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Banjo Paterson,

This is an excellent comment by the article's author.

Although I would have used 'matrilineal lineage' instead of the author's use of 'matriarchal lineage'.

But otherwise spot on.

I think Soot Morrison is really only concerned about on thing: his career after politics. I think he has his eyes on a multimillion dollar position with a large corporation when he leaves office.

In the interim he has to mend his image that suffered so badly during the 2019 bushfire catastrophe.

And I think the anthem bit is part of his attempt to create a better image of himself.

Even at the further expense of the Australian Aboriginal peoples.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 3 January 2021 10:58:06 AM
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Maybe we should make this Australia's national anthem... to appeal to Foxy's sensibilities... and to principles of diversity.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Lithuanian_national_anthem_sheet_music.jpg/220px-Lithuanian_national_anthem_sheet_music.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tauti%C5%A1ka_giesm%C4%97

Lithuania, our dear homeland,
Land of worthy heroes!
May your sons draw strength
From your past experiences.

May your children always
Choose the paths of virtue,
May they work towards your good,
And that of all people.

May the sun in Lithuania
Disperse darkness,
And light, and truth,
May guide our steps.

May love of Lithuania
Burn in our hearts,
In the name of Lithuania,
Unity may blossom!

Lietuva, Tevyne musu,
Tu didvyriu zeme,
Is praeities Tavo sunus
Te stiprybe semia.

Tegul Tavo vaikai eina
Vien takais dorybes,
Tegul dirba Tavo naudai
Ir zmoniu gerybei.

Tegul saule Lietuvoj
Tamsumas prasalina,
Ir sviesa, ir tiesa
Mus zingsnius telydi.

Tegul meile Lietuvos
Dega musu sirdyse,
Vardan tos, Lietuvos
Vienybe tezydi!

Seriously I would like to see Lithuania returned to it's descendants.

If the population of the world was reduced it wouldn't be a problem for people who wanted to.. to live with their own kind in their own land.

I can empathize with the Lithuanian people that had their land taken from them. But that is a greater risk historically in a nation with land borders.
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 3 January 2021 11:04:40 AM
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Hi SteeleRedux

A. 12 Senators per State made Federation acceptable for the less populated States (eg. SA, Tas, WA and Qld). They would not/did not accept a one house population-proportional Parliament which would have meant domination by the most populated States (NSW and Vic).

B. Placing a number on "indigenous Australians" is yet another Can Of Worms.

The "acceptance by a tribe (usually based on unrecorded word of mouth)" test is too easily gamed by people who are 7/8s or 15/16s White and even No Indigenous Blood at All.

C. Would "indigenous Australians" prefer a more legally acceptable/checkable DNA Baseline Test which would probably legally/demographically de-indigenise more than half of them?

D. Like BREXIT, the UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES of "Statement of the Heart/Voice" Constitutional changes would pit:

- Australian against Australian

- White Australians against "indigenous Australians"

- State against State

- Politicians/Parties against Politicians/Parties within all 3 levels (Local, State and Federal) of Government

- States against the centre-left ACT

AND

- 2 or 3 States against the Federal Government.
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 3 January 2021 11:22:20 AM
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CM,

You really are skirting close to fascism:

" If the population of the world was reduced it wouldn't be a problem for people who wanted to.. to live with their own kind in their own land."

There are many thousands of 'own kind', if you mean languages, 'cultures', ethnicities around the world. Here in Australia (I don't know where you might be), there is the current absurdity of designating Indigenous clan-groups as 'nations', around three hundred of them, each of a couple of thousand maximum - probably far, far fewer members', if we count only those people who give a toss, i.e. who seek to make careers out of it.

Many of them are beavering away trying to design their own Flags, in passionate opposition to the national Aboriginal Flag, or any implied association with any other group. Many Aboriginal groups have a deep desire not to be like any other Aboriginal group in any way, (even though, of course, they may be inter-married) so I suspect that your aspiration of extreme social fragmentation might work with some of them, to destroy any potential unity or cooperation between groups.

But once you have achieved your goal of 'reducing population', what then ? Designate areas in each country which henceforth 'belong' to this group or that ? A bit like partitioning India and Pakistan ? So how many people died in that idiotic venture ? One, two million ? And you would be quite at ease with the idea that every country broke up like that ? That really is so off the planet.

Currently, for example in the Central African Republic, there are nine or ten separate (probaby ethnically- or linguistically-based) rebel groups marching on the capitol, opposed by probably as many other ethnic/language/'cultural' groups who are currently in power. Sixty years of independent has changed little, so perhaps what we will see shortly in the CAR is a taste of your separatist Utopia.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Sunday, 3 January 2021 11:28:39 AM
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Plantagenet said- "D. Like BREXIT, the UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES of "Statement of the Heart/Voice" Constitutional changes would pit:

- Australian against Australian

- White Australians against "indigenous Australians"
"

Answer-

Ending the so called White Australia policy already pits "Australian against Australian" but that was the aim of certain special interests of the time- this is standard Machiavellianism- "The Prince"- divide and conquer tactics- designed to reverse the Eureka Chartist Labour gains and followed by Howard union bashing tactics- (sometimes they deserved a bit of bashing)- but it's coming back to bite their descendants- potentially wiping their line from the face of the earth.

It's a healthy reminder that- there are some things you can do- but shouldn't.

Those that seem to be most loudly proclaiming cohesion are the ones that caused the division in the first place by using the divisive tactics against the labour force by sponsoring immigration.

"I'm a business person- I just want Australia to work together"

When will Australian's wake up and look after their own enlightened self interest- and more importantly to think for themselves.
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 3 January 2021 11:42:34 AM
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Thanks Joe

Your Sunday, 3 January 2021 11:28:39 AM comment usefully introduces 3 additional destructive Cans of Worms

That is, in developing an Indigenous RACIALLY MOTIVATED Constitutional "VOICE", this would also pit:

1. Aboriginal group/"Nation" against Aboriginal group/"Nation"

2. Aboriginal versus Torres Strait Islander "Nations"

and in so doing lead to

3. An inter-INDIGENOUS struggle for the largest tribal representation in what would effectively be an INDIGENOUS House of Parliament.
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 3 January 2021 12:38:52 PM
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