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Copyright of the Indigenous Flag

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the red is depicting the sand/soil in central Australia
SteeleRedux,
Thank you for the explanation however, I have actually been informed by people who could safely be categorised as 'stirrers' that the unofficial reference is what I referred to.
Why do Australian Indigenous always refer to themselves as Aboriginal ?
Others indigenous/Aboriginals around the World have a distinct, self reference as to their identity !
Posted by individual, Monday, 24 August 2020 9:12:54 PM
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Individual,

Aboriginal people may not have common word for themselves as a collectivity - apart from 'Aboriginal', or 'Indigenous', but they do have local words - Nunga, Nyungah, Koori, Murri, etc. I would have thought that you would be fully aware of this up where you are.

Of course, this was one of the purposes, as I understand it, of popularising the Aboriginal Flag - at first, really the Indigenous Flag, for all Indigenous people in Australia, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders - to provide some common basis for them, in terms of self-definition, as a basis for common action.

But the pressures within Indigenous groups for parochialism and differentiation work in the opposite direction. So many local groups have devised their own flags, which vitiates, really buggers up, the intention to try to pull people together.

I do recall, in the year that the Flag was really being popularised, 1972, a huge brawl at the local 'Aboriginal' pub, the Carrington, between two groups from the two main ex-Missions closest to Adelaide. I recall one bloke being place-kicked under the chin; over he went like a sack of potatoes. There seemed to be a couple of dozen fights going on simultaneously.

So much for unity. Stupid bastards.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Monday, 24 August 2020 9:38:29 PM
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Aboriginal people may not have common word for themselves as a collectivity
loudmouth2,
Just as I always thought it was. The reference of 'First Nation' is therefore fairly ambiguous !
Posted by individual, Monday, 24 August 2020 11:28:15 PM
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SR,

Don't be such a Fwit. I lived in the house I owned and then sold it because I moved cities, which means that I never negatively geared it. Also, having sold my house I then had to buy another at a similar inflated price.

Secondly with regards to intellectual property, the flag is hardly a work of art, and not comparable to a patent that people have spent $ms on. Perhaps you should look up the term "rent seeking" before becoming all anal retentive.

P.S. I assume that your comment about the race of the author was meant to mean that because of his race he is immune from critism. Just another racist comment from you.
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 25 August 2020 3:50:00 AM
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Dear shadowminister,

Once again busily building straw men to divert the conversation.

You can't negatively gain your house of residence but that wasn't what I put to you at all is it. I said;

“And why aren't you a rent seeker? You have seemingly profited greatly from government immigration and negative gearing policies in the sale of your house. Are you going to return the profits?”

Those policies have driven house prices and you have directly profited from them. The fact that you and the rest of your party ailed so hard against the proposed corrections to negative gearing does make you a rent seeker, especially as you were seeking to maintain an unequal system designed to distort the market in favour of the propertied class.

The creator of the aboriginal flag did not have had a vote in any election, or directly lobbied politicians to have his design designated as a recognised flag in Australia. How does that make him a rent seeker except in the loosest definition of the word?

As to the flag being a work of art of course it is and regard as such by many. Its simplicity was not an accident and its ability to connect and to represent a movement is undeniable except by the most churlish.

You also have failed to answer the question. Why aren't this person's intellectual property rights worthy of protection and of being defended by you as dictated by your politics?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 25 August 2020 9:16:00 AM
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Indigenous people need to embrace their Asianisation and adopt a flag that symbolises this achievement.

A yellow emu on a red background might do.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 25 August 2020 9:45:11 AM
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