Mr Opinion has consistently raised this issue on
the forum - I
thought it might be worth having a discussion on
the topic and hopefully get a diversity of views
on the subject.

The Australian Human Rights Commission has stated the
following:

" How we handle the task of multiculturalism within our
borders, how we manage the various contents around
race and national identity will go a long way to
determining whether we will be a success as a nation in
a century that will see the ascend of Asia".

At the same time on another website - the emphasis was:

"It is important to maintain a continuity of established
Australian values and institutions and a clear-eyed
commitment to individual liberty as distinct from
the rights of ethnic blocs".

Your thoughts please.

I agree with the latter view; I am much less concerned with multi-ethnic dimension.

Thank You Chris.
Your comments are appreciated.

Race - no problem.
Culture - no problem.
Values - no problem so long as they respect everyone else's way of life.
National identity - a big problem, whatever "nation" one identifies with.

«determining whether we will be a success as a nation in
a century that will see the ascend of Asia»

This is not the kind of success I wish for.
We, the people who live in this continent, need to survive - especially against the onslaughts of fires, COVID and China,
I sincerely hope that we be successful in warding off these dangers,
but while united in this effort to survive we should not be infected by the very ugly disease that brings the enemy to attack us - nationalism.

Simply- I believe that Australia has and is becoming Asianized and Australia should be for British Australian's. The Aboriginal's need to be treated fairly- the Aboriginals are being treated too fairly at the moment. Australia has generously accepted foreigners especially ones that are similar to Australians into Australia in the past and Australian's are generally happy to accept them as long as they don't impact on or threaten the British Australian diaspora or for a temporary period to assist with a crisis such as the impact of WWII.

There are other interests that can affect immigration policy that don't necessarily have the interests of Australia at heart.

Foxy,

What do you think of my use of The Great Asianization Period (1980-2020) in Australian history?

CM,

There's a bit of a problem as roughly one in every hundred people on the First Fleet were black.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Fleet#People

Is Mise,

Why is this all of a sudden a problem?

The fleet picked up a handful of African workers at Cape Town.

Apparently a lot of their descendents live in Queensland.

Misopinionated,

Black people - Africans, Americans, West Indians, Mauritians, have been coming to Australia since the beginning of 'settlement'. Here in SA, in 1860, there would have been at least one South African bloke living down the Coorong; an American Black fishing on Lake Alexandrina; a couple of West Indians married to Aboriginal people living up the River; a Mauritian bloke living with an Aboriginal woman on Pt Pearce and claiming rations. The last Kaurna (Adelaide) woman, Evaritji, was married to a Black American 'born in Adelaide' in the 1850s.

The late 'Aboriginal' academic, Colin Johnston, had a Black American father. Bobbi Sykes had a Black American father.

To get back to topic: I don't have the slightest worries - in contrast to racists like CM - about anybody coming to Australia and making their contributions. I'm perfectly happy with the positive impacts that people have made, and will continue to make, into the unlimited future, no matter where they have come from. I don't have the slightest interest in keeping Australia white, as CM does, and I suspect you do too. That notion disgusts me.

Foreign governments are a very different kettle of fish, especially that of China.

Joe

I guess Loudmouth thinks Jewish Israeli's are racist too. Perhaps they are based on Loudmouth's literal meaning of the word racist. I don't have a problem with so called racist policies- I do have a problem with killing innocent people.

I think Loudmouth is a Global Universalist Dictator and perhaps an anti-white racist- based on the literal meaning of his comments.

I don't have a problem with Loudmouth being an Anti-White British Racist- this is common in the Aboriginal community it seems. He should look after his own cultural interest. But I don't think many other cultures will treat Aboriginal's better than British Australian's. Queen Victoria had a fairly enlightened view of so called native aboriginals for her time as I understand.

Good Morning Folks,

There's an article by Tim Soutphommasane, part 1
of 3, in The Jakarta Post Aug. 21st 2014.

It's a few years ago, I feel that it is still relevant
today. I'd like to share some of his thoughts with you.

He makes it quite clear that the reality of multicultural
Australia is that it does contain Asian cultures and
identities. He points out the fact that our economic
activity is now centered towards Asia. He also tells us
that:

"Debates about Asian immigration reflect a contest over
Australian national identity. For some, immigration has
meant a repudiation of Australia's British cultural
heritage - a reflection of all that was, in their eyes,
traditionally Australian. For such people, Asia, to be more
precise, immigration from Asia in significant numbers was/is
a source of cultural corruption or degradation".

Yet as Tim Soutphommasane points out - "for all its pungency
the rhetoric about multiculturalism's imminent failure
- it has not been proven correct. "

Not only has it endured. It has succeeded.
A Scanlon Foundation survey on social cohesion
found that 84% of respondents agreed
that multiculturalism is a good thing and benefited Australia.

Australians of Asian
backgrounds have proved in every way that they are capable of
participating in the life of the nation. We're told that
"they've excelled when it comes to educational attainment or
economic participation."

"To be sure success has a lot to do with the character of
our immigration program." Pointing out that governments
since the 1970s and our political leaders have played an
important role in equipping immigrants to participate in
our society. That Australia has had a multicultural program
that's been different from elsewhere.

We've had nation-building multiculturalism, a liberal
multiculturalism. Multiculturalism in our country has always
been something that was meant to strengthen Australian
national identity NOT supersede it. And that makes sense.
When people feel that they belong to a society and feel
comfortable for who they are they will have a better chance to
participate in a society as full and equal members.

There's more at the following link:

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/08/21/the-asianization-australia-part-1-3.html

CM,

I'm an internationalist, but most certainly not a globalist. I suspect that any dopey idea about one-world government - and I've known of these crackpot ideas for fifty years now - can just as easily tip into fascism. So I'll leave the potentially-fascist notion of a single world government to the megalomaniacs. In fact, I would have thought that you would love the idea.

I believe in the equal rights of all human beings on the planet, and the (necessarily long-term) struggle to bring about equality for all people, all men and all women, equal opportunities, equal chances at long lives, the sorts of privileges that we take for granted, and wherever they may be, here in Australia, in their home countries or elsewhere.

Globalism and sovereignty: Putting aside the ridiculous notion that, say, Armenia and Azerbaijan, India and Pakistan, Iran and Israel, Vietnam and China, would ever come together with each pair under a single government - there are more than two hundred separate, sovereign nations across the world and as far as I am concerned, and as long as they don't go to war with their neighbours, that's how it's going to be, and ought to be, into the future: more than two hundred separate, co-existing nations. No worries.

Joe

Dear Joe,

No nation will give up its sovereignty to any
international body. It is interesting to note as
Tim Soutphommasane, former Race Dsicrimination
Commissioner, pointed out, "Of the top 10 overseas
birthplaces of Australians five are countries in
Asia: China, India, Vietnam, the Philippines, and
Malaysia. China and India now represent the two
largest source countries for immigrants for Australia".

Times have certainly changed over the years.

Hi Foxy,

Australia is always going to be where it is, near Asian countries, and always with its own government, as they will have theirs. People have been coming to Australia for 50,000 years now, and more recently, from a couple of hundred countries.

Of course, some groups - especially refugees - have difficulties integrating themselves into Australian life (refugees, after all, would on the whole rather be living in peace back in their home countries, so they have to make the best of a second-chance job).

But on the whole, every group is making its distinctive contribution. I look forward to far more Sudanese women in our basketball and netball teams, Sudanese rucks in the AFL and Indian-Australians in our cricket trasms. I was in hospital last week with gout (yes, it's the red wine) and fell in love with countless Chinese, Thai, Filipino and Indian health staff. Where would we be without such wonderful people ?

So I'm totally confident that our successful migration policy will continue to enrich our political and cultural life. Long may it continue.

So, Misop, if you're ever in Adelaide, let me know and you can come around and kiss my arse.

Foulmouth

Dear Joe,

You've put it so beautifully.

Thank You.

I trust that you're feeling much better now?

Australia is now an Asian nation-state as a consequence of the Asianization process (aka Australian Multiculturalism) during the Great Asianization Period (1980-2020) in Australian history.

The aim of Asianization was to create a national landscape that mirrors the ethnic and cultural structures that mark the Asian mainland.

This has been achieved. We now have disparate communities in our cities, which account for 85% of the national population, that are spatially separated mainly along lines of race, ethnicity, language and religion. But they come together for economic exchange under a rubric of Australianness.

This is what I mean when I say they mirror Greater Asia.

If Australia is to function successfully as an Asian nation-state then its peoples need to accept an Asian identity that is inclusive of ongoing cultural disparities.

It seems a contradiction but then isn't being Asian a contradiction if we say all Asians are Asian when in fact they are separated by many characteristics.

Mr O,

Australia is not an Asian-state. And never will be.

The western influences in Australia are so deeply
ingrained. Australia will never be a truly Asian
country.

And those of Asian ancestry, just like those of
Lebanese, Greek, or any other ethnic group -( certainly
their children) - will (and have) become "Australianized".
It's always been so and always will be.

What our governments have always done has been to
maintain strong ties with other western nations while
continuing to maintain better relations with Asian
countries. However Australia has and will continue
to maintain its sovereignty.

Misopinionated,

Sorry to piss on your parade, but Asians, by any definition, make up a small minority of the Australian population, and come from much more than fifty different backgrounds. They may often all look the same to you and your pig-ignorant bar-fly mates, but even amongst what you might call 'Chinese', there would be Hakka, Hokkien, Siewchow, Cantonese, Shanghainese, Szechuanese, Uighur, Taiwanese, Mongol, etc. Not to mention Filipino-Chinese, Vietnamese-Chinese, Cambodian-Chinese, etc., etc.

Some have ancestors who moved here two hundred years ago, certainly 170 years ago for the mining, and some have been here since 1989 and Tiananmen. You really do need to get out more and listen.

In Australia's future, I don't think any particular ethnic group is ever going to be the most populous again, like English-Australians may like to think. They were probably always outnumbered by Irish, Scots and Welsh anyway. No, our future will be made up of our two hundred-plus nationalities and ethnic groups, not to mention, hundreds of different Indigenous groups, all inter-marrying, producing the most beautiful children in the world.

So ethnic dominance is gone forever; ethnic diversity is our destiny now. Wish I was fifty years younger :)

Joe

Foxy,

You just shot Australian Multiculturalism in the foot.

You just don't want to accept that you are now Asian.

You better get used to it because Australia is only going to get more Asian.

Especially when Morrison forces the international border open and starts swamping us with more millions of cashed up Chinese.

So smile and give us one of your big Aussie 'Ni hao mates".

Dear Joe,

Beautifully said.

Much better than I could have done.

Mr O,

Australia is described as a successful multicultural
country. And it is. But there is a predominant culture
just as there is a predominant language. And the
political and cultural institutions that govern
Australia are absolutely critical for people to live
in tolerance and harmony.

Within an institutional framework that preserves tolerance
and protects order we can all celebrate and enjoy diversity
in food, music, religion, language and culture. But we could
not do that without the framework which guarantees the freedom
to enjoy diversity.

And lets not forget also that to be an Australian citizen
one pledges loyalty first to Australia. One pledges to share
certain beliefs - democratic beliefs - to respect the rights
and liberty of others, and to respect the rule of law.

pseudo-mouth,

You have just said above exactly what I am pointing out.

Unbeknownst to you of course.

There's hope for you yet.

Foxy,

You are missing the point and obviously fail to see what has been taking shape over the 40 years of the Great Asianization Period as well as be able to comprehend the aim of the Asianization process (aka Australian Multiculturalism) to create an Asian nation-state that mirrors Greater Asia.

Embrace the 'Asianess You' Foxy. It is the New World.

Mr O,

Lets play a game of F - off.
You go first!

First lets lay some groundlines;
Australia is not in or near Asia.
All you geographically challenged should forget the maps on your school wall.
They are Mercator's Projection, an attempt at the impossible.
Asia is on the other side of the world.
The Southern Hemisphere scale is different, ie smaller.
The Chinese everywhere have a reputation of being racist, and that is
probably generated by their ancient civilisation and that they look different.
Before you scream at me, have you noticed how many Chinese are
employed in Chinese businesses ? 100% is very common.
Last night I was in a Chinese owned, non Chinese Restaurant and out of
seven waiters one was Australian. One at the bar was Indian.

There is a problem that may dissipate in the future but China has a
hold on any overseas Chinese in that the Chinese government has no
compunction in leaning on them in a threatening way.

Foxy,

That's a very childish comment.

Don't blame me. You're the one who wanted to embrace the Asianization process.

You can't turn back the clock now.

Foxy ........ embrace the 'Asian You'.

Bazz,

Why are you criticising your fellow Asians?

Foxy,

"However Australia has and will continue
to maintain its sovereignty"

How?

Australia is a pitifully weak nation and China has 2,035,000 soldiers whereas Australia has only 29,511 Regulars and 18,738 on the Active Reserve.

Opinion,

"The fleet picked up a handful of African workers at Cape Town."

Suggest that you inform yourself about the First Fleet.

Mr O,

Your comments are childish and you don't let up.
You are obsessed with Asianization. Despite the
fact that Asians have been coming to this
country for decades and out of a population of
over 25 million they only make up approximately
12%.

I started this discussion in good faith to give
people an opportunity to discuss the issues.
If you can't do that then kindly start your own
discussion and don't try to derail mine.

Is Mise,

I do value your opinion and wish to pick up this
conversation at a later date. For now perhaps
the following link may be of some use in answer to your
question:

http://www.quadrant.org.au/magazine/2019/09/how-not-to-defend-australia-against-china/

Dear Foxy,

I am in a sort of agreement with Is Mise, that China is probably much more powerful than Japan ever was in relation to Australia. Yes, it would have to work its way through Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, and other small nations before it got its troops etc. anywhere near Australia. Distance is one of our (perhaps illusory) protections.

Of course, like the Japanese, Chinese military forces wouldn't bother trying to seize Darwin and then trekking across 2,000-3,000 miles of desert, to get to Sydney, or to the much greater prize: Adelaide. Of course, like the Japanese, they would attempt a naval assault on the north-east coast, then the entire east coast.

During WW II, the Battle of the Coral Sea saved us from that invasion. But if China could set up naval bases in PNG or Fiji, we would be in trouble. And I don't think the Yanks would be much help.

But as long as there were Quislings like Misopinionated to talk down any rationale for resistance, the Chinese would be welcomed by some people here.

Joe

Posted by Is Mise- "Foxy, "However Australia has and will continue
to maintain its sovereignty"

How? Australia is a pitifully weak nation and China has 2,035,000 soldiers whereas Australia has only 29,511 Regulars and 18,738 on the Active Reserve."

Answer- Nuclear Missiles

Hi Foxy,

Thanks for a very interesting thread.

Multiculturalism has been a rip-roaring success in Australia, post WWII seen millions of European refugee come to Australia. From my observations and experience, the first generation of new arrivals had difficulties, many not knowing the language found it hard to assimilate. The second generation with the advantage of schooling and more social interaction, were much more assimilated than their parents. By the time of the third generation came complete assimilation with the added bonus of multiculturalism.

There were tensions, particularly from some uneducated native born Australians with terms like, wog, dago, spick etc even the slang pommy bastards was often thrown about. The slogan "The wogs got all the houses" was given a airing often. Some Aussies believed the refo's were being given an undeserved advantage over them, it wasn't true. These people were not Asians but Europeans. I see a lot of parallels with immigration today, as it was back in the 50's and 60ls.

The comment about nuclear missiles, obviously coming from an old time wog basher!

Foxy,

If you think that only 12% of the country's population is Asian then I suggest you take a good walk around Sydney and Melbourne.

With your eyes open of course.

Actually I think that you and your boyfriend pseudo-mouth have developed some sort of psychological barrier to recognising the consequences of the Asianization process (aka Australian Multiculturalism) during the Great Asianizationperiod (1980-2020) in Australian history.

I would like to hear from others - who don't suffer the psychological 'blindness' of Foxy and pseudo-mouth - about their estimates of the numbers of Asian people in Sydney and Melbourne.

For example, from my observations, Asians account for at least 65% of the city's population.

Anyone like to tell me their estimates for Sydney or Melbourne?

I'm a migrant & I'm perplexed why people who claim to "escape" from one country then impose the way of the country they fled on people here !
I migrated for a different reason, I came to see the GBR. I didn't run away from a troubled country although it is now because of "refugees" with iphones to there !
Here, it's Australians who sell the soil from under their own feet to anyone who flashes a Banknote, no matter if it's Asian or other !
The one thing with many non-caucasian migrants is that they multiply very quickly & are now gradually turning this country into the same as the ones they 'fled" from.
I can see why they do that but that doesn't make it less insidious & stupid !

Like in the general community, its only a very small percentage of the immigrant population that are trouble, that's to be expected. Those convicted of serious crime, then after doing jail, we have the option of deporting non citizens back to where they came from.

Australia's economic success, post WWII, is very much down to immigration.

Indy, on another tread you put yourself forward as an AMERICAN! What's the go with that?

If Foxy and boyfriend pseudo-mouth have their way notorious aliens like Sam Imbrahim would now be at home planning his next crime spree instead of sitting in a holding pen on Christmas Island waiting for the Deportation Express Flight to Lebanon.

I can just see Foxy now: "Oh poor Sam! Just because he's Asian. It's so un-Australian!"

Paul1405 says that I am racist because I say that we should get nuclear weapons to defend our nation. According to Paul1405's logic the Chinese are racist. The Chinese have nuclear weapons.

But Paul1405 supports the Chinese because he's a communist.

CM,

Nuclear Missiles?

You've got to be joking.

In a nuclear exchange, we'd need to have more missiles than China.

In a conventional war, a good hit on the Strathfield (NSW) rail junction would cut all rail traffic North of Sydney.

'Asianization' or 'Americanization' Foxy?

I know were all tempted to use US language packs
But theres a right way of spelling things in Australia.

'Asianisation'

Is Mise- With respect- In a conventional war with Communist China we're all dead or enslaved anyway. At least having the capability to reciprocate would be something. It would be better the Earth was destroyed than to have the embodiment of the eternal suffering and ideological mysticism of the world of Orwell's 1984.

Sadly even the sane must use the tools of insanity for defense against the aggressive. The communists won't be as restrained.

It would be nice not to have to use weapons- nice is a luxury- there are many philosophies of war- those of Sun Tzu, Tolstoy, John Nash (Game Theory), others.

http://militaryhistorypodcast.blogspot.com/2008/03/philosophy-of-war-1.html

http://militaryhistorypodcast.blogspot.com/2008/04/philosophy-of-war-2.html

Machiavelli's view is "we go to war so we can have peace" it's better to win by diplomatic means if possible.

If people stayed on their side of the fence there wouldn't be the need of weapons.

The problem is too many people in the world.

Everyone needs their own space.

.

Armchair Critic,

Good on you. Anyone calling himself/herself Australian looks suspect if they use American spelling. Australian English is British English, NOT American English.

This subject is stupid, and I am not going to comment on it. Despite what Mr. Opinion is always claiming, a mere 650,700 Chinese were living here at the end of 2018. We should be concentrating on the real problem of the CCP and its threat to the entire world and to the billion or so non-Communist and ordinary Chinese living in China.

This thread is mischievous, designed to cause pointless arguments for the amusement of a perpetrator with nothing better to do. Several of you have risen to the bait, but only the following have made sensible, mature comments:

Armchair Critic - timely English lesson
Canem Melum
Bazz
Individual
Chris Lewis

Australia's economic success, post WWII, is very much down to immigration.
Paul1405,
Yes, because these were migrants looking for a new life, not a hand-out existense !

...you put yourself forward as an AMERICAN! What's the go with that?
I did ??

Good Morning Is Mise,

Now to get back in answer to your question of "How
should Australia defend itself against China?".

I'm no expert but it appears that our government is
taking certain precautions that many of us may not be
aware of. Paul Dibb, Professor of Strategic Studies at
the ANU tells us in an article he wrote in March of this
year that -

"Two important military developments recently should
give China pause for thought. The first is the
announcement by Prime Minister Scott Morrison of a
$1.1 billion upgrade to the Royal Australian Air Force
Base at Tindal which is about 300 kilometres south of Darwin,
to lengthen the runway - so that US B-52 strategic bombers
as well as our own KC-30 air-to-air refuelling aircraft can
operate from there."

"The second development is the announcement by the US State
Dept that Australia has been cleared at a cost of about
$1.4 billion to purchase 200 AGM - 158C long-range anti-
ship missiles (LRASM) which can be fired from our F/A - 18
super hornets and the F-35s when they are delivered".

Paul Dibb sums up that "Taken together, then, the upgrade of
Tindal and the acquisition of LRASMs reiforce the US alliance
and foreshadow a significantly more potent Australian
deterrent capability to assert control
over our own region of primary strategic concern".

"The significance of these 2 developments
occurring at the same time should not be
underestimated and certainly not in Beijing".

There's more at the following link:

http://www.nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/how-australia-can-defend-itself-against-china-military-132677
_________________________________________________________________

Hi Armchair Critic,

Thank you for your concern. British English has tended to
keep the spelling of words it has absorbed from other
languages (e.g. French) while American English has
adapted the spelling to reflect the way the words actually
sound. As I am writing for a mixed group on this forum I
prefer to use the American "iza" instead of the British
"isa". It's my personal choice and I appreciate your
tolerance of it. (smile).

cont'd ...

Is Mise,

Sorry for the typo. Here's the link again:

http://www.nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/how-australia-can-defend-itself-against-chinas-military-132677

And right on cue our resident nasty, ttbn, rears his head.
He can't resist. I get quite excited when I see his name
on any of my discussions thinking - maybe, just maybe,
we're going to get something of substance from him, but
sadly - no. I guess his hatred of me is too deeply
ingrained over which I have no control.

If I was to walk on water - he's say -
"See - she can't swim!"

No matter what subject I raise as
a discussion - it's always according to him, "stupid".
And I always have a "hidden" agenda.

He's under no
obligation to contribute to any of my discussions - but
he simply can't resist coming on with his attempted
put-downs. He reminds
me of those poor demented creatures you see standing
on street corners and yelling at people

ttbn,

The Americans use English English we, on the other hand, tend to follow British English which is laced with French or French-influenced spellings.

Thus: program/programme.
center/centre
labor/labour

and so on.
(fortunately, we've gotten rid of the 'u' from 'doctour'.

Even the American military salute is English, unlike the British salute which is German, although the British Navy and ours, still use the English salute.
The USA is a repository of British spellings and customs and the nearest to spoken Elizabethan/Shakespear's English is said to be the dialects spoken by the so-called "Hillbillies".

Is Mise,

Thankyou for your info. You have told me this before, and I respect your take on on the matter. There are more important things than spelling, and I might have a rigid attitude, but I still prefer the the way I was taught, and I will always prefer it. I'm far from anti-American, but Australians have allowed themselves to take on too many Americanisms. Part of their cultural cringe and feelings of inadequacy, silly and all that those feelings are. My country, my culture is the one I like and admire. I don't intend to take on alien culture or language, and I don't expect other countries and cultures to change their ways either.

ttbn,

"Good on you. Anyone calling himself/herself Australian looks suspect if they use American spelling. Australian English is British English, NOT American English"

You do seem to have a bit of a worry over spellings and ,as I said, Australian English is not British English whereas American English is far more English than British English is.
http://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20180207-how-americans-preserved-british-english

CM, I referred to you as an old time wog basher, no necessarily in the physical sense, but more the verbal type of bashing. As for your idea of nuclear weapons, they are the thoughts of a warmonger, someone who advocates the annihilation of millions. You call me a communists, but like others on here, from your far right perspective I would seem like a communist, however you might define a communist.

As for China, I'm somewhat ambivalent, having no desire to see their political system inflicted on Australia, no more than having a desire to see our system of government inflicted on them.

Paul wrote: ..."Australia's economic success, post WWII, is very much down to immigration."

Actually Australia's economic success post 1788 is very much down to immigration.

Hi Paul,

I agree with you in seeing our country stand up to
China.

Australia has committed troops to each of
the US major conflicts since the second World War to
prove its worth as a security ally but I have to admit
that I am somewhat nervous of Washington under the current
president - who's adding to the instability that the
alliance was designed to prevent.

In the meantime Australia's economy has become the most
dependent on China. Today relying on these two great
powers as sources of security and prosperity seems
increasingly risky. Australia needs to find new partners.

I think that Australia will need to change the way it
operates. It will increasingly need to act without
counting on US support. It will need to cultivate support
among the governments of the island countries to our
immediate North and get on with our neighbours through
diplomatic means.

Of course I'm not suggesting we drop the US as an ally - it's
just that we do have to look at other alternatives as well
for our own security.

mhaze,

Good one!

While our economy was in the developing days, we needed immigration. Now, along with all developed countries, we DO NOT need it, particularly on the massive scale we have been enduring for so long. Immigration is now purely political, of no use to anyone but politicians and large, international retailers and real estate shysters and developers.

To listen to migrants and their supporters and the "stunning" achievements that non-Australians are supposed to have achieved, one would think that Australians sat around on their arses until these "saviours" arrived. Forget about the pioneers who made the country liveable for the johnny-come-latelies; forget about two world wars, the Korean war - even the Vietnam war that migrants missed. Then there's the British rule of law and way of life that most of the non-UK immigrants could not have dreamt of in the shiteholes they departed.

The rubbish put around on immigrants by the extreme left, in these pages, and the MSM (normal people don't mention it) is just one of the many things put about by a minority of wreckers and haters of our country and culture that we must say a firm NO to.

Ttbn,

People have come from hundreds of countries and regions to Australia and, once they are here, they have as much rights to bring over their relations as you do. They have equal rights in every way. EVERY WAY. There are no superior or inferior groups in Australia.

And hopefully, never will be.

Joe

pseudo-mouth,

What are your views on Sam Ibrahim getting deported after he was paroled?

Misoppinionated,

Fair enough. If he is not an Australian citizen, or has dual citizenship with Lebanon, then there would a case to deport him back to Lebanon.

What has it got to do with your favourite bug-bear of Asianisation ? Are you suggesting that Lebanese and Chinese are pretty much the same ?

Joe

Foxy,

I looked up the links and both authors are in La-la Land.

China could take Australia by sending shiploads of unarmed people here, we wouldn't sink the ships and as they'd conveniently run out of fuel as they arrived then we'd go bankrupt just feeding them.

On a more serious note, the submarine man doesn't seem to have factored in the very obvious need for bases and all that goes with keeping submarines afloat and I don't see the lengthening of Tindal's strip as worrying China in any way nor our acquisition of 200 anti-ship missiles.

The only deterrent would be a massive army.

pseudo-mouth,

Sam Ibrahim has lived here since the age of four.

He is a true blue Aussie just as much as you and Foxy.

I'm sure you would think differently if he was to send you a big Aussie "Allahu Akbar Mate!"

Dear Joe,

We are a nation of immigrants. Outside of Australia's
Indigenous people, we are all immigrants or
descendants of immigrants - some earlier than others but
all with an experience of immigration during the
foundation of modern Australia.

And as I've stated in the past, Australia is part of the
New World the world of immigrants, not part of the Old
World or the places they embark from. Nobody can afford
to be too precious about their position or entitlements
in this country because we all know that position and
entitlements are comparatively new.

Australia's immigration experience is also a broad one.
Originally it was predominantly Anglo-Celtic but after the
war our immigrants came increasingly from Europe and
in more recent times the mix has varied greatly and grown
considerably in numbers as well as in skills.

And all
these immigrant communities have made successful contributions
to Australian life including participating in wars, such as
the Vietnam war, and more recent conflicts, as well as in
exploration, innovation, medicine, science, educaton, health,
and many other fields- including of course - sport, music,
theatre, ballet, and the arts as well as business, and much
much more.

Foxy,

You left out the bit where the early immigrants went around trying to exterminate the indigenous peoples.

I'm all ears.

Is Mise,

Our attitude in the past has always been to fundamentally
rely on the US and the ANZUS Treaty. Our armed forces are
excellent and further investing in their capabilities
as Scott Morrison is doing is a good move. However we need
to cultivate support for our strategic interests among the
governments pf the island nations to the immediate
North and we need to get on better with our neighbours
through diplomatic means.

Mr O,

You are more than welcome to add to the subject.

Misop,

If he is a dual citizen, or has never taken out Australian citizenship, then he can be deported. He may be Christian, I don't know, but still would use that epithet, just as I use "Jesus f Christ" as an atheist.

If he has Australian citizenship, but has surrendered (or his parents surrendered) his Lebanese citizenship, then it may get a lot trickier.

Sorry, what's your point ?

Joe

Enjoy the rest of your day folks.
I'm going out.

We're going out this afternoon for our
cemetery visit. It's "All Saints Day" today
and I want to replace the flowers on/ and freshen up some
of our family graves. (actually they're my in-laws - my
family lies buried in Rookwood, Sydney).

Cheers.

cont'd ...

Thank goodness the lockdown restrictions have been
eased.

Foxy,

Thanks, but no one listens to anything I have to say.

Plus I get a kick out of just being the cynical sarcastic know-it-all wit on OLO.

Foxy,

if I had my way I would lock you and pseudo-mouth up forever.

Misop,

It's called being up yourself, mate.

Joe

Joe,

I have never mentioned the "rights" of immigrants. It is unnecessary immigration that concerns me, not who immigrates. My beef is with the governments who are filling up the country with people we do not need.

Immigrants are able to "bring over their relations", if the Australian government approves. It is not a 'right'.

My ancestors arrived here in the early 1800's. I don't think anybody in Scotland, England or Germany is likely to say, "Hey, cuzz. I'd like you to help me get into Australia". I don't know a soul who could vaguely be related to me outside Australia.

Thanks to you lefties, who are always telling us what terrible people the rest of us are: how 'racist' we are, what a waste of space we are, people like me, who used to be easy-going and and super-tolerant, have become mightily pissed off; sick and tired of ratbag minorities attacking anyone who is not Green or some other Commo flavour. Every maniac thinks he/she has a higher cause than other people. The "other people" are the so-called silent majority, who might be prepared to return B-graders like Queensland's Labor government, but who will not tolerate the sort of climate change/cancel culture/BLM/odd-bod immigration shite at the ballot box.

It is people like you, that awful woman, and Paul1405 - who think you are great warriors defending the weak - who are turning people against the very things so dear to your hearts. You are unaware of the damage you are doing to the people you think you are championing.

ttbn,

Don't worry, we're all Asian now.

Hi Joe,

ttbn once again simply can't stay away from a discussion
that he described as "stupid" raised by "that awful woman".
Strange that I'm still on his mind.
I guess I should be flattered. And, -
I've gone from "ignorant" to "awful". Wow!

Poor man. I actually feel sorry for him. Australia has
changed and he's finding it difficult to understand. Poor
thing is an anachronism - who I imagine yearns for
the come back of the "White Australia Policy"
which is well and truly now on the ash heap of history.

I honestly wish him peace in his old age. I don't bear any
ill-will towards him at all. And I am sorry that I seem
to be contributing in some small way to his angst. It is
not intentional or malicious on my part. Perhaps it would
help him if he was to stay away from anything I post and
any discussions that I initiate. That might help.

Foxy,

You forgot cuisine, and Australia is a better place for the immigrant contribution.

Which reminds me; I was at an Indian restaurant recently and a little old lady wearing a sari came up to our table, she told my wife how beautiful she looked and when I thanked her, in Hindi, she praised my pronunciation and the thickness of my white hair.

Turned out that she was the complimentary nan.

Is Mise,

She probably thought you were from a Brahman priestly caste because of your white hair and realised she needed to show deference to you.

You should try going to a Korean restaurant next time and see what happens.

Is Mise,

Thank you for sharing. I love Indian food - but
unfortunately I can no longer tolerate strong
spices. Our next door neighbours do the most
delicious dishes - and we often eat at each other's
homes. But they have to tone down some of the dishes
for me. I'm sure that they find my cooking somewhat
bland - although they've never said so. I also have
quite a few Indian type kaftans that I love to wear.
Saris are so beautiful and exotic. You're a lucky
man.

Where would Australia be without the marvellous food
you're right, I should have mentioned it.
But then immigrants have brought so much into
this country.

I remember my parents complaining at times about the
small choices in what was available in the form of
products. And, when there
weren't any European delis, when Christmas decorations
were not made up of glass balls, tinsel, and other
European style decorations, when there were not so
many choices in types of bread, and the list goes on.

Luckily things have changed - and today we are indeed
spoilt for choice.

Hi Foxy,

A good Yum Cha would not be complete without a decent serve of 'Chicken Feet', my wife's favourite, and don't forget the 'Pork Buns'. Personally of all Asian cuisine I prefer Japanese.

One thing we miss living in Brisbane, is the Asian butchers in Sydney. Mr O do an "Chinese" count in Hurstville shopping centre on a Saturday, you'll be surprised. Te Aroha particularly loved the butcher shops there, had everything she wanted, soft pork bones, pig tails, and when she was making her black pudding she could get, pigs jelly (blood), intestines, coarse pork mince and chicken livers. The 5 or 6 women behind the counter (very busy shops) couldn't speak English, and Te couldn't speak Cantonese, but she always got her message across as to what she wanted, despite the babble and din from all the squawkers serving and being served. Mr O the butcher shops are bedlam, you'll love it.

Foxy and Paul1405,

It's good to see you have come to terms with your Asianess.

Here's hoping a lot more will do the same.

Mr. Opinion,

I've had a revelation! The "Asianness" you refer to could be already here.

In Hasbeen's thread on Queensland getting back to normal, Paul 1405 advises that 'progressiveness' is now to be found in both major parties. Although I suspect that he is permanently on the turps these days, I have to agree with him. After all, I have often opined that there is little difference between Liberal and Labor.

With the lack of difference, we are getting towards the China-style one-party system; we could see an amalgamation at any time, perhaps with a gay wedding for the party leaders.

Hi Paul,

There's a wonderful Lithuanian recipe for chopped
meat in aspic. It's predominantly made up of jellied
pigs feet and is absolutely delish. It's usually
part of a banquet at dinner parties. I've made the
dish many times. It's a tradition for
special occasions passed on from one generation to
the next.

We're lucky to have some really good butchers in our area.
As well as green grocers and delis. I love Singapore noodles
and Chinese dumplings and of course the pork buns. Melbourne
is so good at giving people so many choices of what to eat.

I find it rather strange that Australia sings of having
"boundless plains to share" and yet some people cry about
who gets to enjoy them. Our national anthem tells us
that we welcome "those who come across the sea" as does
our society and economy but there are those still nagging
and complaining about who should come, where they should live,
what they should do, and how they are changing our lives.

We have benefited as a society and so has our economy.
Take our farmers. Where would they be without the short-term
immigrants (backpackers)? Because our local young people
seem to prefer to be on unemployment benefits rather than
work on farms.

Paul, I am curious what Te Arona - your wife's name means.
I looked it up and Te - seems to mean The - and Arona - it
says is a Maori girl's name (EHROWNAH) one who is colourful
and vivacious. Is that correct? It sounds wonderful.

I've come across another link that may be of interest
and help to broaden the discussion somewhat. Once again
we are told that Asian Australians make up around 12%
of Australia's population they hold less than 4% of
senior leadership positions and that they are not only
under represented but it seems they are also under
appreciated.

The following link gives more:

http://www.pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/most-asian-australians-experience-discrimination

I've made the same mistake - asking Asian people - "What
part of China are you from?" without realising that I
was making them feel like outsiders. I won't be doing
that again.

Foxy,

I think your 12% figure is way off.

What peoples of the world do you consider are classified as Asian?

Mr O,

It's not my figure. It's that of the 2016 Australian
census.

And the Australian census includes 4 regions of Asia
in its official definition - Central and SE Asian, South
East Asian, and NE Asian - while middle Eastern are
classified as North African and Middle Easterners.

It will be interesting to see what will happen
at the next federal election here in the seat
of Menzies in Victoria. The seat has been
occupied for over 28 years by the conservative
Kevin Andrews - the "Father of Australian Parliament".

Mr Andrews has held the seat for several decades and
during the last election he was challenged by Stella
Yee, an impressive member of the community:

http://www.stellayee.community/pages/general/meet-stella

Interesting times ahead.

Foxy,

Asia covers that enormous land mass between Europe and the Pacific and the Arctic to the Indian Ocean.

Basically from Turkey to Japan and from Siberia to Sri Lanka.

All those Middle Eastern nations like Lebanon, Syria Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, etc. are Asian.

As you can see Asian is really a geographical definition not a racial / ethnic definition.

Gladys Berejiklian is Asian. Were you aware of that? Which might count for her popularity in Sydney where a lot of people are from Asia or descended from people who came from Asia.

I can tell you as a Sydneysider that if you travel around Sydney on public transport you will see mainly Asian passengers - very few caucasian people.

Mr O,

Do you know how long these "Asian" people that you're
describing have been here in Australia? Is it possible
that some of them did not "get off the boat/p;ane
yesterday?

I remember my husband being asked once by a nurse
in a public hospital - "Do you need an interpreter?"
I guess it was due to my husband's "foreign"
surname.

To which he replied in his Oxford English - "Why doesn't
the doctor speak English?"

Foxy,

Australia is now part of Asia.

That was the purpose of the Asianization process.

It was a geographical integration.

This is why we are now all Asians.

Misop,

Dumb-dumb: who uses public transport ? Disproportionately: newcomers, students, people without cars, women and older people. Would they ne likely to be, in your ridiculous terms, Asian ? Possibly.

Who DOESN't use public transport ? People with cars (and private parking spaces), men, affluent and upper-class people, people between 18 and 70 years, etc. Are these likelier to be Asian ? I don't think so.

Sociology 101.

As for who and what is 'Asian': in Iran alone, there are probably hundreds of ethnic groups, they've been there for many thousands of years in some cases. Part of Syria's problem is that it has militarised very long-standing ethnic and religious distinctions. Turkey is a mish-mash of ethnic groups, some never yet conquered by the Turks.

And India: hundreds of language groups, a multitude of different gods. As a compromise, three official languages nation-wide and a plethora of official local languages.

Burma: a patchwork of different ethnic groups, languages.

Indonesia: an official language, but a multitude of local languages. People are as likely to proudly call themselves Javanese or Sumatran or Balinese as Indonesian.

A dozen Chinese language groups that I can name, and I don't know much about it all.

Afghanistan: my god.

Filipino/Filipinas ? Hundreds of local groups, languages, animist, Muslim and Christian groups.

North-South Vietnamese, minority groups like Hmong and Muong and Cham. Vietnamese-Chinese.

Thailand ? Another multitudinous country. Laos and Cambodia ? Same-same.

So if you're assuming some sort of gigantic conspiracy whereby all 'Asians' come together, in their totality of 12 %, to take over Australia, dream on.

Joe

Thanks Joe - Australia is a great mix of people
and when you look back at some of our explorers
they were a mix as well. From Hartog, Dirck,
Jantszoon, Willem - Abel Tasman, all
Dutch, to Baudin, Nicholas La Perouse, Jean Francois -
both French, to Strzelecki, Paul - and Tadeusz Kosciuszko -
both Polish, to Ludwig Leichhardt - German,
just to name a few.

I remember being told by a Catholic priest, Principal of
a private Catholic school here in Melbourne at a function
how I wasn't a "typical migrant" . He was going by my
married "foreign" surname. And he meant it as a compliment.
I couldn't help thinking "That may be father, but you're
a typical Irish priest!" And then I thought - I'd better
behave - or God 'll get me for it.

pseudo-mouth,

If you had done an Arts degree and studied things like history, sociology, archaeology, anthropology, philosophy, etc. you would have learned that Asia is an geographical region not simply an 'Asian' cultural/ethnic enclave as you seem to think.

Apart from being a pie baker what other jobs have you had; engineer, accountant, lawyer, etc? You know, all the vocational things.

Misop,

I wonder if you've ever walked through a university; probably on s school excursion. I hope you can eventually pass your secondary schooling and enrol at one.

I did Asian Studies with a wonderful team at Flinders, led by the amazing Graeme Hugo, now deceased. Just lovely people. Graeme caught malaria in Indonesia, and used to lecture and tutor while he was shivering and shaking.

I have to admit that at that time, forty years ago, I was far more interested in Asian Studies (and African Studies too) than I was in Australian Studies. Still am, in many ways.

Joe

pseudo-mouth,

How many degrees does that make it that you have?

I think I've counted 12 so far.

Foxy,

One of your explorers, Tadeusz Kosciuszko, was never in Australia; the mountain was named in honour of him by Paul Strzelecki.

Is Mise,

Thanks for the clarification on Kosciuszko.

His name honours the highest peak of the Australian
continent and one of the largest national parks
for a reason. Justly so.

Kosciuszko designed and established parks and gardens
everywhere he went. Today if he was alive he would be
counted amongst the greatest conservationists.

It's very appropriate to honour the man in this way.

We probably have many great individuals who've never
set foot in Australia - but have been
honoured in this country. Can you name any others?

Foxy,

St Patrick.

Is Mise,

Of course - there's Jesus, Mary, and so many saints,
religious, and various leaders in general - to choose from.
But we were, I thought, discussing
place names, national parks, and larger landscapes.
For example - Mount Jim Crow National Park
that lies between Rockhampton and Yeppoon -
named after the American ( remember the
black segregations laws).
It was renamed Baga in 2018.

Of course we also have all the colonial statues, and
those of royalty - such as Queen Victoria

The University of New South Wales has decided to
honour some of the world's most inspiring
leaders on the University's library lawn.
There are busts of Nelson Mandela alongside
Mahatma Gandhi. Graduating students can have their
photos and family photos taken there.

There's also an imposing statue of Confucius in
Brisbane.

Who said you don't learn anything on this forum
Thank you Is Mise for broadening this discussion.

To make it geographical, Patrick's Plains, NSW.

My gr-gr-gr-grandfather Bob Higgins, has a creek named after him; it runs into Warragamba Dam. He was one of the convicts building the first road over the Blue Mountains. There should be a poem about that creek:

Oh, mighty Bob Higgins Creek,
By whose banks I love to linger,
And plumb the very bottom,
With my little finger.

An ex-soldier, he married a convict woman from Shropshire, perhaps Welsh and possibly a Gypsy; their daughter married another convict, a sheep-thief from the Scottish borderlands.

The apple doesn't roll far from the tree.

Joe

Hi Joe,

What a wonderful family history you have.

I've nothing as exciting to link us to our
confict past.

The only thing that comes to
mind, which was rather exciting at the time
was that - my brother's wife's family were stud-farmers
in Quirindi, NSW, and they named a prize bull after my
eldest son. Which was lovely. He was so proud. Even had
a photo of the bull that he framed.

Hi Foxy,

Wow, I'd love to have had a stud bull named after me. My wife would have had a good laugh :)

Joe

Dear Joe,

Yes it was a lovely thing for my brother's
wife's dad to have done for our young son.
When the old man passed away we gave a
donation to "feed for farmers" in that area
who were doing it tough because they were hit by
the drought. It was instead of flowers.

Aussie farmers are a special breed. I'm so
proud to have them in our family.

Foxy,

You're right about farmers. As a Bankstownie, I didn't have much time for those whom I stereotyped as 'hayseeds' and 'hicks', but when I went fruit-picking over a few seasons (which should be compulsory labour for all young able-bodied people, a sort of gap year), I realised how hard they worked, on the one hand, and how intelligently and imaginatively they managed their properties, on the other.

Joe

Joe,

Did you ever do bean or pea picking?

The first day's bean picking that I ever did I earned 10 shillings the norm was around 40 shillings!!

Is Mise,

No, only fruit: grapes (Gordos were a killer), peaches, apricots, pears, citrus; and working in a dairy.

And ploughed up a couple of thousand acres with a huge, brand-new tractor on an Aboriginal community.

Incredibly valuable experiences. All young people should have something similar.

Joe

Looks like Bronwyn Bishop now sees the Chinese as a threat:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/australia-is-in-enormous-danger-from-china/ar-BB1aIDHW?ocid=msedgdhp

I think it is pretty obvious that the Chinese have been setting Australia up for a vassal state if not a complete takeover.

Why do you think China has been so eager to put millions of Chinese into Australia?

"The first day's bean picking that I ever did I earned 10 shillings the norm was around 40 shillings!!"

Issy, obviously a slacko', did you spend 3/4 of the time sleeping under a tree? In her younger days the wife did picking in NZ, onions, pumpkin's, watermelons, all sorts of produce. Watermelons are hard, can't drop em'... they could crack.

BTW; How's that TRUMP bet of yours looking?

Paul1405,

I do a lot of fruit picking with my wife when we go to the supermarket.

"How about some pears? They look OK."

Does that count?

Paul,

Obviously, you've never picked beans!!

My Trump bets are not looking good but as the odds were favourably long I didn't lay out much, and what I did was from the betting kitty which was in good shape thanks to our PM.

Hopefully I've got the correct thread for this post...

Loudmouth's hero-

http://news.aag.org/2015/02/in-memoriam-graeme-hugo/

Another "Social Commentator"/ "Activist" aka Communist- fascinating.

The fact that Hugo was highly awarded by various groups including an OA perhaps indicates how far we have fallen in the west. Though at least there are some that hold similar that are not of the "Social Commentator"/ "Activist" persuasion.

"In addition to his extraordinary intellectual output, Hugo was an activist, concerned with the development of equitable population and migration policies informed by evidence, building positive relationships between Australia and Asian nations, and the rights of migrants and refugees. He was also a regular voice on radio as a social commentator."

Posted by loudmouth2, Friday, 30 October 2020 12:03:21 PM-

"In Australia's future, I don't think any particular ethnic group is ever going to be the most populous again, like English-Australians may like to think. They were probably always outnumbered by Irish, Scots and Welsh anyway. No, our future will be made up of our two hundred-plus nationalities and ethnic groups, not to mention, hundreds of different Indigenous groups, all inter-marrying, producing the most beautiful children in the world.
So ethnic dominance is gone forever; ethnic diversity is our destiny now. Wish I was fifty years younger :) "

Answer- As Mr Opinion has alluded to- Loudmouth's comment proves that he wants to disenfranchise British Australian's from Australia. He doesn't believe that cultures have a right to their own self determination. In the UN this is known as genocide. And he also thinks with a certain "male appendage". It's interesting that those that aspire to a sexless, raceless, nationless- "blank slate" world- talk about race, sex, nation so much.

But sadly Loudmouth is probably right- British Australian's are probably going to be "wiped out"- because British Australian's haven't stood up for themselves

As for Foxy not being hateful-

Perhaps Foxy believe's she is a good person- or maybe she wants to be seen to be good- or maybe she has an "agenda".

But I can't think of many things more hateful than to replace white American's in the nation they founded- or replacing British Australian's in Australia- or replacing British people in Britain.

Even the colonialists generally left the culture their land- you could call what they did hateful- but replacing the people is on another level- beyond hate.

What happened in Lithuania in the late 1800's was disappointing- but what are the daughters of Lithuania doing now? Very sad.

I would like the Lithuanian Polish Commonwealth returned to something of it's former glory- so that the many Lithuanian peoples can return to something called home- something would need to be negotiated with the Prussian's as perhaps they deserve some glory too.

Cultural conflict is the history of the world- it hasn't changed- it's just the cultures have changed- Communism is also a culture- some say they are a nihilistic culture- the current cultural conflict is between the people that believe in 1. one world universalist globalism and those that believe in 2. more local forms of government. The Localist's are the underdog's despite what the Globalist's propagandise.

The solution to cultural and ethnic conflict and disagreement is not- the destruction of culture- or forcing cultures together- but managing the interfaces between them. Sometimes cultures need to retreat back to their own territory. Globalism gives cultures no where to go- this could actually create more conflict. But do the powerful care about this- power is power.

Many will die- who dies will depend on what you do

In answer to Canem Malum's question - "What are
the Daughters of Lithuania doing now?"

The two following links explain:

http://www.daughtersoflithuania.org/content/about-us/

http://www.australianlithuanians.org/mwswsoc/

my apologies for the mis-type. Here is the first
link again:

http://www.daughtersoflithuaniala.org/content/about-us/

I respect your loyalty to your people Foxy. I hope that you can also respect mine to mine. Even if you can't admit it in the contemporary political climate.

I guess we continue to kick the can down the road even as the problems get more difficult.

We are all subject to the inertia of our political surrounds- our family, our workplace, our children, our community. Globalism, Multiculturalism, family, etc lends a new perspective to the concept of nurture or nature

Canem Malum,

I am an Australian (of Lithuanian ancestry).

Our aim should always be to behave with respect
towards others and to encourage this in all people.

Bad Dog,

Those are disgraceful and hateful remarks about a very good man. When Graeme Hugo was my lecturer and tutor, I was a Maoist but I never noticed any inclination on the part of Prof Hugo to promote those ideologies: he was a straight-forward community development advocate and passionate admirer of Asian cultures and people.

You really don't know what you are talking about, in the slightest.

And no, I'm no longer a Maoist, not even a Maoist pie baker; that went some decades ago. Not a single Marxist/Leninist/Maoist blueprint has ever worked, and I don't think one ever will. Such Utopian schemes collapse very quickly in the face of reality, having to grapple with real issues and problems, and invariably degenerate into their fascist opposites, with the secret police taking charge.

Joe

http://news.aag.org/2015/02/in-memoriam-graeme-hugo/

Most of the remarks come from the website of The American Association of Geographers.

I'm suspicious of those that started as Marxists then become Socialists or Social Commentators.

This is what happened with Herbert Marcuse of the controversial Frankfurt School and considered the Father of the New Left.

"His best known works are Eros and Civilization (1955) and One-Dimensional Man (1964). His Marxist scholarship inspired many radical intellectuals and political activists in the 1960s and 1970s, both in the United States and internationally. .. Marcuse's critiques of capitalist society (especially his 1955 synthesis of Marx and Sigmund Freud, Eros and Civilization, and his 1964 book One-Dimensional Man) resonated with the concerns of the student movement in the 1960s. ... Noam Chomsky, who knew and liked Marcuse "but thought very little of his work."[24] Marcuse's 1965 essay "Repressive Tolerance"... In 1972 he wrote Counterrevolution and Revolt, which argues that the hopes of the 1960s were facing a counterrevolution from the right."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Marcuse

On the other hand James Burnham appears to have been genuinely reformed from Marxism.

"James Burnham (November 22, 1905 – July 28, 1987) was an American philosopher and political theorist. Burnham became a prominent Trotskyist activist in the 1930s. ... he became a friend to Leon Trotsky. Writing for Partisan Review, Burnham was also an important influence on writers including Dwight Macdonald and Philip Rahv.[10] However, Burnham's engagement with Trotskyism was short-lived: from 1937 a number of disagreements came to the fore. ...He rejected Marxism and became an even more influential theorist of the right as a leader of the American conservative movement.[1] His book The Managerial Revolution, published in 1941, speculated on the future of capitalism. Burnham was an editor and a regular contributor to William F. Buckley's conservative magazine National Review on a variety of topics. He rejected containment of the Soviet Union and called for the rollback of communism worldwide."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Burnham

Back to topic:

Misopinionated,

'Asianisation': what do you mean by this portmanteau term ? Asia is a huge continent, with a multitude of centres of civilisation and culture. Is there some sort of idiot suggestion that 'Asians', no matter where they are based or from, somehow conspire to work together ?

Chinese (Han, Uihgur, Hakka, Tiewchew, Tibetan, Hokkien, fifty minority groups, etc.), with Japanese, with Filipinos/Filipinas, Vietnamese, Indonesians, Sri Lankans, North Indians/South Indians, with Pakistanis, with Afghans (Pathans, Hazara, Uzbeks, Tajiks), Thai, Burmese of various conflicting groups, Iranians, Arabs, Kurds, Turks, Azeris and Armenians ?

All secretly conspiring together to take over Australia ? Is that it ?

You may have to provide some basic evidence.

Joe

From memory Asianisation was talked about in the public sphere numerous times and has become policy of both sides over the forty year period from Bob Hawk (including Tiananmen Square 1989), Paul Keating, etc. Perhaps even Whitlam influenced this process through his meeting with communist leaders and leading to Nixon's meetings. Whitlam was seemingly sceptical about the value of US / Australian relations.