mhaze,

Of course you think that you're positive.
That's your psychological make-up - the
authoritarian personality - a distinctive set of
traits, including conformity, intolerance, and
insecurity. You're submissive to superiors and
bullying to those you consider inferiors. You guys
have anti-intellectual and anti-scientific attitudes
and are highly disturbed by any ambiguity in sexual
or religious matters and you see the world in very
rigid and stereotyped terms. You love labelling
people.

You're generally products of family environments in which
the parents were cold, aloof, disciplinarian and
themselves bigoted.

There's nothing to be gained by further conversation
with any of you. You need what I can't provide -
a lobotomy.

Foxy,
why is that whenever you're out of sensible replies you resort to ridicule ? Is it really too hard for you to see the realistic side of everyday life ?
If you can't tell by now that Paul1405 has it in for anyone who is White i.e. those who feed him, than you're blinder than I thought !

Dearest Foxy,

One thing I've learnt - the hard way - over fifty-sixty years involved, one way or another, with Indigenous people, is to rely on the truth. But that sometimes means having to stand back, be a bit sceptical of claims and complaints, and if possible find evidence one way or another, for any of those claims and complaints.

I'm not such a mug that I'd believe every counter-claim either, but triangulation of data from different sources, different times, different states, goes a long way.

Hence, one case of proven 'stolen children' in all of Australia, over 200 years (amazing, surely): Bruce Trevorrow, my wife's sort-of-second cousin. Every child taken into care would have a file in their State's archives. Why no class action, in the thousands, by Slater & Gordon, or Maurice Blackburn, etc. ?

Hence, no unambiguous evidence of Aboriginal farming; no native grains worth cultivating; no native animals that could be used as draught animals like cattle or horses of buffalo; no unambiguously farming tools; no farming songs, stories, rituals, legends, even farming words in any Aboriginal language.

Deaths in Custody: a lower rate of deaths in custody than of Indigenous people in custody.

Etc. Etc. He who asserts must demonstrate, or everybody can ignore, laugh at, deride, those assertions as ridiculous.

I'm craving to believe - 'Say not the struggle naught availeth' - in something worthwhile: genuine self-determination, i.e. economic activity, building up communities with the enormous resources that they now have. But I've waited now for fifty years and there still doesn't seem to be much sign of any of that on the horizon. Ah, the magic ingredient: effort.

No: no more bullsh!t. The truth, always.

Once bitten, twice shy. Fifty times bitten, .......

Joe

Dear Joe,

I value your opinion and expertise.

And I know your heart is in the right place.

Individual,

I don't agree with you on Paul.
And it's clear that we are not equipped to agree
with one another on so many things. There's no
point therefore in continuing to talk. Take care.

Hi Foxy,

What can I say about the Peter Smith article, can we expect less from an extremist such as Smith, me thinks not. The man would have plenty of supporters right here on this forum.

In this thread I referred to a a class action in Western Australia by Indigenous people to recover unpaid wages. What is interesting is on advice the claim is not disputed by the WA government, and it relates to two separate acts of parliament that were used to legitimise government theft. How many times have the forums 'Usual Suspects' taken a "nothing to see here" attitude whenever Aboriginal disadvantage is brought up. Not one of the revisionist has attempted to counter my original post. They offer nothing more than abuse and deflection, with the occasional unrelated anecdotal story of "how well off was Darkie"!

Here was the big chance for the lads to tear the Western Australian government to pieces, and the Queensland government as well, but they've all wimped out