A pattern is emerging: the people who spread the virus tend to be the cleaners, the care workers in aged care facilities. The reason they tend to spread the virus is that in order to make ends meet they work in multiple jobs. They are paid very little because as a society we think a bank manager is worth a lot more than a humble cleaner or the person who wipes the bums of dementia patients. I suspect that the problem is that we have our priorities wrong - we would be a lot safer if it was the bank manager who had to work multiple jobs.

The original infections come from overseas, thanks to our gormless politicians who are more concerned about bringing 'poor bubba' Australians home instead of protecting the majority of Australians content to live and work in their own country. These disease carriers should be told to stay where they are until it's completely safe for them to return. Quarantining in hotels (or anywhere else) is not working.

The socialist rant about how little some workers are paid is the real reason for the misinformation on the China virus, which has been given the weasel word of 'corona' as a suck up to the original culprits, the Chinese Communist Party.

Careful there BAYGON, your ideology is leading you astray. To be a bank manager requires more than a little learning & training & intelligence to absorb both. The bank manager then has the ability to both save & make their employer a reasonable amount of money.

Although there is no reason that a smart person could not be a cleaner or bum wiper, they mostly choose professions requiring higher intelligence & education, if only because they are mostly a more pleasant way to spend your days, & offer higher return.

Obviously a job requiring little training or intelligence to perform is going to attract lower wages than jobs requiring both.

Obviously ttbn is right. We owe nothing to those who have chosen to live in other countries. It is ridiculous to keep bringing infection into the country with those who only want to return to take advantage of our low infection rates.

When I was cruising the Pacific islands I carried a radio with a range of only about 50 miles, & never reported my departure or intended destination to any one. I believe that those who choose to go gallivanting off around the ocean have no right to expect someone else to come & fetch them if they get into trouble.

In the same way, those who choose to move to another country have no claim on Oz when their dream goes belly up. As you make your bed, so shall you lie is a good axiom.

Perhaps the lesson staring us in the face is that jobs like cleaning, aged care and quarantine security DO need education and training?

At minimum: the basics of infectious disease causation and transmission, methods of control, disinfection and sanitation, food health security, side-effects of control measures especially chemicals, and perhaps a bit of history, cautionary tales, of past pandemics (and food poisoning outbreaks), why they happened, how they were controlled, and what we learnt (or not) from them.

Yes, Cossomby,

Better training, more responsibility and recognition, and therefore higher wages and greater job security - and so less need for multiple 'casual' jobs, and a much-needed end to musical-chair staffing in aged care and so many other settings.

Win,win.

Just to add salt to the wound:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8993667/Now-Chinese-scientists-claim-coronavirus-originated-INDIA-summer-2019.html?ito=push-notification&ci=55171&si=21568413

The Chinese Communist government is "very interesting".

Something about the Chinese CCP that you could also find "interesting" is that they are a also Technocracy, thanks to help from Yanks and the Trilateralists (who are part of Schwarb reset outfit) who actually got China into world trade.

One theory now is that it is not so much Communism or Fascism (much the same really) but Technocracy that we have to worry about.

Canem Malum & ttbn,

You two make a common mistake of equating China with the CCP.

You seem to think that a relative handful of old codgers in the CCP are making all of the WRONG decisions for the entire nation-state comprising 1.4 billion people.

There are millions are grassroots political supporters who represent the 100s of millions of Chinese who are loyal and patriotic members of the nation-state in which being Chinese is seen as an ideal.

Stop seeing the Chinese from your own perspective and put yourself in the position of the Chinese if you really want to understand what things are really like in China.

Posted by Mr Opinion, Saturday, 28 November 2020 11:50:41 AM-

Canem Malum & ttbn, You two make a common mistake of equating China with the CCP. You seem to think that a relative handful of old codgers in the CCP are making all of the WRONG decisions for the entire nation-state comprising 1.4 billion people. There are millions are grassroots political supporters who represent the 100s of millions of Chinese who are loyal and patriotic members of the nation-state in which being Chinese is seen as an ideal. Stop seeing the Chinese from your own perspective and put yourself in the position of the Chinese if you really want to understand what things are really like in China.

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I think the issue perhaps comes down to some semantics- Is China Communist, are the Chinese people Communist, is the Chinese Communist government supported by the Chinese people, is Chinese Communism Nationalist, etc, etc.
I can't answer for ttbn but I do empathise with most of what he (and you) say. I take your point Mr Opinion. With respect I was answering to the article on "Now-Chinese-scientists-claim-coronavirus-originated-INDIA-summer-2019" that you posted. In this case it does seem to be mainly the government that is pushing this "Indian Corona Origin" idea.

But yes the Chinese people do support much of what the Communist government does. Possibly because they see it in their short term interest- they have had it so hard for so long they want something better- ignoring that it was the Communist government that made it hard in the first place- at this stage they are willing to go along with evil because the torture is unbearable.

Many "Upper Class" Chinese (interesting to talk of class warfare in a Communist society) are happy to have their people working 20 hour days for a dollar an hour because they get rich and the alternative is to become one of the ones working the 20 hour days.

Classic Communist military tactics- soldiers stand on the battle lines as "meat for the metal" the officers shoot anyone who dares to turn their heads- with this method four lines of officers can control a million men (1 Officer controls 100 Officers or soldiers) 100 x 100 x 100= 1,000,000- if you fear your own officers more than the enemy what can't the military achieve... At least the soldiers get better pay and food than the average person- and console themselves with the fact that their families may survive.

The terrible mathematics of warfare is fascinating.

ttbn- Yes the Unabomber Ted Kazinsky talked about the dangers of Technology. Technocracy seems to be similar to James Burnham's Managerialism. I've heard it said that internal Chinese politics is due to the Philosophy/ Engineer divide- in reality they are different forms of Communism perhaps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy

http://off-guardian.org/2020/10/12/klaus-schwab-his-great-fascist-reset/

http://off-guardian.org/

Off Guardian sounds like an interesting organisation.

On the off chance that some of you are interested in being informed you could do worse than reading this short article: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v42/n20/wang-xiuying/china-after-covid

This is interesting...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy#Technocracy_movement

"The American economist and sociologist Thorstein Veblen was an early advocate of technocracy, and was involved in the Technical Alliance as was Howard Scott and M. King Hubbert (who later developed the theory of peak oil). Veblen believed that technological developments would eventually lead toward a socialistic organization of economic affairs. Veblen saw socialism as one intermediate phase in an ongoing evolutionary process in society that would be brought about by the natural decay of the business enterprise system and by the inventiveness of engineers.[36] Daniel Bell sees an affinity between Veblen and the Technocracy movement.[37]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberocracy

The Stasi of East Germany could be considered a prototype cybercratic organization. The Stasi collected files on six million people, or a little over a third of East Germany's total population, but their lack of computers to sort through the files was causing them to choke on their own file system, thus reducing their effective use of information. A cybercratic government would need to quickly and effectively manage the file of the entirety of the nation's people, as well as any relevant foreigners.

The no fly list is an example of a prototype cybercratic element. Its substantial false positive ratio is its primary failure of effectiveness. The Internet Relay Chat (IRC) and Internet forums are also examples of cybercratic society

Baygon- Yes Confucianism is interesting too. Probably better than Communism. Thanks for the article. Mencius and Xunzi had somewhat different views though. Confucianism is apparently Chinese parochial knowledge that has been passed down from the dawn of time- Confucius just codified it and wrote it down- still a great act in it's own right.