself Führer of a Fascist Opposition until Putin tells him to stop.

Is Trump dreaming of special Confederate Presidency where Jefferson Davis failed!?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Davis#President_of_the_Confederate_States

I recognize you anti Republicans support the BLM and Antifa riots burnings and looting, but you despise a peaceful rally infiltrated by radicals, where no burnings or looting took place an a 14 year service air Force young woman Ashli Babbit who served four tours with U.S. Air Force was shot dead. You will see in the next few years America take up the suppression of its citizens and adopt similar program as the CCP.

Josephus,
> I recognize you anti Republicans support the BLM and Antifa riots burnings and looting
That's the problem with Trump supporters - they "recognise" fantasy while not even trying to understand the actual truth!

Those who rioted at the BLM protests are traitors to their cause. But most of them didn't set out to be traitors; they intended to protest peacefully but started rioting when they perceived they were under attack by the police (who had not been properly trained in deescalation).

>but you despise a peaceful rally
Not quite - though I despite the cause they were rallying for, I'm in favour of the right to rally peacefully. But that's not what they did. They tried to storm the Capitol building.

>infiltrated by radicals,
Bit of a stretch to call it an infiltration, as everyone there was responding to Trump's call.

>where no burnings or looting took place
Just plenty of smashing!

> young woman Ashli Babbit who served four tours with U.S. Air Force was shot dead
Yes, a tragedy. With the benefit of hindsight, do you have any ideas on how it should have been averted?

>You will see in the next few years America take up the suppression of its citizens
>and adopt similar program as the CCP.
...And sales of tinfoil hats will go through the roof!

Sounds like I missed something interesting today. I'm still very sad that Trump lost the election. But I guess the left control the media and various institutions and they have brought in many Mexicans that seem to swing the vote towards the Democrats. This election could be the end of the US.

It was a peaceful if robust protest until the police started to shoot people. Their first victim was a 41 year-old woman who was shot dead through a window by a brave cop.

Interesting isn't it that the black rights matter riots went on for weeks, with no police or civil defense called, but the militia were out in hours, & caused the violence.

ttbn,
Are you sure it was police?
I understood the shooter to be a National Guard soldier.

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In view of the monomaniacal behaviour of “Captain Ahab” (alias “Donald the dictator”), there is serious doubt regarding his ability to correctly fulfill his duties as president of the United States until “Sleepy old Joe” officially becomes president on 20 January 2021.

While that is only 13 days away, the recent insurrection on Capitol Hill by “Captain Ahab’s” supporters cannot be ignored. Effective measures must be implemented as soon as possible to ensure that there are no further attacks or attempted coups.

One of “Captain Ahab’s” few remaining close advisers is reported to have said “off the record” during the insurrection last night that the outgoing president was “out of his mind”.

As a result, a group of “Republican leaders” have declared that “he should be removed from office before January 20. Four of them called for the 25th Amendment to be invoked, and two others said the President should be impeached” :

http://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/06/politics/trump-capitol-impeachment-25-amendment/index.html

These are grave times for the United States and for the whole world. The Republicans must weigh up the consequences of either forcefully removing “Captain Ahab” from office or leaving him free to pursue his monomaniacal vendetta, unhindered, with the world's most powerful nation at his entire disposal.

A lose-lose situation ?

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While Trump has clearly lost the election and I don't support the actions he has taken to delegitimize the election and election process, I believe that the media has once again over-egged the cake on this "mostly peaceful" demonstration. Compared to the democrat supported BLM riots this demonstration showed far less violence, looting and destruction. That a few demonstrators broke through the police cordon to disrupt the senate is a tactic frequently used by the left to disrupt campuses, political speeches etc, and when other follow suit, it suddenly becomes a coup attempt. Seriously!

While I don't believe that there was widespread voting fraud, certainly not enough to sway the election, the democrats added fuel to the fire by posting out postal ballots to every man and his dog.

Trump, in doing what he has done has essentially poisoned the well for the democrat led government and has created a cult-like following that he can cultivate for his own purposes later. This is not the end of Trump on the political stage.

Claims of it, "He (Trump) didn't cause the riot", is as untrue as to say Hitler didn't cause WWII. It was Trump who called his goons to Washington, it was Trump who called his goons to rally at the Capitol Building whilst the vote was taking place, it was Trumps goons that invaded the building! Trump said "We love you, you have a special place in our hearts.

"That a few demonstrators broke through the police cordon to disrupt the senate is a tactic frequently used by the left" What are you saying shonkyminister, the British troops of 1812 were lefties?

The Trumpsters on the Forum have been supporting a lunatic, now that Trump has been shown up for what he is, a mad bigoted bully, the Trumpsters are pathetically still trying to justify that support.

shadyminister,

I heard a rumor that most of the redneck hillbilly insurgents who stormed the Capitol were engineers.

Would you care to comment?

Facebook has banned Trump indefinitely, leaving no doubt of the bias and interference in democracy of Big Tech. It was always foolish of politicians to become involved in the bearpit of social media; it is undignified and dangerous. A bit like Australian politicians going anywhere near the ABC studios that they foolishly continue to payroll with our money. They is no way they can win against the vicious media and Big Tech.

Mr uneducated opinion,

Now you are just lying.

The shadyminister just called me "Mr uneducated opinion"

Ouch! That really hurts. Rush me to the burns unit!

I have learned to ignore the croaks of the half boiled frogs who listen to the bubbling of the Left wing CCP controlled media, who present half truths and biased reporting. Who want to control freedom of expression by threats of fines, imprisonment and threats of death as Hong Kong is experiencing.

The Media have viscously aligned Trump with the deaths of people from Covid, but they do not blame Boris for the UK's or Merckel for Germany , Macron for France or Mattarella for Italy. This demonstrates their bigotry and hatred of the American President.

Josephus,

Might I respectfully suggest that you also learn to ignore your detractors here, on OLO, who are going to continue rubbishing you as long as you respond to them. SteelRedux, Number 1405, Loudmouth, Plantaganet, Aidan etc. are only interested in picking arguments and are best ignored. People can only change themselves, no one else, and Hell will freeze over before any of the aforementioned will do that.

What was the threat to democracy, Trump or Mark Elliot Zuckerberg who shut down pleas by Trump to his supporters to go home, do not play into the hands of the Media. Obviously there are those here who only listen to left wing biased media reporting. They put words in Trumps tweets. Read his tweets that were deleted.

http://joannenova.com.au/?fbclid=IwAR3etnQ5Ot6sT_5P74KReYND-OqS6rmLHjhAO9iiRXciD-ZZYatRDCZ7xng

People who were there as Patriots witnessed Antifa break windows as Trump supporters pleaded for the infiltrators to stop.

I am all for the right wing perspective being an important part of a liberal democracy, at least in economic terms.

But there is no rational support for the ….head that is Trump.

Come one supposed right wingers, you can do better than defend a retard and a dictator

Chris Lewis, You too believe the lies about Trump, If he was the Dictator you present, then why does he increase his vote from 2016 with blacks and Hispanics? He must have benefited the poorer classes.

that is my opinion, he is a madman.

they had an election, he lost,and he needs to …. off.

no one has supported the allegations of cheating, not even the US Supreme Court.

Josephus,
If you ignore your critics, you'll fail to realise the absurdity of your own position, and you will probably end up taking ever more absurd positions as a result. A good example of that here is the WEF thread, where ttbn's convinced the super rich are conspiring to abolish private property and implement global communism!

We can see exactly the same problem with Trump - he ignores his critics and listens to his own lies instead, taking him dangerously far from reality.

The facts;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBCq4v32_AQ

Josephus,

On a serious note, what do you think will now happen to Trump?

How do you think things will play out?

loudmouth2,
I've given the explanation you asked for. Now what ? Silence is nearly always an admission of wrong or incompetence !

Individual,

Because I still didn't understand what the hell you were on about, how to connect A with B. Not many people can read your mind.

Joe

Given it looks like Democrats will hold the balance of power in the Congress, Trump's future looks not so bright.

But given that many Americans love Trump, poor souls, it may well be very volatile times for US society.

I am so grateful I live I Australia where the loony elements of the right can only whinge and wish they had more power.

On a serious note, what do people think will now happen to Trump?

How do you think things will play out?

Given Trump's son sounds a bit like his dad, the Trump clan should/could form a Trump party.

One can only hope.

That may allow the Republicans to regroup towards more a common sense approach capable of upholding important centre-right traditions, albeit the American situation is very messy with major problems ranging from the social to the economic.

At the moment, too many self-interested republican are wary of offending their base which now include many Trump devotees.

Mr. Opinion,

I think Trump will go back to making truckloads of money. He won't return to politics because of his age. Only a fool like Biden stands for politics at the age of 78; and he won't be there for long either. President Harris will take over. They can't get a woman president elected so, by cheating and rorting, and using a senile old man, they will end up with a communist who will continue to drive America into the ground. The CCP must be in fits of merriment.

Dear Josephus,

Please name a single "fact" that was delivered in the link you provided.

Yes, counting money may lesson his pain given the US rejected him

Ttbn,

No, I think he will go back to being bankrupt. I think Melania will leave him within weeks, with (hopefully for her) a suitable sum set aside for her retirement in Slovenia. Trump will continue to whinge about not being divinely appointed President and lifelong King and Dictator, and will continue to destroy the Republican Party.

In connection with that, I hope he has better bodyguards than Jeffrey Epstein. Really ;)

I'm puzzled how anyone who inherits the equivalent of many billions of dollars and owns casinos, can go broke. But your Captain Marvel has done just that, I believe.

Of course, he has to get out of jail over his incitement to riot first. Will he be the first US President to go to jail ? Live in hope.

Joe

Just in case some of those fascist-anarchists were Australian: the FBI has released photos of some of the main morons:

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/fbi-release-images-of-violent-trump-agitators-who-stormed-us-capitol/news-story/5966f6cadcd18cc7c3d9cd61b4bd4cdd

Joe

Trump was just on TV and has thrown them all under the bus to make himself look like a human being.

Good Onya Mr Opinion

I see you are not a Trumpster yet, but a human being.

See this scene in "Elephant Man":

"I am not a Trumpster. I am not a Trumpster. I AM a human being!"

http://youtu.be/sn7bEVnFlds

:)

Hi Banjo

A great link you've located http://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/06/politics/trump-capitol-impeachment-25-amendment/index.html which states:

"By impeaching and removing Trump, even at this late stage of his term, the Senate could

subsequently vote to DISQUALIFY TRUMP FROM EVER HOLDING FEDERAL OFFICE AGAIN."

Disqualifying "Trump from ever holding federal office again" would (beneficially for all Americans) prevent Trump from running for President in 2024.

Pete,

OR is he just trying to save his neck by throwing Trumpf under the proverbial bus ?

Joe

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due to constant updates on America's political chaos.

Four years ago, a meeting was held in the Obama Whitehouse which launched the operation to try to overturn the 2016 election. Attendees - the Obamessiah, Biden, the FBI, DOJ, State etc. The premise of the operation was to try to develop claims that Russia had delivered the election to Trump. Even then, some of the attendees (eg Comey) knew the claims were false.

And so was launched a whole of government effort to annul the working class revolution against the globalist elites and their economic systems. A 2 year investigation into the Russian collusion claims yielded when no one was ever found to have colluded with the Russians in regards to the election. But the investigation was designed to discredit Trump, not find the truth.

In the meantime, the entire apparatus of the 4th estate was employed to discredit the nativist, America-first movement. Every accusation was treated as proof. Anything favourable to Trump and the movement was ignored or mispresented. Evidence of the elite colluding with China was actively and brazenly suppressed.

The apparatus of state was employed to defend the old order. Empires like the FBI and DOJ were just as threatened by the revolution as were the globalist elites. They fought harder than most to delay and defeat the new order. The FBI hid information favourable to the president even as the conspiracy sought to impeach him. Diplomats worked against their own government. Some in the military lied in order to disobey orders from the Commander-in-Chief.

Yet through it all the results kept coming. Wars were ended. New wars were avoided. Rampant adversaries were held in check and put in their place. The kids of the deplorables were no longer cannon fodder for the globalist ambitions of the old order. Tax arrangements were altered to the advantage of the lower classes and disadvantage of the elites who of course sought to undo the changes by misrepresented the facts on the matter. In November Biden was able to claim, in contravention of the facts, without being called out by the media, that the tax cuts favoured the rich.

/ cont
It was a prime example of the fantasyland the nation had descended into that the Democrats could advocate the reversal of the cuts based on the false claim they favoured the rich when indeed the reversal would favour the rich. Little wonder the big donors were in lockstep with the Democrats – they wanted their tax burden reduced.

So as the election year rolled around, despite their best efforts, Trumpism was rampant. Then came the crisis unleashed from China and used by the left/media to vilify Trump. The states claimed full authority to administer the rsponse to virus, demanding the Feds stay away, while the media and that same state leadership hastened to blame Trump when things went awry. It was the perfect situation. Cuomo causes the deaths of 10000 nursing home patients due to his mal-administration yet the media and the Democrats blame Trump.

Yet even that was insufficient to dent Trump’s popularity among the deplorables. So the ultimate betrayal of democracy and all the USA had stood for was utilised to finally kill the beast. Election fraud on a grand, unprecedented scale. New illegal rules implemented. Mass mail out of ballots. Unsupervised acceptable of absentee votes. Pre-printed votes trucked by the thousands between states. Supposed hack-proof voting machines were easily hacked. Counties with said machines giving 5% more votes to Biden than comparable counties.

So in the end, Trump won the vote but lost the count.

The globalist elite, having now learned how to disregard the views or interests of what will become the serf class, will never allow a Trump to happen again. Media suppression of ‘unhelpful’ opinions will be ruthlessly enforced. Legal harassment of the enemy of the rulers via falsified evidence (viz Flynn) will become the norm. Massive numbers of illegal immigrants will be imported and rules stopping them voting the ‘right’ way will be reversed and/or ignored.

2016 was indeed the last free and fair election for the USA, for at least a generation. The deplorables cannot be exploited forever but when they again rise, it will be a very different country.

No one has raised the worry that as the management of the election
has been questioned as to just how much cheating was done, it is not
now possible to backtrack through the computer accumulation of the
votes to see if it was bad enough to change the result; and so a new
standard of management at a lower level is now set.

In other words if they got away with it this time why not do it again.
For both parties they may all believe they are as pure as can be, but
they are politicians so temptation now remains.
So if this is the new standard will our pollies think alike ?
We need some computerisation of our electrol system but keep away from
a system like the US's as it seems to be designed to make cheating easy.

@ mhaze
You are delusional mate. Every single thing you said is a lie and no one, including you, has shown a single shred of evidence to support your ravings.
The clown coup is over. Just another in a long line of right wing failures from born losers and idiots.

Dear mhaze,

More nonsense from you, it seems you are hitting your old form early.

You claim "Trump won the vote but lost the count."

No he lost the vote getting nearly 10% less than Biden.

As I said earlier Trump remains the only President to never win a Federal election by having more votes than his opponent in 130 years.

The question was could he lose the popular vote again and still get up? He didn't. Stop sooking and get over it.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1347382479871647745

Here is a video of Australian trade unionists storming parliament house.

Remind you of something?

Mikk, there was a report of an enquiry into the Russian intervention
in the their 2016 election. It found that there was no evidence.
I never bothered to record the link otherwise there would be thousands. Basically Mhaze's statement is correct but I cannot vouch
for all the details.

As American riots go it was a tame affair.

OLO'S TRUMPSTERS STILL LOVE TRUMP - WHILE REPUBLICAN Politicians are DUMPING the DONALD

Hi Joe

In your comment:

"Pete, OR is he just trying to save his neck by throwing Trumpf under the proverbial bus?"
Joe Posted by loudmouth2, Friday, 8 January 2021 1:19:13 PM"

I assume you're talking about
http://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/06/politics/trump-capitol-impeachment-25-amendment/index.html

There are so many principled, EX-Trumpster Republicans now lining up to tell the truth about Trump.

They are distancing themselves from TRUMP inciting the mob to trash the the Capitol Building.
_____

http://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/06/politics/trump-capitol-impeachment-25-amendment/index.html indicates:

"After violent pro-Trump protesters stormed the US Capitol on Wednesday,

a growing number of Republican leaders and Cabinet officials told CNN that they believe

Donald Trump should be removed from office before January 20.

Four of them called for the 25th Amendment to be invoked,

and two others said the President should be impeached.

...REPUBLICAN. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois became the first Republican member of Congress to call

for Trump's removal from office.

... Former President George W. BUSH...released a strongly-worded rebuke Wednesday evening

calling the "insurrection" at the Capitol a "sickening and heartbreaking sight."

...REPUBLICAN Mitt Romney...called the attack on the Capitol an "insurrection" and blamed Trump, saying he "stirred [supporters] to action this very morning."

...Wyoming REPUBLICAN Liz Cheney, a member of the House leadership, echoed Romney's anger and frustration at Trump. "There is no question that the President formed the mob. The President incited the mob, the President addressed the mob," said Cheney on Fox News. "He lit the flame."

REPUBLICANS Cotton, Gallagher and Kinzinger also CONDEMNED TRUMP.
__________

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-08/hurt-feelings-and-anger-linger-after-pence-and-trump-clash/13042890

"PENCE'S decision to publicly defy Mr Trump was a first for the notoriously deferential Vice-President".
________

AND still OLO'S Trumpsters LUV'IM SO.

American REPUBLICAN politicians are DUMPING the DONALD!

Dear Bazz,

You write; “Mikk, there was a report of an enquiry into the Russian intervention in the their 2016 election. It found that there was no evidence.”

What an absolute utter lie. There was overwhelming evidence. Project Lakhta, yes it had its own name, was directed by Putin himself.

“The Russian government interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election with the goals of harming the campaign of Hillary Clinton, boosting the candidacy of Donald Trump, and increasing political and social discord in the United States. According to U.S. intelligence agencies, the operation — code named Project Lakhta — was ordered directly by Russian President Vladimir Putin.[1]

The Internet Research Agency (IRA), based in Saint Petersburg, Russia and described as a troll farm, created thousands of social media accounts that purported to be Americans supporting radical political groups and planned or promoted events in support of Trump and against Clinton. They reached millions of social media users between 2013 and 2017. Fabricated articles and disinformation were spread from Russian government-controlled media, and promoted on social media. Additionally, computer hackers affiliated with the Russian military intelligence service (GRU) infiltrated information systems of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), and Clinton campaign officials, notably chairman John Podesta, and publicly released stolen files and emails through DCLeaks, Guccifer 2.0 and WikiLeaks during the election campaign. Several individuals connected to Russia contacted various Trump campaign associates, offering business opportunities to the Trump Organization and proferring damaging information on Clinton. Russian government officials have denied involvement in any of the hacks or leaks.”

Wikipedia.

Muller found that Russian interference was "sweeping and systematic" and "violated U.S. criminal law". He subsequently indicted twenty-six Russian citizens and three Russian organizations.
The Republican dominated Senate demanded strong economic sanctions be applied as a result even though Trump tried to ease them.

What part of an addled Trump infected brain of yours allows you come to the conclusion there was no evidence?

I would not trust the bigotry of SR and his supposed facts which are nothing more than unverified reports. Congress found no more evidence of Russian interference in 2016 than Chinese might have interfered in 2020. Hilary was involved in selling Uranium to Russia, why would they support Trump?

Mr. O, Trump does not need to be President to be who he is, He has his businesses to support him. Unlike Joe who has become wealthy by being vice President and using his position to garner his millions.

Josephus,

Trump inherited the family business started by grand pappy Frederick who built the best little whore house in the Yukon.

Thank heaven that we have a stable political environment and that the Capitol Riot could not happen here.

If we had one it'd need to be called something like "The Canberra Riot".

http://twitter.com/KeiraSavage00/status/1347382479871647745 (looks like you have to log in)

Good Heavens!! Where did that come from?

Issy you backed a loser in Trump. End of story.

As for your 1996 clip of Australian violence by people who were wrong in what they done, and should have known better. A typical ploy of the forum extreme, finding one wrong to justify a wrong they agree with. Unlike myself and others on the Forum who support the right of peaceful protest, but condemn ALL forms of violent behaviour.

No matter what Trump says after the event, it was he who encouraged his fascists supporters to rally in Washington, the so called special people he loves, it was he who encouraged the same fascists red necked racists to attempt to pervert the democratic process. It is Trump who should be charged along with his violent supporters.

Paul I see you believe the Media lies, Trump never encouraged trespass of the Capital building. listen to all his tweets and speeches. Unlike the BLM rallies outside the Capital Building that lasted for weeks burning down a Church, everyone have gone home from this rally

STORMING OF CAPITOL BUILDING PLANNED FOR WEEKS

http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-01-08/us-capitol-storming-planned-for-weeks-online-social-media/13039302 today reports:

Though this week's violence in Washington DC was unprecedented, it had been predicted.

For weeks, Trump supporters have been using online platforms to openly plan the storming of the US Capitol building.

Questions are now being asked about why law enforcement appears to be have been caught unprepared and whether social media companies could have shut down these groups earlier or done more to de-escalate the violent rhetoric on their platforms.

Earlier this week, extremism and disinformation research organisation Advance Democracy Inc (ADI)

published a report warning that online pro-Trump violent rhetoric had spiked ahead of the January 6 pro-Trump rally in Washington DC.

Its analysis found a hubbub of activity on a relatively obscure online forum — thedonald.win.

The self-described "never-ending rally dedicated to the 45th President of the United States" had previously operated on Reddit before the company banned it in June 2020 for racism, sexism, anti-Semitism and inciting violence.

The site is open to the public and does not disclose its ownership.

In its report, the ADI chronicled evidence of a surge in violent rhetoric on January 4

when more than half of the top posts on thedonald.win, that related to the upcoming January 6 rally, featured calls for violence within the top five comments.

FORUM USERS OPENLY DISCUSSED HOW TO SNEAK GUNS INTO WASHINGTON DC AND AVOID POLICE BLOCKADES.

..."This is America. F-CK D.C. it's in the Constitution. Bring your goddamn guns."

The post was liked or 'upvoted' more than 5,000 times.

In a popular thread referencing a Trump tweet promoting the debunked conspiracy theory of election fraud, one user asked, "what if Congress ignores the evidence?"

"Storm the Capitol," was a popular reply.

Five days later, on January 6, as pro-Trump militia proceeded to do exactly that, the mood on thedonald.win switched to jubilation and outright defiance of police, with thousands joining "watching party" message threads.

"This is what Trump told us to do!" a top post in one of these threads read..."

MORE SEE http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-01-08/us-capitol-storming-planned-for-weeks-online-social-media/13039302

Paul,

But I backed a winner in Biden, hence when all bets are settled, the professional restoration of my 1949 Riley Saloon.

Including a complete engine rebuild with modern shell bearings and such mods as are necessary to use unleaded fuels, specifically E10.

Disc brakes on the front wheels and an electric cooling fan.

All else back to original including leather upholstery.

I linked to the Canberra Riot just to shew that the Capitol Riot ts nothing out of the ordinary; it is, in fact, rather mild as US riots go.

Paul,

But I (Is Mise) backed a winner in Biden, hence when all bets are settled, the professional restoration of my 1949 Riley Saloon.

Issy what about this;

Trump will be re-elected, nothing surer.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 10:56:40 AM

Another PORKY AWARD, First Class for good old Issy.

Didn't you also claim after the event you back ScumO' to win the last Federal Election. Didn't you also claim you won enough money on ScumO' to buy a Toyota Hi Ace. Got my doubts. Porky Awards everywhere for good old Issy.

Prod Boy Jose'

Your glorious Fuhrer promised to lead the troops into battle, but he wimped out and stayed in the safety of his bunker. BTW, Hitler never murdered a Jew, what was he guilty of, same logic as yours if you play that game.

Paul,

I explained in another post that I backed both contenders, so many people were letting their emotions set the odds that it was relatively easy to back each one and still win a heap.

The Toyota that I bought with the Morrison bets was second hand and is a manual model without a computer or electrically operated windows, door locks or mirrors. It was also unmarked till a couple of suicidal 'roos managed to ding it up a bit.

Out of date but very reliable!!

Dear Josephus,

You write: “I would not trust the bigotry of SR and his supposed facts which are nothing more than unverified reports.”

You sir have all the hallmarks of a deluded idiot.

Here is Mueller's report from the Department of Justice site itself.

http://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

You will find on page 1: “The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion “.

“The IRA’s U.S. operations are part of a larger set of interlocking operations known as “Project Lakhta,” “ Page 16

“On January 6, 2017, members of the intelligence community briefed President-Elect Trump on a joint assessment—drafted and coordinated among the Central Intelligence Agency, FBI, and National Security Agency—that concluded with high confidence that Russia had intervened in the election through a variety of means to assist Trump’s candidacy and harm Clinton’s.” Page 7

“First, the Office determined that Russia’s two principal interference operations in the 2016 U.S. presidential election—the social media campaign and the hacking-and-dumping operations— violated U.S. criminal law.“ Page 9

Real facts and a verified report.

Deal with it.

but he wimped out and stayed in the safety of his bunker.
Paul1405,
Smart move to let the Progressives have a free run for all the World to see their real mentality !

An entertaining thread. So where were SR and Plantagenet when the Dems were threatening the White House and trashed a church just up the road? The President was whisked away, and barriers erected. Asleep apparently. Or are they only interested if the offender is from the centre or the right?

There's been lots of opportunities to get outraged about the left. What about when Kamala Harris was posting bail for rioters? Apparently OK. I don't think she's fit to be the first female president, but who raised a thread on that?

On a scale of 1-10 I'd put the Trump crowd's damage at 1, and BLM/Antifa at 11. But no one cares about that.

But can you blame them? Apparently the FBI were also asleep while the Dems were wrecking the country. But now people associated with Trump have done it they're posting photos of offenders to round them up. It's been a pandemic of inattention.

I'm predicting more centre-right riots. You can't treat people like idiots, allowing their enemies to tear the country apart, without them deciding at some point that what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

By rejecting the rule of law the left has brought lawlessness on themselves. I find it interesting that they have enablers here. We all need to be on our guard against it. What is happening in the US is a wake-up. We need to reassert tolerance and respect for our fellow countrymen and their rights as national values and push back against the oppressive totalitarian culture or our left-wing radicals.

OLO's Trumpters remain Deluded in their Little Sad World

Meanwhile http://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-08/four-more-trump-national-security-aides-resign/13042874

"US Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao and Education Secretary Betsy DeVos have resigned, joining a growing list of aides leaving President Donald Trump's administration in protest over the storming of the US Capitol building.

Ms Chao — the wife of Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell — said in an email to staff that the mob attack "has deeply troubled me in a way that I simply cannot set aside".

She said her resignation will take effect on Monday.

In a letter to Trump, Ms DeVos said the attack on the Capitol was unconscionable.

"There is no mistaking the impact your rhetoric had on the situation, and it is the inflection point for me," she wrote, adding her resignation would be effective on Friday.

With less than two weeks left of Donald Trump's Presidency, many aides were already heading for the door, making some of their resignations symbolic gestures.

But the sudden exodus suggested REVULSION among some over Mr Trump's encouragement of supporters who brought violent chaos to the Capitol on Wednesday, in an ultimately futile bid to prevent formal certification of Democrat Joe Biden's election victory...."

A worthy American song that will see off the Trump Disease http://youtu.be/9LwGt9d1-lU?t=40s

.

TO PRISON WITH LOVE !.

.

What a brave and heroic leader Captain Ahad (alias Donald the dictator) has proven to be. He has just betrayed his most fervent supporters !

After having incited them to march on Capitol Hill the day Mike Pence was to certify the 2020 presidential election results, he recorded a video in which he told them :

« I know your pain. I know you’re hurt … We love you. You’re very special. I know how you feel … but go home and go home in peace » :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AeI6Mv0ALg&ab_channel=ABCNews

But the following day, their illustrious leader and political guru furiously back peddled and declared :

« To those who engaged in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country, and to those who broke the law, you will pay … »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgI_4wDmW_0&ab_channel=FRANCE24

Having already syphoned off $270,000,000 from his supporters, he is now callously trying to sacrifice whoever he can to save his own neck.

Why ? Because :

1. The House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer have called for immediate impeachment proceedings if Vice-President Mike Pence and the president’s Cabinet refuse to take steps to remove Captain Ahad (alias Donald the dictator) from power.

2. The Wall Street Journal calls for Captain Ahad (alias Donald the dictator) to resign :

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-final-days-11610062773
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It has been suggested that Captain Ahad (alias Donald the dictator) might decide to grant himself a presidential pardon, but the judicial validity of that is likely to prove somewhat contentious. It also has the inconvenience of representing an admission of fault. Why would he do that if he did not do anything wrong ?

It would probably be safer for Captain Ahad (alias Donald the dictator) to accept to resign in exchange for a presidential pardon from Mike Pence who would automatically replace him as president.

We’ll just have to wait and see how it all plays out.

Hopefully, to slightly misquote Graham Y. : "what will be good for the goose will be good for the gander".

.

Thanks for your comments GrahamY.

Those are disgusting comments verging on incitement Graham. So much for the right wings lies about law and order. Very disappointed.

Not many people can read your mind.
loudmouth2,
It's not my mind you need to read, it's yours !

GY,

To describe radicals of the extreme, Prod Boys, KKK members, etc, all being Trump supporters, who used mob violence to force their way into the Capitol Building, interrupting the democratic process and causing physical damage as "centre or the right" is an attempt to legitimize these extremists as moderates. You play down this action by using a meaningless quantitative scale "On a scale of 1-10 I'd put the Trump crowd's damage at 1, and BLM/Antifa at 11.". What! kids trashing a public bus shelter, is that a 2? Attempting to justify one wrong by pointing to another wrong is pathetic, have you never heard of the saying; 'Two wrongs don't make a right'. maybe your more in favour of the saying; 'The end justifies the means'.

You also asked; "So where were SR and Plantagenet when the Dems were threatening the White House and trashed a church just up the road?" I follow both SR and Pete's posts as they are intelligent contributors worth reading, where were they, they were consistently condemning violent action by anyone who would commit such things, you should read their post more often and you would see. Unlike some on this Forum, you included, who are now trying to justify violent action committed by people you politically agree with.

I would like to believe you meant what you said in part of your last sentence; "We need to reassert tolerance and respect for our fellow countrymen and their rights as national values and push back against the oppressive totalitarian culture" That applies to all forms of violent extremism, whether it comes from left or right, the KKK or even the CWA.

In terms of smoking guns, it doesn’t get ‘smoky-er’ than the Hunter Biden files. FYG, these files, obtained from the abandoned Biden computer, reveal a regular and developing pattern whereby the junior Biden, along with the sons of other Democrat aristocrats, used their parents name and influence to elicit bribes, kickbacks and other payments from the kleptocrats in places like Ukraine, China and Iran. A cut of those funds was then passed back to the family elder eg Sleepy Joe, or as he was dubbed in the Hunter files, ‘the big guy’ got 50% of whatever Hunter pilfered.

Although the FBI was aware of this conclusive information back in December 2019 it only became known to the public shortly before the election. Such information was of course devastating to the Biden campaign. Later surveys have shown that somewhere around 20% of Biden voters remained unaware of the files come election day and around a third of them would have voted differently had they had the information. It wouldn’t have changed the election but the fraudsters would have had to work a bit harder.

The reason they were unaware of the files was that the legacy media and social media moguls decided to suppress the information. All talk of it was banned from many social media fora and a general blackout was enforced in the main media organisations. People who tried to discuss it were ostracised and shadow banned. At the same time, a cover story was concocted that the files were Russian disinformation. So in a textbook example of cognitive dissonance, the left were claiming the files were Russian fakes even while the Bidens were tacitly acknowledging their authenticity.

That the social media/legacy media were successful in suppressing this information was a massive victory for them and a signpost to the future. They and the Democrats now know they can kill anything that doesn’t suit the narrative – great for them, a disaster for democracy. Today they are involved in a similar effort to kill any discussion of electoral fraud. They’ll succeed

KKK or even the CWA.
Paul1405,
Yes & even the Racist outfits you support !

TRUMP'S CULT OF PERSONALITY SUCKS IN THE MOB

Trump continues to surprise - always to keep the focus on him. Such is Cult of Personality.

"A cult of personality...arises when a country's regime – or, more rarely, an individual

– uses the techniques of mass media, propaganda, the big lie, spectacle, the arts, patriotism,

and government-organized demonstrations and rallies to create an idealized, heroic,

and worshipful image of a leader." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality

Remind anyone of Donald!?

plantagenet,

Going by the news this morning it is looking like there is a good chance Trump will be impeached in the lead up to Biden's inauguration.

I think he needs to be investigated by the FBI re the part he played in what will go down in history as Trump's Insurrection.

Instead of mindlessly and uselessly hyperventilating about a foreign politician who has nothing to do with you and cares nothing for you, you people need to concentrate on the rubbish politicians running your own country into the ground.

ttbn,

We do that as well.

I"ll go first: I think Soot Morrison is the laziest Prime Minister Australia has ever had.

Your turn.

Mr. O just calling someone lazy, says nothing about Scott, but a lot about you. You have to give evidence of your claim. Obviously you have a lazy mind, because of lack of evidence.

Josephus,

Evidence? Yes of course, evidence. I know:

Soot Morrison is Australia's answer to Donald Trump.

There, problem solved!

Now we can all get back to impeaching Donald Trump because of the part he played in Trump's Insurrection this week.

What could happen here is what is happening to the most powerful leader of the most powerful country on Earth - Big Tech interference; they meddled with the election, now they have silenced Trump: banned him from social media. Something you hate filled, leftist boofheads are ignoring because it suits you FOR NOW. Today Big Tech is suppressing the right side of politics; tomorrow it could just as easily click the switch on the left side. You wouldn't stay quiet about that.

The technocrats are not interested in people, ideology or anything else except control. They are controlling the dimwits in America. What is happening has nothing to do with Republicans versus Democrats, whether or not Trump is bad, or Biden is a halfwit. It's just about control by an evil minority using unthinking people as tools

ttbn,

It's actually not coming from Earth.

It's coming from Mars. It's a full-scale Martian invasion.

Quick! Get into your escape capsule and take off for Planet Zog.

South Australian Senator, Alex Antic, has called for an inquiry into social media, the public arm of Big Tech, and it's threat to democracy in Australia. He might be thinking of the effect of Big Tech on the centre right, because that's their target at the moment; but the other side should be joining him because their turn will come as they gradually gain more influence.

It's good to see a politician concerned about Big Tech. Most of the useless self-servicers, who will 'sup with the Devil' if it's to their personal advantage, are naively hoping that technocracy will take their side. You only have to look at Coalition politicians panting to get on the extreme left ABC to know that.

What are they trying to do, turn him into a martyr ?
Don't they realise that the worse thing they can do to him is to ignore him ?
Banning him from facebook or twitter doesn't really count as it is
only twits that follow twitter.

Mhaze, you did bring up something I saw a while back; that Biden does
not qualify for the highest security clearance.
Now that would be interesting.

Trump will not be impeached and you can bet on that.

I have never made a study of these "groups" in the US but from what I
have read in the past, & not recently they would be highly offended
if you called them lefties, communists, right wing fanatics, nazis or
any other label.
They are primarily patriots, or nationalists.
They will follow any political flag that supports their belief in the
USA, its constitution and flag.
I think they have already dumped Trump.
All through history regimes get overthrown, no matter how good they
were in the past.
"The Emperor Has No Clothes" is a signal to watch for.

Bazz,

Are you qualified to conduct this sort of study?

What is your background?

ttbn- Yes big tech is obviously highly influential- and not politically neutral- at some stage it will become pretty boring just being a mouthpiece for Globalists and Communists.

Was the shooting of the woman justified?

Was she armed and if so what was she armed with?

Answers to these questions I am sure will be pursued with vigour by the new administration.

Dear GrahamY,

You say: “So where were SR and Plantagenet when the  Dems were threatening the White House and trashed a church just up the road?”

Again you are back touting false equivalences. The “Dems” did not trash a church nor did they threaten the White House.

Why is this so hard for you. Trump's supporters, cajoled by incitement from the sitting president, attempted to halt the processing of the electoral votes in the US Senate, and to tear at any orderly transition of power which is integral to any functioning democracy.

You claim: “On a scale of 1-10 I'd put the Trump crowd's damage at 1, and BLM/Antifa at 11.”

Well on the scale of 1 to 10 on the damage inflicted in the confidence in American democracy I would put the actions of the Trump and his supporters at a 20.

Trump has repeatedly rejected the rule of law and has done so with the impunity afforded to him by the Republican party who voted on party lines not to hold him accountable. How is touting for enough votes from election officials to get him over the line acceptable to you Graham?

And I would love you to point to where you have condemned the killing of Floyd, or police violence in general. You have instead repeatedly taken the opportunity to level the responsibility of looting and rioting on both the BLM and the Democrats. Yet you are now saying things like “I still support Trump. He didn't cause the riot”.

Can you see why that would be considered by many as deeply hypocritical?

It would seem this is the first time in 150 years that the sitting president will not be attending the inauguration. The man you support is a crybaby

That same scenario if played out in Australia would have at least required a Union !

What kind of a legacy will Trump leave behind?
Foxy,
The legacy will rightly reflect on the viciousness of the Democrats ! They started it, they ran it & they made it collapse ! Whenever future generations will look back at 2020, the demcrats will spring to mind ! They really should be called the Huns of America !

Dear mhaze,

You are being pathetic useful idiot.

The American Senate had a full, Republican led, inquiry into Biden's dealings with the Ukraine and found last year nothing of note, certainly not any smoking gun you refer to.

In September the Department of Treasury sanctioned Andrii Derkach.

“Treasury designated Andrii Derkach (Derkach) pursuant to Executive Order (E.O.) 13848 for his efforts to influence the 2020 U.S. presidential election. Derkach, a Member of the Ukrainian Parliament, has been an active Russian agent for over a decade, maintaining close connections with the Russian Intelligence Services.”

His activities which you are still so ably facilitating involved the following:

“From at least late 2019 through mid-2020, Derkach waged a covert influence campaign centered on cultivating false and unsubstantiated narratives concerning U.S. officials in the upcoming 2020 Presidential Election, spurring corruption investigations in both Ukraine and the United States designed to culminate prior to election day. Derkach’s unsubstantiated narratives were pushed in Western media through coverage of press conferences and other news events, including interviews and statements.

Between May and July 2020, Derkach released edited audio tapes and other unsupported information with the intent to discredit U.S. officials, and he levied unsubstantiated allegations against U.S. and international political figures. Derkach almost certainly targeted the U.S. voting populace, prominent U.S. persons, and members of the U.S. government, based on his reliance on U.S. platforms, English-language documents and videos, and pro-Russian lobbyists in the United States used to propagate his claims.”

http://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm1118

Why are you continuing to propagate his claims here?

The excitable MSM in America are comparing the Whitehouse demonstration and murder of a woman by a taxpayer funded gunman with the Reichstag fire. It was a coup attempt, they shriek. They want "seditious" Republicans held accountable for "attacking American democracy". And of course, "fascism" is mentioned. "Domestic terrorists overran the police barricades in an attempt to overthrow the senate and preserve Trump’s presidency", and other such horseshit.

In fact, Capitol police opened the barriers to let these "domestic terrorists" in, and some of them posed for selfies with the "rioters". (Not the killer cop, possibly).

Trump did not incite them; had nothing to do with the protests, rather, telling them to "go home in peace and love". Trump knows quite well that, if did "incite violence" and was convicted of it, he would never be allowed to run for office again. He is far smarter than the halfwits who hate him and lie about him.

I saw an image a few minutes ago which had an eerie memory prompt.
The picture was the lit up capital building and in front of it is a
mass of head and shoulders and flags silhouette against--- the Bastille.
From memory I think it was in the Louvre in Paris and was labeled
"The Storming of the Bastille".

History might not repeat but it does rhyme.
Politicians need to remember history.

"Does anyone support Trump now?"

You're assuming that if I'm made to hate Trump enough I will somehow be forced to support Biden.

Where the hell does that logic actually come from?
- Is it even actually 'logical' at all?

Please explain how your logic is logical.

Well, it's not going to happen.
I'll never support Biden, and I'll never support Democrats.
My opinion is still exactly the same as it was prior to the election.

- They're both crooks, Biden AND the party he belongs too -

Republicans aren't exactly getting merit points from me though either.
I officially support 'None of the above'

The US political system has passed its 'USE BY' date, that's my opinion.

Dear Bazz,

Storming of the Bastille indeed.

Trump's mate and adviser certainly remembered your history when he called for Trump to place both Fauci and the Trump appointed director of the FBI heads on spikes outside the Whitehouse.

http://nowthisnews.com/news/steve-bannon-suggests-beheading-of-dr-fauci-fbi-director-gets-banned-from-twitter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_on_a_spike#/media/File:Heads_on_pikes.jpg

Yup these are the people you got yourself into bed with.

Mr Opinion

Re your question to me earlier this morning, at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=9359&page=0#315830

On legal actions against Trump after his incitement of insurrrection against the US Government (ie. Capitol (Parliament) Building). Its not up to an agency of the US (eg. FBI) to unseat a President. Its up to Congress (House and Senate) to unseat him.

Of options:

1. In this context at hand, the 25TH Amendment of the Constitution is for Disability. Trump isn't disabled.

2. IMPEACHMENT? Initially Impeachment by the US House of Reps may be a break on Trump's misbehaviour - but maybe not. Trump's previous Impeachment by the House didn't have much effect.

Getting Impeachment through the Senate would likely take longer than the 12 days before Trump steps down anyway. Impeachment might not even be passed by the Senate.

BUT

3. There may be an option of Censuring Trump under SECTION 3 of the 14th Amendment.

This is along the lines: no officer of the United States...engaged in insurrection...can hold any office, civil or military, under the United States or in a State.

If successfully used Trump could not ever again run President (in 2024 or any other time) or hold any other US or State office - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Text

That last possibility is suggested by NYT columnist, David Brooks, here http://youtu.be/eSjlgSUn5sU?t=43m58s . Though Brooks says "Article 3" by mistake when it is really SECTION 3 of the 14th Amendment.

FEAR TRUMP WILL START MAJOR WAR TO EXTEND PRESIDENCY

Losing the House, the Election, the Presidency, the Senate, has tarnished Trump's self-proclaimed image of being a "Winner" and "Genius".

Regret for 364,029 Covid dead Americans does not pass Trump's lips. http://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100klast7days

But what more can Trump wreck before 21 Jan (our time)?

Well quite a lot.

Say bombing or Cruise missiling IRAN. The last using the massive Cruise missile armed SSGN submarine already in the Persian Gulf, next to Iran. See http://asiatimes.com/2020/12/us-bulks-up-persian-gulf-presence-with-ohio-class-sub/

Or Trump may decide to start a War with CHINA (in Trump's reckoning) to extend his Presidency during an international emergency - that Trump, himself, creates.
___________

Nancy PELOSI knows Trump's little peccadillos. So she has taken bold action.

Politico reports, 8 Jan, http://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/08/pelosi-trump-take-away-nuclear-codes-456529

"PELOSI ASKS JOINT CHIEFS ABOUT PREVENTING TRUMP FROM LAUNCHING NUKES"

The president is 'unhinged' and the nation must be protected from him, she wrote in a letter to colleagues.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi spoke with [the Joint Chiefs Chairman, General Mark Milley] the nation's top military officer on Friday. [This was about] precautions in place to prevent President Donald Trump from ordering a nuclear strike

or conducting other military hostilities as Democrats seek his removal from office.

The stunning revelation came in a letter from the speaker to House Democrats outlining next steps following a violent breach of the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday by Trump supporters. Pelosi said she spoke to Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley about guardrails in place that could prevent "an unstable president" from wielding the military or the country's nuclear arsenal...." MORE
_________

Nothing should surprise us about Trump.

Yes Armchair I think you are right. The US constitution needs a rewrite.
It was written in the days when to get the vote count to Washington
someone got on a horse and road to Washington, perhaps a week or more away.
They updated the voting system but left it wide open to corruption.
Indeed some voting electorates do seem to have been fiddled.
It probably can't be proved one way or another now but the system is
very insecure.
And that is where their difficulty arises.
There have been sworn affidavits about what happened in some voting
places but all that has been swept aside as "non of our business".
No matter whether it would have made a difference as to who won
the accusation is still there and will haunt Biden for four years.

It will sit there as a running sore because it was never resolved.
Of such things are revolutions made.

Nothing should surprise us about Trump....
plantagenet,
...and the viciousness of the Democrats ! Traitors of the worst kind !

I note Elon Musk has condemned Zuckerberg for deleting Trumps please for Peace and no violence, that was so blame could be placed on Trump for the breaking the security lines as the Left have posted on this thread. The Left are seeking Impeachment and arrests of those that were involved in entering the House. They never said a word about the breaches of BLM.

The USA voting just needs to be made compulsory and those that do not vote need a valid reason to be excused. The Same as Australia to be democratically acceptable.

plantagenet,

If you believe all that then you're as silly as Pelosi.

For those trying to excuse this assault on American democracy this is worth watching.

http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/chris-99178053752

Crowds chanting “Hang Mike Pence”.

Officers threatened with violence which was being visited on their comrades including one who had his skull caved in by a fire extinguisher making them move aside.

An insurrectionist with plastic flex cuff to secure the 'traitors' like Pence.

What is really disturbing is the thought of what would have happened if hey had manage to get hold of people like Pelosi.

Trump saying “We're going to have to fight much harder” “We're going to walk down to the CAPITAL” “You'll never take back our country if you show weakness, you will have to show strength and you will have to be strong”.

Josephus,

The reason Australia has compulsory voting is to ensure that there is full political participation by the nation.

In the US this is not part of the political culture. I have never seen a reason for it but can only assume it is just historical consequence aimed at keeping the franchise to a specific group in the early years and the US just never got around to making it compulsory.

I think it is a good idea. Everyone should be able to play a part in their political system even if is is just as the occasional voter.

And not everyone in Australia votes. Only those 18 and above.

Its good to see you again Armchair Critic.

As I’ve said before, you can always tell when even SR realises he’s talking rubbish…he starts his post with an ad hominem eg “You are being pathetic useful idiot.”

SR,

My post had precisely nothing, nix, nada to do with the investigation into Biden’s efforts to stop an investigation into Burisma. It was about the Hunter files and what they showed about the way the Democrat aristocracy convert influence into bribes. More importantly, it was about the successful efforts of the media/big tech/FBI to suppress the truth.

Additionally, had the Biden inquiry had access to the Hunter files, that inquiry would probably have had a very different outcome. They didn’t have access because the FBI was hiding the information. I’ll leave you to ponder why.

I was going to ask how SR so badly misunderstood my post, but then I realised that this is someone whose ability to utterly misunderstand the written word is exceeded only by his ability to completely screw up numbers

NEW VIDEO OF VIOLENT MOB DURING CAPITOL INSURRECTION

Thanks SteeleRedux

A chilling Video http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/chris-99178053752

Trump has blood on his hands.

Good policemen, working for their country, murdered by the mob.

Trump trying to set the mob on Mike Pence.

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump tries to give these insurrectionist-Terrorists a blanket Pardon!

The mob beating up journalists.

A policeman screaming in AGONY.

Trump reported as "being delighted" by the mob's attack.

Any fair trial of the insurrectionist-Terrorists should happen after 20 January.
_____________________________

I RECKON EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/chris-99178053752

before they comment again, including GrahamY.

So not only was the Trump and the Trump revolution virulently opposed by the globalist elite on the left and within the media/big tech, but also by many parts of the bureaucracy who saw their position of privilege threatened.

We know from the collusion hoax and the efforts to spy on the Trump campaign and later on the Trump Whitehouse, that the FBI/DOJ/State Dept were anti-Trump and anti-deplorables from the outset.

But the FBI’s attempts to squash the information found on the Hunter computer was truly amazing and demonstrated that Trump and his supporters never really stood a chance. The entire apparatus of the state were at the disposal of the Democrats and big tech.

The FBI was, naively, given the Hunter computer in December 2019. But they sat on it and tried to kill the story. Even as Trump was impeached on silly claims concerning Burisma and Ukraine, the FBI hid evidence that demonstrated that Trump was absolutely right to try to look into what was going on. The FBI was helping efforts to impeach a president when they had proof that the impeachment was utterly invalid.

A democracy cannot exist when the full efforts of the state are devoted to suppress the rights of a plurality of the citizenry

Dear mhaze,

You write;

“My post had precisely nothing, nix, nada to do with the investigation into Biden’s efforts to stop an investigation into Burisma.”

Yawn.

“A cut of those funds was then passed back to the family elder eg Sleepy Joe, or as he was dubbed in the Hunter files, ‘the big guy’ got 50% of whatever Hunter pilfered.”

Anyway these files you speak of, are they from the mysterious computer which according to the Daily Mail here in Oz had thousands of child porn images along with a picture of Hunter asleep with a crack pipe hang from his mouth?

So why are you spending so much effort in trying to distract a thread which is about “Trump Caused Riot: Capitol Building”? Would it be because it shows your president in such an extraordinarily toxic light? Sorry mate, no amount of distraction is going to help your buffoon now. He and his legacy are done and dusted.

Dear Bazz,

You opine “Mhaze, you did bring up something I saw a while back; that Biden does not qualify for the highest security clearance.”

Lol.

Neither did Trump's lot but he just “approved Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump's security clearances over the objections of John Kelly and Don McGahn.”

So do you see any reason why Biden couldn't just do the same?

That's the problem now with you lot. What you have been prepared to accept from your president has stripped any hope of you honestly challenging poor and corrupt behaviour of other politicians.

“Much of the media refused to carry relevant information to try to bury Trump, and that media includes privileged platforms like Twitter that are free from defamation laws because they claim to be open public space. “ GrahamY

“I notice the local media are not making that distinction so far. “ Bazz

“But I guess the left control the media” Canem Malum

“The Media have viscously aligned Trump with the deaths of people from Covid, but they do not blame Boris for the UK's or Merckel for Germany , Macron for France or Mattarella for Italy. This demonstrates their bigotry and hatred of the American President.” Josephus

“The reason they were unaware of the files was that the legacy media and social media moguls decided to suppress the information. All talk of it was banned from many social media fora and a general blackout was enforced in the main media organisations.” mhaze

But when a royal commission I called for into the influence of the Murdoch empire on Australian politics all you pipe up with: 'They are a private company and entitled to make their own decisions on what they publish'.

Well which is it to be?

'Its good to see you again Armchair Critic.'

Thanks Canem Malum

This was an attempt to change the Government; On March 1, 1954 four Puerto Rican terrorists opened fire from a gallery in the United States House of Representatives, striking five congressmen. The terrorists were from a nationalist group that wanted to separate from the United States, although 82% of Puerto Ricans had voted for an independent commonwealth under U. S. rule.

What happened this week was not as the protesters were unarmed though disappointed. Many of those that violated the building were rabble found at any rally against the Government.
http://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2021/01/06/who-helped-antifa-storm-the-capitol/

SteeleRedux said- "But when a royal commission I called for into the influence of the Murdoch empire on Australian politics all you pipe up with: 'They are a private company and entitled to make their own decisions on what they publish'. Well which is it to be?"

Answer- Clean out the ABC. Legislate social media to allow all discussion not outside the law. The Murdoch media is not the problem. The other media outlets are. Ironically Murdoch who became a US citizen seems to be the only one supporting Australia's interest. I didn't always like Murdoch- I saw "Outfoxed" like everyone else- but now he's my hero- he's not perfect- but he's Australian. When I think of Melbourne I think of Elisabeth and the greatness brought from relatively humble backwater beginnings.

It's amazing what peoples words give away- about themselves...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Waldo_Emerson

"Who you are speaks so loudly I can't hear what you're saying."

I note many admire Nancy Pelosi who has removed terms of identity, mother, father, son, daughter, man, woman from reports given in the House. This is part of the lefts destruction of language to remove identity because it identifies gender. It is she that is proposing Impeachment of President Trump, and the Left here are supporting her.

Dear Armchair Critic,

Mate, I know most of us like a good argument but it takes a special skill to create one out of thin air and then state your case without blushing.

No one said, hinted, even implied that you need to like Biden if you dislike Trump. This was a textbook straw man effort on your behalf.

So when you ask “Where the hell does that logic actually come from?” in this case it very much comes from yourself. I think most of us can take or leave Biden too, but he sure as hell is a lot better than a venal, debased, corrupt, bullying, misogynistic, trash talking, Putin loving, nepotistic, carpet bagger.

Dear Canem Malum,

Murdoch is not an Australian in any shape or form. He renounced his citizenship to ease his business dealings in the US. He is a fully fledged Yank and for you to claim otherwise is utterly disingenuous.

Dear Josephus,

The woman who was shot as she led the charge to break in with the mob into area where members of Congress were sheltering (the video I linked to earlier shows the incident) was named as Ashli Babbitt.

This is from the New York Times:

“Ms. Babbitt had left the Air Force after two wars and 14 years, settling near the working-class San Diego suburb where she was raised. … As a civilian, she found herself newly free to express her political views. Her social media feed was a torrent of messages celebrating President Trump; QAnon conspiracy theories; and tirades against immigration, drugs and Democratic leaders in California.
“You guys refuse, refuse to choose America over your stupid political party, I am so tired of it,” she said in a video message posted on Twitter, addressing California politicians.

End quote.

Yet you are linking to blogs spouting titles like “Who helped ANTIFA storm the Capitol”?

Why? It is a crazed and deeply psychotic ignoring of the facts. You have created an alternative reality for yourself and while it is amusing to watch it must be taking a toll.

Seems Pelosi has got assurances from the US top military warmongers that the maniac Trump would be prevented from launching a nuclear strike against innocent men, women and children in Iran and/or China, thus setting off WWIII. Trump would do this in a last ditched attempt to hold onto power by declaring a state of emergency and placing the country under his dictatorial control. Can we trust the word of American warmongering generals who have blood on their hands themselves? They might be just as crazy as Trump and some of the poster on OLO!

Hi SR,

I'm puzzled about your highlighting Trump's good side with your description of him as " ..... a venal, debased, corrupt, bullying, misogynistic, trash talking, Putin loving, nepotistic, carpet bagger."

Surely his worse side is all too obvious ?

Joe

"...Yet you are linking to blogs spouting titles like “Who helped ANTIFA storm the Capitol”?

Why...' Because he doesn't subscribe to Snopes.

Paul,

You seem to have caught the Pelosi Virus as well, fortunately, it's not very infectious and common sense is a good vaccine.

I've noticed that Snopes is careful in dealing with Facebook. It's an interesting organisation. I think I'll reserve judgement on whether they are biased.

Seem, come Jan 20th its not going to be so easy for the Republican Party to flush the Trump turd down the toilet. Trump has control of the finances of the federal party and many of the state branches as well. Should they try and flush the crap away, he'll send them broke for such loyalty!

Paul1405,

In the aftermath of what will go down in the history books as 'Trump's Insurrection of January 6' it might turn out that Trump will be needing the GOP a lot more than they need him.

He might be wise to start doing deals if he wants to stay out of jail.

.

Dear Plantagenet,

.

Thanks for the link to that MSNBC video. It faithfully records much of what happened as I observed it live on American TV during the insurrection.

It also faithfully records the manner Captain Ahab (alias Donald the dictator), his chief legal advisor and personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and Missouri Republican Senator Josh Hawley all fired up the president’s supporters in preparation for the attack on the Capitol.

Captain Ahab (alias Donald the dictator) had tweeted at 1:42 AM on 19 December 2020 :

« Big protest in D.C. on Jan 6th. Be there, will be wild ! »

Rudy Giuliani enflamed the president’s supporters on the day of the riot, telling them to settle the election by a “trial by combat”.

Alabama Republican House Representative, Mo Brooks, shouted from the stand that it was time to start “taking down names and kicking ass”.

Captain Ahab (alias Donald the dictator) stoked up the fire by declaring :

« We will never give up. We will never concede … We’re going to have to fight much harder and Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us. If he doesn’t, that’s going to be a sad day for our country. We’re going to walk down to the capitol … you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong »

Despite what he declared to the rioters, Captain Ahab (alias Donald the dictator) did not “walk down to the Capitol” with them. He discretely went back to the White House and watched it on TV, letting his gullible supporters to do the dirty work.

Those are, indeed, the facts, Plantagenet.

However, you add :

« I wouldn't be surprised if Trump tries to give these insurrectionist-Terrorists a blanket Pardon! »

Perhaps, Plantagenet, but he later declared :

« to those who broke the law, you will pay »

They are his alibi for denying all responsibility for what happened. His thick-headed supporters did that. They are to blame. Not him, Captain Ahab (alias Donald the dictator.

.

The Left talk scaremongering nonsense to imagine Trump might cause WW111, He is the one who claims America should not have our men fighting in foreign Countries.

http://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2020/10/09/trump-wants-the-troops-home-from-afghanistan-by-christmas/

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/national-security/2020/july/trump-to-pull-12-000-us-troops-from-germany-bring-6-400-of-them-home

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_War_+_Peace.htm

Josephus,

You're talking as if Trump just won the election and is preparing for his inauguration in two weeks.

Please, I beg you: turn the TV on and watch the news!

There's no man on this Planet who could weather as much hounding by criminals & maggots as was dished out onto Trump !

Mr O,

We know how gullible and naïve conservative people can be, just take one look at the mob on this forum. Such is the case with the American conservative party (Republicans), they got duped by Trump and happily climbed aboard the Trump bus. Trump jumped into the drives seat, shut the doors, and took off at a million miles an hour in the wrong direction. The conservative sods were stuck, a couple screamed "your going in the wrong direction", but most of em' just sat there dumb struck, and not knowing what to do, hoping the mad driver would stop soon. Well the other day the bus stopped, when the mad driver crashed into the Capitol Building!

All the people criticising Donald Trump are so narcissistic themselves that they don't realise that nothing they have howled or screeched about the man has had the slightest effect on him.

Just look at the Left wing mob on this forum how they reacted to the $2 Billion damage caused by Antifa and BLM and their Media sources celebrating, But when two windows and a door were damaged at the Capital building by rioters at a Trump rally their Media prophecy end of Democracy is near. It indicates their level of hatred of the 74 million who vote Republican.

Just a question about the US electoral process:

There are Democratic states and Republican states. In each state (and territory), the state government appoints its own electoral officials - isn't that so ?

So in Republican states, Republicans would be likely to have been appointed to run their state elections. They would have overseen every step of the process. Isn't that so ?

So, if there was fraud in the voting process in those states, those Republican officials would have been aware of it. Isn't that so ?

None have reported any fraud, not any that came to the attention of their state courts - and those officials, the judiciary, also would have been appointed by their state administrations. Isn't that so ?

I find that quite amazing, as 100 % proof that there was no fraud in any state's electoral processes.

Move on. Suck it up.

Joe

Josephus,

The word 'hypocrisy' doesn't even begin to describe the Leftists, who have been rioting and destroying ever since Donald Trump was elected.

In response to my pointing out that SR had utterly misrepresented and/or misunderstood my post about the suppressing of evidence that the Bidens are beholden to entities in China and elsewhere, SR says “Yawn”.

That, folks, is SR’s way of admitting error (or worse). A better man would have….well we are talking about SR so how can expect better.

SR then includes me in some made-up list of those who opposed Murdoch Royal Commission. Since I didn’t post at all on that thread, clearly this is just another of the fantasies SR contrives.
A better man would now….well we are talking about SR so how can expect better.

SR asks “So why are you spending so much effort in trying to distract a thread which is about “Trump Caused Riot: Capitol Building”?”
The so-called riot was a result of the myriad provocations from the left media, left big tech and globalist elites. Trump and the deplorables have had an election win and a chance to re-make the US in ways to make their lives tolerable ripped from their grasp by a combination of monumental electoral fraud and outright media lies and censorship.
As such, the so-called riots are entirely understandable in the same way the left spent a year believing the Antifa riots were justified. (Riots I’d point out SR fully excused).

It is claimed the riots were an attack on democracy. But they weren’t, because democracy had already been subverted. The left have seized power over the heads of the people and (some of) the people won’t take it. Recent polls have a majority of Republicans and a plurality of Democrats believing that a civil war is more likely than not, that a plurality of all USians think Trump won the election, and that Trump’s approval rating has increased since the so-called riots. Ponder that.

I’m not offering a distraction. I’m explaining the background behind the uprising.

Can we all agree to make reference to 'Trump's Insurrection' so that we are all focusing on the same thing?

Plantagenet said-

"I RECKON EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/chris-99178053752
before they comment again, including GrahamY."

Answer-

I watched the video.

The reporter in the video perhaps was trying to copy Fox- Tucker Carlson's style- lefties must think his style is effective.

I can't see that President Trump encouraged people to be violent- he told them to turn up- maybe I need to watch it again. There are obviously many people that are very concerned with the direction that the US is heading. President Trump for them is the only one who can turn it around.

In history traitors were hanged and they believe that Vice President Pence is a traitor- I don't think that the people wanted to actually hang Pence- but they were very angry- and these things can get out of control- I don't understand why Pence decided not to support Trump whether it was for personal reasons or otherwise whether Trump is viewing his authority in a different way to Pence.

I suppose that many things are "out of control" at the moment in the US- this is just one of them. The BLM protests were allowed to go on for months- in multiple cities- this was one day in one city. I'm not sure how many people died how many shops were destroyed because of the BLM protests.

There is an author Frank Kitson that talks of the stages of Communist Insurgency- what is happening in the US since 2016 sounds very much like it

From the Sun-

Trump made repeated calls for Pence to block the vote that would certify Joe Biden's election victory.
During his speech at the "Save America March" on Wednesday, Trump urged Pence to "do the right thing."

Trump said: "Mike Pence has to agree to send it back."
As Trump spoke, Pence released a statement, stating he would not block Congress from Certifying Biden as the president-elect and did not have the authority to do so.
"It is my considered judgment that my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not," Pence said.
He added: "When the Join Session of Congress convenes today, I will do my duty to seeto it that we open the certificates of the Electors of the several states, we hear objections raised by Senators and Representatives and, and we count the votes of the Electoral College for President and Vice President in a manner consistent with our Constitution, laws, and history."

Canem Malum,

I think what Trump's Insurrection has now shown everybody is that Trump has no concept of right and wrong, morality and immorality, or civil obedience and civil disobedience.

I think he got it off his old grand pappy Frederick who built the best little whore house in the Yukon.

To Mr Opinion- In the past you've shown yourself to be reasonably rational- in a sense- so in this case I'll bow to your superior knowledge- until I have reason to believe otherwise- but I still like Trump.

LM,

“There are Democratic states and Republican states. In each state (and territory), the state government appoints its own electoral officials - isn't that so ?”

No. As in – not even close.

Firstly, while there are some states that a wholly red or blue (eg California) they are a rarity. Most states have combinations of Republican governors and Democrat legislatures, or one house red and another blue or any of the myriad combinations of that (eg Pennsylvania).

Whatismore, even if one side or t’other currently holds sway, that doesn’t necessarily mean that they can unilaterally set new rules or appoint new electoral overseers. Checks and balances often make such things quite difficult.

Further, in many states the local county has a large degree of autonomy over their election. If you followed this with any degree of scepticism you’d have heard about Fulton County in Georgia which in a large part responsible for the electoral fraud in that state.

Finally, you make the mistake of thinking of Republicans and Democrats as though they are Libs and Labs. But the situation in the US is much more fluid than that. You’ll remember that Trump, an outsider, had to beat 16 Republican insiders to get the nomination in 2016. Well some of those insiders and their supporters never accepted the result and continue to believe they can retake control of the party for their own benefit if only Trump were gone. These are the so-called never-Trumpers. The head electoral officer in Georgia, a nominal Republican, is also a never-Trumper. His actions, or lack thereof, demonstrate a desire to be rid of Trump in the hope that he and his like can resume their previous privileged position. The welfare of the nation and the democracy runs a distant second in the minds of such people.

So, LM, what you say is way too simplistic. But that’s OK. The whole media push to deny the obvious fraud is based on people’s simplistic understand of the facts.

Canem Malum,

You can like Trump if you wish but I must inform you that I think he has a undiagnosed mental illness.

All zer OLO GutenTrumpen should vatch this "Voters For Trump" vid http://youtu.be/Qg0pO9VG1J8

Sieg Heil!

Sieg Heil!

Sieg Heil Trump.

Insurrection

Noun.
a violent uprising against an authority or government.
"the insurrection was savagely put down" ·
synonyms:
rebellion · revolt · uprising · mutiny · revolution · insurgence · insurgency · rising · rioting · riot · sedition · civil disobedience · civil disorder · unrest · anarchy · fighting in the streets · coup · coup d'état · jacquerie · putsch

Let's call the Capitol riot just what it was, a minor riot by American or World standards.

Hi Is Mise,

Yes, and adding: "unprecedented, and causing the loss of five lives."

Bugger-all really.

Joe

Loud mouth2, It seems to be true that fraud did not happen everywhere.
There are a number of sworn affidavits (a false affidavit is a criminal offense.)
One such that I saw in Michigan I think it was, was by an IT consultant
who was on site in case there were problems. She saw mishandling of
the ballots, If one was misread by the mark sensing terminal instead
of the ballot that was misread the whole batch was put through again.
The computer that the mark sensing terminals were connected to had the
facility for the operator to pick out the faulty ballot mark it as it
seems voter intended or disregard that ballot and accept the rest of the batch.
That was not done the whole batch were reread. Poor training perhaps.
The other point in the affidavit was that the IT consultant noticed
that the computer was connected to a network. She attempted to find
out where the connection went as it went outside the building and that
was contrary to the specs. She attempted to look further into it but
was brusquely told to mind her own business and get back behind the barrier..
She presented that evidence at a state government hearing but it was
not taken up by the state senate panel.
There were a number like that and the manual shows that there is
a feature for a remote terminal to enter and change data.
It is wide open for fraud and was written to fiddle the Venezuelan elections.

Is Mise,

Absolutely not!

Let's call it what it will be remembered in history as: The Trump Insurrection of January 6, 2020.

Mr Opinion- I think all humans have undiagnosed mental illnesses- that is part of the contemporary doctor monopoly- a legacy of Liberalism- which was once managed by family- maybe it's the doctors that have the illnesses. Sounds like a good time for a toast to us in our salon- "may our perspicacity be long and our delusions short... and vigorous. Cheers"

Mhaze,

Of course. But for all that and all that, do you really think that, if there was a gigantic fraud perpetrated in every electoral office across the country, not a single electoral official - Democrat or Republican or Independent - spilled the beans about it, even accidentally, to anyone ?

Another thing: the Capitol buildings are under the authority of the city authorities of Washington DC, ultimately under the Mayor. So the thugs may not have breached federal laws, but may have breached city [municipal] laws. Any incitement for them to mindlessly riot therefore also may have breached city laws.

So if Trump incited those thugs before pissing off back to the safety of the White House, then is it possible that he broke some Washington city laws ? Once he is no longer King or Dictator, can he be charged for the incitement to riot and to illegally trespass on iconic national property ? Will he be allowed to leave the White House and slink back to Florida unscathed ?

Or will he be arrested as a common criminal, held until his trial, tried and jailed ? If treason is added to his charge sheet, and it is still punishable by the death penalty, how long before he is executed ? Gosh, wouldn't that be terrible ?!

Joe

The justice system is now in play and I assume we will get to see the post Trump insurrection soap opera play out on our TV screens and in the media for some time yet.

It might just turn out to be bigger than Watergate.

And with world attention focused on Trump getting his comeuppance it might just be the moment Foul-Mouth's buddies in Beijing are looking for to launch a strike against Taiwan.

If there ever was an inciter of hatred, it's Pelosi !

Yes, Misop, I hope that Biden has been in constant private talks with the US military leaders about that possibility. These next ten days or so, and the months afterwards, will be crucial in setting US policy, in taking the most effective practical measures to protect Taiwan, and position fleets and air defences across the western Pacific.

If China were to attack its neighbours (as I think it will within the next five or ten years, maybe far sooner), then which country will it go for first ? Japan ? South Korea ? Vietnam ? India ? It's had a go at all of them, so they all have bitter memories of Chinese aggression. Perhaps it will mop up small countries like Nepal and Bhutan first, sort of trial runs. But those others will fight like hell. And China has had its arse kicked by some of them, notably Vietnam.

Yes, eventually, if the Chinese totalitarians succeed in invading those countries, then the Philippines, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, many Pacific countries, and eventually Australia and NZ will be next.

But will China have time - or will it grow old before it builds up enough military strength OR won't that matter, given that modern military technology can be operated by people of any age, it doesn't depend on young and fit soldiers any more ?

But still, if I were you, I would piss off from China ASAP, without telling your handler.

Joe

individual,
>If there ever was an inciter of hatred, it's Pelosi !
What has she ever done to incite hatred (other than against herself)?

Hi Individual,

I must have missed Nancy Pelosi haranguing a crowd for an hour or so, inciting them to march on one of the hallowed citadels of the US, bringing about the deaths of five people, and pissing off back to her office. Can you provide any news links ?

If she DID incite crowds to carry out those criminal acts, then she should be charged and jailed, I'm sure you would agree ?

Yes ? After all, she's not one of yours. No ? After all, your mongrel-in-chief IS one of yours, isn't he ? Or have you also jumped ship ?

Joe

Hi Individual,

I must have missed Nancy Pelosi haranguing a crowd for an hour or so, inciting them to marh on one of the hallowed monuments of the US, bringing about the deaths of five people, and pissing off back to her office. Can you provide any news links ?

If she DID incite crowds to carry out those criminal acts, then she should be charged and jailed, I'm sure you would agree ?

Yes ? After all, she's not one of yours. No ? After all, your mongrel-in-chief IS one of yours, isn't he ? Or have you also jumped ship ?

Joe

Trump's Insurrection Funny No.2

http://youtu.be/wT5kafhG3Qw?t=1m16s

TRUMP'S SEDITION

or is this Trump's Sedition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition

"Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech
and organisation, that tends toward rebellion against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent toward, or rebellion against, established authority.

...On 6 JANUARY 2021, in an attempt to stop the formal certification of the electoral votes for Joseph R. Biden in the US Presidential election of 2020, a group of right-wing protestors, encouraged by or at the behest of the outgoing president, DONALD J. TRUMP,

infiltrated the US Capitol building and overpowered the Capitol Police. Michael Sherwin, the US Attorney for the District of Columbia, told the Associated Press: "All of those charges [sedition, unauthorized access, theft of federal property] are on the table...

We’re not going to keep anything out of our arsenal for potential charges. We will bring the most maximum charges we can based upon the conduct."

LM...

asked me.."do you really think that, if there was a gigantic fraud perpetrated c, not a single electoral official - Democrat or Republican or Independent - spilled the beans about it, even accidentally, to anyone ?"

"in every electoral office across the country" ? Struth!!

Struth. Since I've never said anything of the sort, perhaps that's a give-away that I don't think it.

Indeed nobody that I'm aware of has said it. No-one. So LM thinks that because something that no-one thinks happened, didn't happen, that proves his case. Somehow he thinks (for want of a better word) that since it didn't happen everywhere, it'd didn't happen anywhere. Real analytic thinking there!!

LM then, realising he's on a loser, rushes to change the subject by explaining how Trump will be gaoled for incitement. Well Trump didn't incite the so-called riot.

But if he did then perhaps he'll share a cell with granny Pelosi who, back in 2018 called for an "uprising" against the government. But that's different because....well just because.

Or perhaps they could have three in the cell with Kamala who not only supported the BLM riots/looting but called for them to continue.

Those who have taken control of the levers of power in the US via their electoral subversion, are wasting no time in consolidating the revolution.

Apart from a swathe of conservative voices being silenced, they've no taken to removing actual free-speech sites. Parler, the Facebook equivalent that was gaining 100's of 1000's of new users since the election as it became obvious that Big Tech had every intention of closing down any unapproved views, has been de-platformed by Google, Apple and Amazon.

I'm loathe to go Godwin, but anyone who knows anything about the Reichstag Fire in 1933, will see uncomfortable parallels.

Joe,

Only two dead, one by a criminal act and one by a lawful act and that fits within the non-major riot league by World and Us riots, the other dead were, as has so far been reported, were from natural causes.

"Violence erupted last week in Kenosha, Wisconsin after Jacob Blake was shot in the back by police. The mayhem followed a familiar pattern, with daytime protests devolving into night-time looting and arson. But rage-fueled anarchy is no substitute for reform-based policy, and as violence in the streets continues, as it has in Portland, it is becoming a problem for election-year Democrats.

Press outlets have generally tried to downplay the violent aspects of the protests, sometimes going to absurd lengths. CNN’s Omar Jimenez reported live from Kenosha in front of burning businesses while a chyron described the scene as “fiery but mostly peaceful protests.” The narrative “buildings burn at peaceful protest” is Orwellian doublethink in action. This would be like reporting that most protesters were unharmed in Kenosha even though three were shot, two of them fatally, allegedly by a white 17-year-old who thought of himself as a militia member. Pro tip: arson and shootings are news, the rest is context."
Violence erupted last week in Kenosha, Wisconsin after Jacob Blake was shot in the back by police. The mayhem followed a familiar pattern, with daytime protests devolving into night-time looting and arson. But rage-fueled anarchy is no substitute for reform-based policy, and as violence in the streets continues, as it has in Portland, it is becoming a problem for election-year Democrats."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/08/31/riots-violence-erupting-turning-many-away-blm-and-protests-column/5675343002/

See the difference?

Dear mhaze,

Firstly to Trump's approval ratings. Long standing polling company Gallop records show that Trump was the only President on their books who never to have an approval rate of at least 50%.

Other elected presidents in December of fourth year
Barack Obama 53 Dec 2012
George W. Bush 51 Dec 2004
Bill Clinton 58 Dec 1996
George H.W. Bush49 Dec 1992
Ronald Reagan 59 Dec 1984
Jimmy Carter 34 Dec 1980
Richard Nixon 59 Dec 1972

So the only one lower than him at that stage was Carter.

He has always been a constantly dislike president and you are try to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear and failing miserably as always.
http://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

As I have repeatedly stated Trump is the only president in the last 130 years not to have earned his presidency at least once by winning the majority of the votes from the citizenry.

He only got his mandate via the electoral college. Not by the people. Hardly text book democracy in anyone's language.

There was no proven fraud in this election. Fulton County had no substantiated fraud in its processes and you haven't given a single instance of it here. The election did not hinge on a single county.

You are regurgitating Trump Insurrectionist's talking points. “because democracy had already been subverted. The left have seized power over the heads of the people and (some of) the people won’t take it.” Utter projection from you once again.

Give it a rest.

Mhaze,

With Trumpf's thugs trying to take over the Capitol buildings, your evoking of the Reichstag fire is more appropriate than you may think. It didn't work this time around.

Sorry, I couldn't really follow your 'logic' in the previous post. My point was that, across the country, no electoral officials reported fraud. Amazing, I know. Surely, one would think, there would instances of dopey bastards trying it on. But, it seems, no. No fraud. Anywhere. Amazing, but there you go.

Your mob can't take a trick, can it ?

Joe

Dear loudmouth2,

You can see from mhaze's post how this works. First it was the Democrats to blame, then it was the media, then it was the big tech companies, then it was never-Trumpers, then it was Republican Governors, then it was Republican election officials, then it was the Trump appointed federal judges, then it was the Republican stacked Supreme Court and finally it was the Republican Vice President who Trump's mob wanted hung.

It is so reminiscent of the quote;

“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”

Typical fascist playbook and had we had a Trump with the smarts of Nixon this could have ended a hell of a lot worse.

"The Iranian government has filed a “red notice” with Interpol that requests the arrest of US president Donald Trump and 47 other American officials for the assassination of Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps major general Qassem Soleimani on 3 January 2020.

“The Islamic Republic of Iran is very seriously following up on pursuing and punishing those who ordered and executed this crime,” said Iranian judiciary spokesman Gholamhossein Esmaili as reported by Al Jazeera.

Interpol didn’t grant a previous arrest request by Tehran prosecutor Ali Alqasimehr, when he issued an international warrant in June for the arrest of Mr Trump and other officials at the Pentagon and US central command on “murder and terrorism charges”.

Rejecting the June request, Interpol said that its own constitution forbids it from taking on any "intervention or activities of a political, military, religious or racial character”."

They're all getting into the act.

Trumpests might consider No.3 "FUNNY"

Watch a policeman SCREAMING in AGONY

http://youtu.be/QVZvp-Dv0gg?t=1m5s

As Trump's MOB bash through the Capitol front doors.
____________________

The police couldn't fight back because they are ultimately employees of Trump.

And the police realised they and their families would forever be targeted by Trump's (Immune Because They are White) THUGS.

Here's a real riot in the USofA;

"Los Angeles, April 29-May 4, 1992. The beating of Rodney King, and the subsequent acquittal of the LAPD officers for that beating (which was caught on camera and viewed by millions of people around the world) led to the worst riot in the United States since the late 1960s. You all know the story -- 63 people died, racial tensions between Korean and black communities intensified, and Adam Sandler became famous for mocking George H.W. Bush on Saturday Night Live over his handling of the riots."

The above is No.5 on the list.
http://www.realclearhistory.com/articles/2018/05/02/10_deadliest_riots_in_us_history_302.html#!#:~:text=10%20Deadliest%20Riots%20in%20U.S.%20History%201.%20Manhattan%2C,Americas%20for...%203.%20Tulsa%2C%20May%2031-June%201%2C%20

There was considerable property damage as well.

Even Trump's buddy, Hitler, has deserted him after Trump's Insurrection http://youtu.be/XBO3plyuxK4?t=1m16s

Hitler states "Trump is out of control. Trump should be removed."

And Pelosi is listening.

What say you now TrumpsPets?
___________________________

Melania ditching Trump for hot stormy Stormy nights in the next 7 months. What's the betting? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormy_Daniels%E2%80%93Donald_Trump_scandal

plantagenet,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1m16s&v=XBO3plyuxK4&feature=youtu.be

That's a good one, reminded me of Pelosi.

plantagenet,

After seeing what Hitler thinks do you think there's a chance Trump might be able to escape to Brazil, get a head job to change his looks and shack up Stormy Daniels until the heat blows over? (Or should that be shack up with Stormy Daniels and then get a head job?)

Hi Issy,

Unfortunately the US has a long history of violence both internally and externally. Post WWII America has engaged in unjustified overseas wars in such places as Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Domestically the country is divided by inequality and racism. There are many reasons for America's propensity for violence. Of interest to you should be the power exercised by the NRA and their cohorts such as Proud Boys and the KKK particularly with Trump and the Republican Party. These people have close affinity to organisations in Australia such as the SSAA and their political arms One Nation, and the Shooters Party. We must be vigilant that these gun freaks never obtain any real power in Australia.

A couple of concerns with the Washington riot.

1. The presence of an Australian flag among the rioting mob.

2. The weak condemnation by ScumO' Morrison of Trump and the Washington violence in general. Maybe the little trinket Trump gave to Morrison has clouded Morrisons view. Then again he might be another Trumpster, there are several in the Liberal and National parties that have publically supported Trump and his white supremacist thugs.

SR Quotes popularity polls. "Firstly to Trump's approval ratings. Long standing polling company Gallop records show that Trump was the only President on their books who never to have an approval rate of at least 50%."

Other elected presidents in December of fourth year
Barack Obama 53 Dec 2012 votes = 65,915,795
George W. Bush 51 Dec 2004 votes = 62,040,610
Bill Clinton 58 Dec 1996 Votes = 47,401,185
George H.W. Bush 49 Dec 1992 votes 39,104,550
Ronald Reagan 59 Dec 1984 votes = 43,903,230
Jimmy Carter 34 Dec 1980 votes = 35,480,115
Richard Nixon 59 Dec 1972 -votes = 47,168,710
Donald Trump Dec 2020 Votes = 74,216,722 an increase over 2016

Was Trump Popular with the voters, obviously more popular than Obama

But the only poll that shows popularity is the Vote, where 74 million voted Trump.

Dear Josephus,

Mate even on that metric your tosser is a loser.

In 2008 the number of eligible voters was 213,313,508 and 32.58% of them voted for Obama.

Because the population of the US increased over that time in 2020 the number of eligible voters was 239,247,182 and only 31.02% of them voted for Trump.

Of course the vote that really mattered was Biden's at 81,283,098.

Give it away.

"You can see from mhaze's post how this works. First it was the Democrats to blame, then it was the media, then it was the big tech companies, then it was never-Trumpers, then it was Republican Governors, then it was Republican election officials, then it was the Trump appointed federal judges, then it was the Republican stacked Supreme Court and finally it was the Republican Vice President who Trump's mob wanted hung."

Standard SR. When you can't deal with my actual views. When they make toooo much sense for you to follow, then make up new views for me and then opinion how silly they are. Berk

LM,

I think you might need to research what is symbolised by the Reichstag fire. Sorry but I can't be bothered educating you any further.

SR,

Re Trump's approval rating. I was saying it increased but since you can't deal with that you go down a different rabbit hole. Standard SR.

I couldn't help but notice that you ignored the other data. Too raw?

Paul,

Nice rant; did you write it for your own amusement?

You should know that it's not good form to laugh at one's own jokes.

I meant to mention earlier that the Riley is going to be fitted with electronic (no points) ignition and EFI.

Issy,

Your huge win on Biden, after declaring TruMp a sure thing. LOL, I'd love to see your explanation. Is it on the PORKY AWARD THREAD?

Dear mhaze,

Mate you don't have actual views. When you get pulled up on anything they change at the drop of a hat.

'But that's not what I really meant and you know it.'

You just can't keep up with your own spin.

This is your current 'view' which is totally at odds with reality:

"Trump and the deplorables have had an election win and a chance to re-make the US in ways to make their lives tolerable ripped from their grasp by a combination of monumental electoral fraud and outright media lies and censorship."

They did not have a win they had a loss, in a landslide. Your President's party has lost control of the House, the Senate and the Presidency. Get over it.

.

Dear Mr Opinion,

.

You wrote to Canem Malum :

« You can like Trump if you wish but I must inform you that I think he has a undiagnosed mental illness »
.

According to the American Psychiatric Association :

• nearly one in five (19 percent) U.S. adults experience some form of mental illness
• one in 24 (4.1 percent) has a serious mental illness*
• one in 12 (8.5 percent) has a diagnosable substance use disorder

* Serious mental illness is a mental, behavioral or emotional disorder (excluding developmental and substance use disorders) resulting in serious functional impairment, which substantially interferes with or limits one or more major life activities. Examples of serious mental illness include major depressive disorder, schizophrenia and bipolar disorder :

http://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/what-is-mental-illness#:~:text=Mental%20illnesses%20are%20health%20conditions,Mental%20illness%20is%20common.
.

I cannot make a diagnostic on the mental health of Captain Ahab (alias Donald the dictator). I have no competence in such matters.

What I can say is that I have encountered a few people during my professional and private life whose “weltanschauung” (worldview) is very similar to that of Captain Ahab (alias Donald the dictator). It is what I think can best be described as a “topsy-turvy” view of the world. Everything is upside down and the wrong way round.

Facts are fiction. Beliefs are facts. Truths are lies. Friends are foes. Love is hate. Strength is weakness. Courage is cowardice. Loyalty is obedience. Devotion is servitude. Loss is victory. Fear is admiration … and add a “vice-versa” to each of those. Oh, and leadership is dictatorship – no questions asked !

That is the lens I have come to use to observe people like Captain Ahab (alias Donald the dictator). Naturally, the lens has to be adjusted for each individual until the image becomes perfectly clear.

Once the lens has been correctly focused, I no longer have any problem understanding the person’s “topsy-turvy” worldview and can better anticipate his or her erratic (error-atic) ideas and convictions and be better prepared for them.

Perhaps you might like to give it a try.

.

.

Congresswoman Nancy Mace of South Carolina was the only House Republican who certified the 2020 presidential election results of the Electoral College on 6 January.

Here is her testimony together with an interesting interview of Dr. Scott Huffmon, Professor of Political Science as well as the founder and Director of the Social & Behavioral Research Laboratory at Winthrop University, South Carolina :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wOhXcT6otM&ab_channel=SouthCarolinaETV

.

.

A pro-Captain Ahab (alias Donald the dictator) lawyer, Lin Wood, called for the Vice President Mike Pence to resign and face "execution by firing squad". He said the vice president would "sing like a bird" and confess to being a "main participant" in the "theft of the election" :

http://www.newsweek.com/pro-trump-lawyer-lin-woods-claims-against-mike-pence-prompt-calls-fbi-secret-service-scrutiny-1558509
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Federal police arrested Cleveland Grover Meredith Jr., who travelled from Colorado and had been staying at a Holiday Inn in Washington with weapons in his camper-style trailer, including a Glock handgun, a pistol, a Tavor X95 assault rifle and hundreds of rounds of ammunition.

He was charged with threatening Nancy Pelosi, the House speaker, after having sent a text message saying he would put “a bullet in her noggin on Live TV” :

http://indianexpress.com/article/world/man-with-assault-rifle-charged-with-threatening-nancy-pelosi-officials-say-7141074/
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Fur-clad man who entered Capitol says he acted after Trump put out call to 'patriots' He said he saw nothing wrong with his actions:

http://thehill.com/homenews/533490-fur-clad-man-who-entered-capitol-says-he-acted-after-trump-put-out-call-to-patriots

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Twitter, Instagram and Facebook have now all silenced Trump. It's about time posters with nothing better to do shut up as well and got a life that doesn't involve the president of a foreign country, over whom you have no influence whatever. You don't even get to vote for Australia's leader, let alone a foreign one.

ttbn,
I see you do not accept Australia's Alliances with the American Alliances as worthy of attention. The opposing powers in America are aligned with China and Iran, whom I assume you would be equally happy to servitude under. That is why America is worthy of attention, and needs a strong leader. Joe Biden is a weak individual a "yes man" to higher power and will serve Kamila Harris a strong personality.

Josephus,

I don't know what you have been smoking but is there any chance I can get some?

Paul,

If your memory wasn't affected by your delusions of humour you'd remember that I explained how I won.
I suggest that you leave the porky alone, you don't want to go blind as well.

.

All the individuals I cited above are psychologically vulnerable to megalomaniac predators such as Captain Ahab (alias Donald the dictator) and easily manipulated.

Ever since The Mayflower dropped anchor in Cape Cod in November 1620 with the first Pilgrims on board, successive generations of Americans have continued to perpetuate a pervasive, entrenched and unshakable culture of belief – not just religious belief – belief.

Still today, for many Americans, belief is paramount – whatever the facts and whatever the evidence – or lack of it.

It’s no wonder that professional con men and gurus of all sorts – such as Captain Ahab (alias Donald the dictator) – thrive in America.

They’re playing on velvet.

.

Hi Mhaze,

Sorry to be a nuisance, but what does the invasion of the US Capitol buildings by a bunch of armed but retarded adolescents, at the bidding of their disgruntled loser-leader, symbolise ?

Joe

Foul-Mouth,

Sorry to be a nuisance, but what does being a Chinese operative or collaborator symbolise?

Issy,

I didn't read anything where you explained HOW YOU WON on Biden, after declaring TRUMP a good thing. Maybe you backed Howie Hawkins and Jo Jorgensen, now maybe you can get one of them declared the winner, that all you got do. Always thought you were a Greenie and not a Gunnie at heart!

US elections have always been subject to fraud and voting machines make it more likely, you can't beat paper, pencils and compulsory attendance at the polls with computers.

"Weighted Vote Counting Was Used in Georgia
On December 6, 2020 a Dominion Voting Systems machine that was sequestered in Ware county Georgia revealed weighted vote counting after a forensic audit was conducted. The shocking results show that the machine reported 87% votes counted for President Trump and 113% counted for candidate Joe Biden. Essentially, an algorithm was discovered which altered the vote totals for each candidate.

Vote switching has been a hot topic since the 2020 United States General Election. Videos of real-time vote switching left many people questioning how and why that was happening. In addition, a “glitch” was reported in Pennsylvania that caught a 6000-vote shift from President Trump to candidate Biden. The “glitch” was discarded by the media as “human error” which was caught and reversed. However, human error does not account for the findings from the forensic audit. "
http://newrightnetwork.com/2020/12/bombshell-georgia-dominion-voting-machine-shows-weighted-vote-counting.html/

The above may or mayn't be true, time will tell.

Things can happen in Australia as well, the following is just an anecdote.

I remember as a child my father coming home and telling mum that there had been an attempt at diverting the Auburn ballot boxes.
Dad was a worker for John T.Lang and they'd got a tipoff so followed the truck that was taking the boxes into Sydney, it turned away from the city at Parramatta Rd so they chased it and persuaded the driver that he'd made a mistake then followed him into the city to make sure that his memory didn't lapse again.

Paul1405,

Is Mise and I went to the same anthropology school.

But he took up guns and I took up sociology.

Hi Issy,

As far as I'm aware votes have always been counted locally, even in the days of Lang. They were then phoned, or in more isolated locations telegrammed to the central counting location in Sydney. I've read all Jack Lang's books, and books about him several times, and I can't recall that story. In 'The Turbulent Years' Lang mentioned men of the New Guard waiting in ambush on the Parrmatta Rd late on night for him. The purpose being to kidnap Premier Lang as he drove himself home from Sydney. The Old Man told me Lang did have a big old black car, Lang go a tip off and was able to avoid the kidnappers.

My grandfather for years acted as returning officer at his small local school. When the polls closed at 8pm in those days, a count of about 40 ballots took not long, granddad would then drive his truck down to the Post Office and wake one of the old ladies who ran the joint so he could phone in the count to Orange, the main polling location. Mum always claimed if a local cow cockie asked, the old bloke would fill in a ballot for him and cross off his name, didn't want a fine. BTW; the count was always Country Party 40, Labor nil.

Paul,

If there was a demand for a recount then the original ballots would be needed, I don't think that it was an incident that was of any historical importance.
At around the same time, there were a few party workers beaten up, dad always carried a pistol.

Is Mise,

Well, at least we now know where your fetishism for guns comes from.

PENTAGON RELEASES TIMELINE ON PLANNING AND RESPONSE TO RIOT

CRITICAL POINTS:

- Washington Local Government leaders requested help from the Washington National Guard on 31 December. But US Capitol Police declined assistance from the Pentagon twice in the days BEFORE THE INSURRECTIONIST BREACH.

- IT TOOK SEVERAL HOURS after the INSURRECTIONIST BREACH before National Guard troops arrived.

- TRUMP SUPPORTERS are planning to return to Washington later this month for the INAUGURATION of Biden.
______________________

MORE DETAILS SEE http://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2021/01/09/Pentagon-releases-timeline-on-planning-and-response-to-riot/5081610233405/ on 9 Jan 2021.

Dear Is Mise,

Here is another riot for you.

“The Tulsa race massacre (known alternatively as the Tulsa race riot, the Greenwood Massacre, the Black Wall Street Massacre, the Tulsa pogrom, or the Tulsa Massacre) took place on May 31 and June 1, 1921, when mobs of white residents, many of them deputized and given weapons by city officials, attacked black residents and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma. It has been called "the single worst incident of racial violence in American history." The attack, carried out on the ground and from private aircraft, destroyed more than 35 square blocks of the district—at that time the wealthiest black community in the United States, known as "Black Wall Street."

"More than 800 people were admitted to hospitals, and as many as 6,000 black residents were interned in large facilities, many of them for several days. The Oklahoma Bureau of Vital Statistics officially recorded 36 dead. A 2001 state commission examination of events was able to confirm 39 dead, 26 black and 13 white, based on contemporary autopsy reports, death certificates and other records. The commission gave several estimates ranging from 75 to 300 dead."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre

The thing is neither the Rodney King Riots not this one attempted to overthrow the Federal government.

The commission gave several estimates ranging from 75 to 300 dead."
SteeleRedux,
How many black people have been killed by black people in Africa ?

"BYE BYE WORLD. I'LL WIN THIS WAY"

Loco Trump Can Launch Nuclear Missiles Unhindered

Paraphrasing http://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/01/08/military-cant-legally-curb-presidents-access-nuclear-codes-experts-say.html reports:

"The Military Can’t Legally Curb a President's Access to Nuclear Codes, Experts Say"

Trump does not need the concurrence of either his military advisors or the US Congress to order the launch of nuclear weapons.

WORLD's ONLY HOPE

Admiral Chuck "MEGADEATH" Richard, head of STRATCOM, [who would pass on any Trump orders to

launch nuclear missiles] told reporters that he would decline to follow ILLEGAL

orders to deploy a nuclear weapon.

TO HEAD OFF THE RISK OF LOCO TRUMP LAUNCHING NUCLEAR MISSILES BEFORE 20TH JAN

Pelosi and other lawmakers have said they will move ahead with impeachment proceedings if the vice president and Cabinet members do not invoke the 25th Amendment to remove the president from office.

Individual,

Interesting principle.

So, because, at some time in their history, Irish people have fought against and killed other Irish people, it's okay for anybody to kill Irish people.

Scots have killed Scots - at the battle of Culloden, most soldiers on both sides may well have been Scots. So it's okay for anybody to kill Scots.

Hmmmm, I wouldn't want to be German :)

Joe

Foul-Mouth,

You and individual have some strange conversations together.

Are you two related by any chance?

Well interesting,
I made a post about one sworn affidavit and none of the advocates
that there was no fraud bothered to comment.

Shows a definate lack of interest.
I am out of here. Bloody Hypocrits.

Hi Bazz,

Affidavit Schmaffidavit :)

Seriously, is that it ? An affidavit ? Something that anyone can swear to, more or less without consequences in the present atmosphere ?

I can knock up the title deeds to a Bridge that you might like to buy :)

Joe

TRUMP IS A ROBOT REPLIC-NT

Hi Mr Opinion

You asked awhile back whether, the now failed, Trump will escape to Brazil.

Fact is Trump is no humanoid. Trump is a failed female robot replic-nt

who, using Hitler's DNA, mixed with Ringling Bros. Barnum & Bailey Circus [1] manure,

was bolted together in the Brazilian jungle by kindly Dr Josef Mengele [2] in 1946 [3].

With Hitler's DNA Trump has perfected Cult of Personality, use of the BIG LIE to convert people into

MINDLESS NAZIs in only 4 years.

Where Terminator 2 [4] succeeded Trump is a failed experiment. And a bit of a repli c-nt.

Here's the PROOF.

How else can nature explain Trump's day-glo orange skin, autonomous headjob,

inability to discern truth from fiction, and

LACK OF HUMAN EMPATHY?!

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringling_Bros._and_Barnum_%26_Bailey_Circus

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele

[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_2:_Judgment_Day

I rest my case.

Dear Bazz,

Don't be a bloody sook mate.

I googled Michigan IT consultant and affidavit and got nothing. If you want to do the barest of homework and provide a link that would be outstanding.

You are aware that the recounts were done by hand and did not use the tallying machines at all.

"BELLAIRE, Mich. (AP) — A livestreamed recount of the presidential election in a small Michigan county turned up no sign of shenanigans Thursday, only a handful of additional votes for President Donald Trump.

Trump padded his Antrim County victory with 11 more votes, while Joe Biden lost one. The Republican county in the northern Lower Peninsula has been under intense scrutiny since the Nov. 3 election when initial results showed a local victory for Biden.

It was attributed to human error, not any problems with voting machines, and corrected. But a judge still took the extraordinary step of allowing a resident to take forensic images of election equipment.

The hand tally “confirmed the truth and affirmed the facts: Dominion’s voting machines accurately tabulated the votes cast for president in Antrim County,” said Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson.

“It is time for the disinformation campaigns to stop, and for elected and other leaders on both sides of the aisle to unequivocally affirm that the election was secure and accurate,” Benson said.

Biden lost Antrim County but won Michigan by 154,000 votes."

http://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-michigan-elections-07e52e643d682c8033a0f26b0d863387

Absolutely nothing to see here. Get over it.

Dear individual,

You wrote:

"There's no man on this Planet who could weather as much hounding by criminals & maggots as was dished out onto Trump !"

Oh give me a break. You seem to have conveniently forgotten how much Trump had a controlling hand in the whole birther movement. He hounded the absolute hell out of Obama now you are going to cry foul? But you are right, your president is a typical bully, happy to dish it out but has a cry when it comes back at him.

SR wrote: "Mate you don't have actual views. When you get pulled up on anything they change at the drop of a hat."

I'd ask for examples as evidence but apart from the fact that SR doesn't know the meaning of the word(evidence) , we both know that he wouldn't and couldn't find any examples.

Man of integrity? Nup.

SR wrote: "'But that's not what I really meant and you know it.'"

Well you know I didn't say that or anything like it. Which is why you dishonestly tried to suggest it was a quote.

Man of integrity? Nup.

SR wrote: "Get over it."

I am over it. I'm now just sitting on the sidelines watching the world unravel. If you look back at my posts over the past six or so months, you'll see that I was sceptical about a Trump win based on the growing list of global elitist groups going all-in on recovering power irrespective of the people.

So the outcome was no surprise. A massive disappointment but no surprise. The real surprise was how much cheating was needed and how easily the anxiously gullible accepted it.

As a student of Nazi Germany I was always surprised at how little pushback the NSDAP got as they yanked freedoms from the people. I now understand.

As a student of ancient Greece I was always fascinated at how many people were prepared to sell out their city as long as they were able to regain or achieve power. Its interesting to see a real life example of that.

My job is now to prepare my kids and grandkids for a new CCP controlled world. I'm already well on the way to getting my finances in place for the new reality.

So this is what the Republicans in just one State got up to in attempting to taint the election.

"In March 2020, it was reported that Texas leads the South in closing down voting places, making it more difficult for Democratic-leaning African-Americans and Latinos to vote. The 50 counties that have experienced the greatest increases in African-American and Latino populations had 542 polling sites closed between 2012 and 2018, while those with the lowest increases in minority populations had only 34 closures. Brazoria County, south of Houston, closed 60% of its polling places, below the statutory minimum; the county clerk promised this would not happen again. Texas law allows the centralization of vote centers, which sometimes make it easier for people to vote. However, the 334 poll closures outside of vote centers still put Texas ahead of Arizona, Georgia, Louisiana, and Mississippi.

"Texas limits who can request absentee postal ballots only to voters over 65, those sick or disabled, those who will be out of the county on election day and those who are in jail. Attempts in court to expand mail in voting before the 2020 elections because of health concerns during the COVID-19 pandemic have been unsuccessful.

...

...on October 1, Texas Governor Greg Abbott, a Republican, ordered a limit of one drop-off location per county. Harris County, for example, received national media attention because it is larger than the size of Rhode Island and has 2.4 million registered voters but is being served by only one voting drop-box location.
...

Some prominent Texas Republicans sued Governor Abbott in September 2020, seeking to limit the number of days early voting was allowed in the state.

...

A conservative activist and three Republican candidates sued in late October 2020 to have 127,000 drive-through ballots cast in predominantly Democratic Harris County, tossed.[153] A federal judge rejected the Republican lawsuit, as did the Texas Supreme Court."

Wikipedia

The reason so many Republicans are shocked at Trumps loss is they felt they had done enough voter suppression to get him over the line. Turns out they hadn't.

happy to dish it out but has a cry when it comes back at him.
SteeleRedux,
Isn't that exactly what you're doing ?

Dear individual,

You write; "Isn't that exactly what you're doing ?"

Hardly old chap. I thoroughly enjoy it when people have a crack. It's good fun and one of the reasons I enjoy this place is it isn't an echo chamber.

The more posters on here drank from Trump's Koolaid the easier it became to dismantle arguments since the disconnect from reality became absurd.

Look at what mhaze and shadowminister have been reduced to now, cockamamie conspiracies theories and fetishising teenagers.

Not that I don't miss the old OLO but tweaking the noses of hard right pundits has its moments.

China's influence on America's economy.

ttp://nypost.com/2020/12/03/john-ratcliffe-china-has-operation-to-influence-us-lawmakers/

http://visiontimes.com/2020/12/11/chinese-professor-at-the-top-of-americas-core-inner-circle-of-power-we-have-our-old-friends.htm

http://legalinsurrection.com/2020/12/chinese-professor-we-have-people-at-the-top-of-americas-core-inner-circle-of-power/

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=tucker+carlson+on+chinese+professor&docid=608017419381968707&mid=87E72E6AFCE8B97D336087E72E6AFCE8B97D3360&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

http://www.facebook.com/dan.bongino/videos/425697385230704

It was China's program to get rid of Trump because of his economic war on China. Biden and his son are the new hope for China.

Joe sings the praises of China.
http://www.facebook.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/videos/449286289570305

Those complicit in supporting Biden are really supporting China rise and in the Pacific.

mhaze was top of the class at NAZI school. I can believe that!

.

Dear ttbn,

.

You wrote :

« Twitter, Instagram and Facebook have now all silenced Trump. It's about time posters with nothing better to do shut up as well and got a life that doesn't involve the president of a foreign country, over whom you have no influence whatever. You don't even get to vote for Australia's leader, let alone a foreign one »
.

John Howard told us that our Australian Prime Minister is just the “Deputy Sheriff”, ttbn., and that the American President is our Sheriff !

Don’t you remember ?

Right now, it’s Captain Ahab (alias Donald the dictator). Soon it will be Sleepy old Joe !

We can’t just go it alone in this hard world without the Sheriff, ttbn. We’ve got our little cousin, New Zealand, to look after too.

We wouldn’t make it !

.

Banjo Paterson, It is becoming obvious that ant-Trump values here are ultimately pushing the values of "ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT" with CCP as the head. Joe Biden is in bed with the CCP to take America into Capitalistic Socialism led by elitist politicians and will remove the first and second Amendment from the American Constitution. Similarly with those here that want the control of speech in Australia that is not acceptable to the Communist Party line as promoted by the ABC and SBS and world Wide by big tech. Trump has been painted as a threat to World order and democracy by the Left as he opposed China, Nancy Pelosi saw to that throughout his Presidency. The Order is we are one World Village and China has it right, control the people and brain wash the dissidents.

The similarities between Trump and his Trumpism, and Hitler and his Nazism. The simple message "Make Germany great again", "Make America great again", our country, and our people have been wronged by outsiders. The enemy within Jews and communists for Hitler, Mexicans, blacks and Democrats for Trump. A group of hard core radical supporters brown shirts and Proud Boys, holding big boisterous rallies with much fanfare and outward signs of nationalism, flag waving, slogans, long drawn out speeches by the leader. An extremely loyal inner circle, the leader rewarding loyalty, but destroying the disloyal. Lies and outlandish claims and demands "The Czech must give us territory", "Mexico must pay for the wall". The huge political and military threat from outside, for Hitler it was the communists of the Soviet Union, for Trump its the communists of China. And not the least of all, the spectacular rise, and equally, the spectacular fall, the outer fringe of "loyal political" supporters slinking away as the writing is on the wall . With the turbulence of the times Hitler was able to circumvent democracy, fortunately Trump has been unable to do that. Hitler in his bunker at the end, not wanting to admit all is lost, Trump not conceding he has also lost.

Paul1405,

You forgot to mention that Trump like Hitler is a demented megalomaniac.

Paul,

"
The similarities between Trump and his Trumpism, and Hitler and his Nazism. The simple message..."

One of your comedic highs.

Is Mise,

Did you complete the BA when you were at Sydney?

Opinion,

No, completed it at UCG.

Is Mise,

United Church of God?

Opinion,

Thought that with your education you'd know of UCG, now known as OEG
http://www.oegaillimh.ie/

TIMELINE FOR NAILING TRUMP (adjusted to Australian dates)

House Democrats introduced one article of impeachment against President Donald Trump today

for "incitement of insurrection" for urging his supporters to march on the Capitol last Thursday 7 Jan.

The House will vote on the impeachment measure Thursday 14 Jan after considering legislation

on Wednesday 13 Jan calls on Vice President Mike Pence to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from office before 21 January.

The planned votes come after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., told Democrats that the chamber would proceed with Trump's impeachment if Pence doesn't agree to the 25th Amendment process.

Majority Whip Rep. Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., said the House could delay sending impeachment articles to the Senate until AFTER BIDEN'S FIRST 100 DAYS

in office to allow the president-elect to get his agenda off and running, including Covid-19 relief legislation and the confirmation of his Cabinet officials.

Updated 12 Jan at http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/live-updates-house-begins-effort-remove-trump-n1253700

Hi Pete,

After Thursday (our time) next week, trump won't be President, so what would be the point - or the possibility - of impeachment ? About the only value might be to deprive Trumpf of being able to still be called 'Mr President'.

After Jan 20, Trumpf is just a citizen, like other US humans, even if of a much lower grade. IF he has incited thugs to overthrow the US government or impede its operations, then the municipal and State legal authorities can put together legal cases to charge him with sedition and treason. If he is found guilty, then he pays the penalty and goes to jail - unless the penalty for treason is still execution, in which case he may not he in jail for long.

On the page of US history, Trumpf will go down as just a skid-mark.

Joe

Foul-Mouth,

It is obvious to me that the reason you are always bad mouthing Trump is that you are in the pro-China camp. In fact, I believe you are either an operative or a collaborator of the Chinese.

BTW Where has your Comrade Foxy aka the Beijing Butterfly gone? Not back to see Xi for another briefing I assume.

Hi Joe

The US House of Reps already believes it has the numbers to Impeach Trump before the 21 January (our time) Inauguration Day.

The actual instruments the House may base impeachment on might be:

- the 14th Amendment (Section 3) of the Consitution (ie. even past "insurrection") http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_efforts_to_remove_Donald_Trump_from_office#14th_Amendment

OR

I think, less usefully the 25th Amendment on Trump's alleged "disability" to remain President. The 25th would be "moot" after Biden's Inauguration because Trump would already no longer be President. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_efforts_to_remove_Donald_Trump_from_office#25th_Amendment

The Democrats realise the Senate would be highly unlikely to Impeach Trump before the Inauguration.

HOWEVER - after the first 100 days of Biden's Presidency (ie. after 21 April 2021) the Democrats aim to pass the Impeachment Bill from the House to the SENATE.

If 2/3rds of Senators vote to Impeach Trump then the DESIRED EFFECT is precluding Trump from ever becoming President again.

That means Trump could not run for President in 2024 or 2028 etc. Trump may hopefully SHUT UP then.

Much more detail here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_efforts_to_remove_Donald_Trump_from_office

Cheers

Pete

plantagenet,

You and Foul-Mouth seem to be a bit cosy, which makes me believe that you are also in the pro-China camp.

Do you have a code name? Let me guess . . . . . . . Wuhan Willy.

Hi again Joe

FURTHER

I think because Trump incited his 6 January insurrection in his stated of Immunity as President such actions would make him immune from subsequent municipal and State criminal charges.

Also note there seems no talk out of the US about any courts trying Trump for his 6 January actions.

HOWEVER if Trump commits FURTHER sedititious, treasonous, incitement actions AFTER 20 January

WHEN HE IS A NORMAL CITIZEN I think then many municipal/State/Federal charges could apply and America could then gaol Trump.

Hi Pete,

On a brighter note, Trumpf has powers over federal (national) matters while he's President, but not necessarily over State, municipal or county matters. So if he breches law in those jurisdictions, then he's as liable for prosecution as anybody else. That's probably why he went all mealy-mouthed after people started to die.

Live in hope :)

Joe

HOW FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY IS HELPING IDENTIFY CAPITOL ATTACKERS

Huge databases and powerful AI algorithms enable identifications and arrests.

The FBI is still trying to identify some of the hundreds of people who launched the deadly attack. America’s law enforcement agencies have access to technologies that are doing much.

A private company has over 3 BILLION PHOTOS indexed and available from the public internet, like Google for faces.

SOURCE paraphrasing http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/artificial-intelligence/machine-learning/facial-recognition-and-the-us-capitol-insurrection of 11/12 Jan 2021

Foul-Mouth,

Maybe Trump might decide to defect to China looking to spend the rest of his lis life in some little hotel for example The Forbidden City.

Any chance you, the Beijing Butterfly and Wuhan Willy could arrange a North Korean sub to pick him up from some inlet in the Chesapeake on a moonless night and take him to China?

You will be a hero in the PRC and Xi will probably decorate you with the Golden Dim Sum which he will personally pin on you.

Mr Opinion

Once court justice against Trump begins he is more likely to flee to RUSSIA.

Putin would sorely love the propaganda coup of having an ex US PRISIDENTIAL dissident harboured by RUSSIA. Also Trump would blab US secrets to the RUSSIANS.

Info on the RUSSIANS filming Trump being urinated on by RUSSIAN hookers exists.

And Trump's dependence on RUSSIAN money to bail him out of debt is well known: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization#Financing

Here's someone to watch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_McInerney

Armed and dangerous, the FBI is reporting violent Trump supporters are planning more attacks should Trump be arseholed from office. These far right maniacs are planning attacks on all 50 state capitals on 17th January, and a concerted attack on Washington on 20th January.

Meanwhile here in Australia several LNP politicians are backing Trump's lies and misinformation. The LNP politicians showing open support for Trump include acting PM Mad Mick McCormack, the member for South Manila Fat George Christensen, and the backbencher Crazy Craig Kelly. Kelly and Christensen have amassed more than 86,000 and 70,000 followers respectively on their Facebook pages. Who are these followers and how close are they to Trump's far right lunatics. Australians have the right to know how many other closet Trumpsters are members of the government, and to what lengths they will go to support Trump!

Paul,

Keep it up, you might make it to the Comedy Festival.
http://www.brisbanecomedyfestival.com/

Is Mise,
Paul is NEVER funny. His attempts at humour are at best tiresome.

So firstly, please don't encourage him to pursue comedy.
And secondly, when he's not attempting comedy, he deserves to be taken seriously. It is a very serious problem, and pretending it's a joke won't help.

It's appropriate to treat Trump himself as a laughingstock, but those crazed supporters are a real danger to democracy.

Hi Issy

Re your reference to:

"Here's someone to watch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_McInerney
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 7:04:25 PM"

Noting retired General McInerney is 83 years old and judging by

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_McInerney#Views

He's a right nutjob.

With those strange views, McInerney is just the kind of nutter

Trump would pleasure.

Is Mise,

Sorry, I thought you had completed an Arts degree.

So I take it that you must have dropped out of Arts at Sydney in the first year and never went back.

Nothing wrong with that. It's a lot harder than people think.

So what did you end up doing, one of those trade things like engineering, accountancy, etc?

Issy,

Are you upset that you got eliminated for the third year running by that bind nun with the 12 gauge shotgun at the 'Ivan Milat Memorial Shoot Out'? Or is it the poor sales of your unpopular cook book, 'Road Kill Recipes for the Unsuccessful Hunter' I do enjoy the 'Fricasseed Rabbit with a Galah Sauce', my favourite. Got a couple of dead crows I picked up on the track a couple of months back, any ideas?

Aiden,

I appreciate your words of encouragement. Some serious stuff for you. There could be more than a million Americans, young to middle aged white men and women from conservative small town America. People of lower economic standing and of basic educational levels, who seen Trump as a "savour" who would restore their position in society, a position they feel has been stolen from them. These people are prepared to fight to restore their stolen rights, and thus restore their economic wellbeing, making them part of the "Make America Great Again" movement. Many of these people now view Trump as a traitor who has capitulated to the forces he was supposedly going to save them from. This mob is armed and dangerous, feeling betrayed and given radical leadership who knows what a force like that is capable of.

Paul1405,

Putting the jokes to the side I think everyone would agree that the US is still the most fascinating place in history.

Anything can happen there and it never ceases to surprise.

Where Trump failed is that he thought America could be a product of Trump and failed to see Trump as a product of America.

So to all those avid America followers I say: "Are we surprised?"

It's a pity all you experts on Trump and America don't move there, get citizenship and solve their problems for them. It would give those of us who want to concentrate on our own country and its welfare a welcome break from your nonsense as well.

ttbn,

People like me only look like an expert because people like you exist.

Hi Mr Opinion

So what Uni degree did you do? PROCTOGOLY for enthusiasts? And did you pass it?

Here is butt a sample of your doings:

What do you call a Jamaican proctologist?

A Pokemon.
_______________

A proctologist pulls a thermometer out from his coat pocket...
Great, now some Asshole has my pen!
________

What do you call it when a proctologist has to give his sister an exam?

Analysis.

plantagenet,

"Trump would pleasure."

Are you saying that Trump and McInnery are homosexual?
Or do you, like Paul, need a spell checker?

Paul,

"... by that bind nun..."
What's a bind run?

plantagenet,

My engineering degree is the closest thing I can think of that talking about would give someone a pain in the arse.

You seem to know a lot about proctology so I reckon you should hook up with Foul-Mouth and pay him a visit in Adelaide. He happens to be something of a proctology enthusiast himself so I'm sure the two of you will get on like a house on fire.

Hi Issy

Intentional. Trump giving General McInnery pleasure is our little secret, Muchacho.

Haven't you heard of Trump's Transexual Trogs?

The way Trump puckers his___________________________________lips?

Trum speaks on http://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=2801288493453348&ref=notif&notif_id=1610496775727022&notif_t=live_video

Dear Josephus,

So he has a half completed wall and Mexico didn't spend a single cent on it.

What of it?

SteeleRedux,

When Trump told everybody "And I'm going to make them pay for the wall." he was talking about the Democrats.