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Easing into a National Service Scheme

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Still going on about something that isn't going to happen!
ttbn,
just you wait till vegies are in short supply soon on the Supermarket shelves !
Consumers will demand the young unemployed go to the farms picking fruit & vegies !
Similar to a NS scheme.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 17 October 2020 1:26:27 PM
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I hope you all pay attention to this post.
I outlined the solution for you years ago and my reasons why I thought it was the right one.

And I still support the exact same conclusions I originally came to.

Look at the bigger picture.
We have private capitalist healthcare and a socialist base level heathcare system
We have private capitalist education and a socialist base level education system
- The socialist systems prvide a base level of heathcare and education to all citizens, whilst the private capitalist systems allow you to enjoy a higher standard than the base level, if you're willing to pay for it.
We have a private capitalist jobs sytems but we don't really think of it that way, it's just jobs.
But to make the system right, and fair to all, we need a socialist base level jobs system, to help pay for the free base level healthcare and education systems we already have in place.
Some people argue to get rid of medicare, this just takes up backwards.
To go forwards we need to build the system properly with a base level socialist jobs system.

Think 'The job you have when you don't have a job'
Think 'Double-dole doing full time work doing things to help the government save money - or be more effective for the nation'
Think we already pay people half of 'double dole' to do nothing.
Why not pay them double dole, get something back and then break even instead of taking an outright loss?
Why let them fall into a downward spiral in their lives if you don't have to?
How much are you going to save altogether?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 17 October 2020 1:45:56 PM
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Let them choose.

What happens if we remove Centrelink compliance and all that goes with it, save all that money and put it into a system that actually does provide a fair and decent opportunity to get ahead?

What happens if we just create a system where in the same way you choose to take part in this optional system, your also choosing to not take part in it if you dont?

Double Dole, + Training Credits towards purchasing new skills
+ extra rewards and incentives for more difficult or better skilled work.

Incentive on training for jobs via the app - free
(free to watch videos of job tasks, practical and theory of skills and jobs explained)
For example learn how to use equipment by simulators
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKIH1inweIU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZa24yI_ESw
Testing for these new skills - comes out of your training credits or you can pay for it yourself or even afterpay the testing costs
- digital resume, and jobs in the socialist base level jobs system matched to skills in digital resume

What happens if we actually create a system that breaks the cycle of intergenerational welfare dependence, with one that empowers the individual to do better for themselves?

I figured this out years ago.

We have the power with computers and apps to do it.
We could never do this before, and now we can.

I thought we needed to create a national project like high speed road rail water electricty internet hub connecting all capital cities.
And connect all different sources of power generation to this hub
Generators in train wheels to return power to the grid when not under power, water flow generators from the transferring of water from full dams to emptier ones.
Solar and wind farms, waterwheels even, built where practicable all along the grid to increase output, even nuclear plant in each state if necessary.
Big housing factories where various designed removalble dwellings come off a production line and can be delivered anywhere via the new road rail network fast.

I was thinking big, but making best use of farms is just as important.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 17 October 2020 2:04:36 PM
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The reason why I thought 'high speed road rail water electricty internet hub connecting all capital cities' was the best idea, was because I realised the only way to actually make businesses in our country more competitive without lowering wages is to lower the cost of transport and electricity instead.

So the real aim of the socialist jobs system is to provide more skills for and opportunities for the capitalist jobs / business system.

One hand washes the other.

And the housing factory idea came as a progression of the transport hub idea.
If we now have a more effective transport hub why not use it to our benefit create more jobs for people assembling these houses in factories and deliver them anywhere.

We extend the benefits.

The government could rent them to people requiring housing, and sell or lease excess, we could've used some quarantine areas with this pandemic.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 17 October 2020 2:18:52 PM
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Armchair Critic,
We simply can not start Day 1 with everything in place. What we need to do is simply start !
Start & then let it snowball !
I just pray that the COVID-19 situation & the very soon shortage of produce workers situation, will jerk people into clearly seeing that we can't go on as we have in the 30 years.
we need to accept that only reward for effort keeps things going, not fanciful idealist rhetoric.
Socialism only works for a few & only as long as the capitalists can employ people.
Does anyone here think COVID-19 is the only hurdle for us ?
Think just a little more about bureaucrats who inappropriate our Tax Dollars & still get full pay whilst many lost income & even accommodation !
Whilst we have the impact of COVID-19, Public Servant salaries should be dropped by 10 % as should registration fees !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 17 October 2020 4:45:24 PM
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Also council rates should drop by 10% or more. My understanding is bloated councils have increased at greater than inflation for a while and are now offering extensive costly services that aren't used by many. What about user pays. Child care shouldn't generally be run by the councils. $120 for rubbish per year when you don't have a bin- ridiculous. Australian's need to put pressure on state governments to control council rates- I think that is the how this works- Minister for Local Government- they need to reduce head count in councils. High rates keeps rent high
Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 17 October 2020 11:35:17 PM
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