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Posted by Josephus, Monday, 10 August 2020 6:13:38 PM
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Dear mhaze,
Get your hand off it mate, this was hardly the best I could come up with since I didn't bother seeking anything else. I picked a link, looked at the credentials of the first 'expert' it mentioned and they were shocking. Who forges a diploma and thinks they will get away with it? I am not going to trawl through all the rubbish you are vomiting on to the page in defense of your tinfoil hat folk. However I will ask again, is there a study or an expert you are prepared to hang your case on? If there is then please furnish it so I can properly appraise it. Otherwise back on your box selling coloured pencils my friend. As to Hatfill working for USAMRIID he lasted less than 2 years before having to become a 'consultant' for a private firm. This firm was looking to secure a CIA contract and Hatfill had to upgrade his low level security clearance but failed the CIA lie detector test over his claimed involvement with the Rhodesian SAS. The company gave him 6 months to sort it out but he couldn't do it was was fired. Being a very disgruntled former employee is what brought him to the FBI's attention. Talk about lies catching up to you. And you continue to defend him? Surely there must be someone else to hold up to support your case, this one is done. Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 10 August 2020 7:28:10 PM
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Let me make note of one of SR's quirks. If he starts a post with some data or straight out opinion, you can assume its going to have some substance.
If he starts of with a childish attack eg "Get your hand off it" you can assume he's got nothing of substance, knows he has nothing of substance and just wants to get the childish shots in before it becomes obvious he's got nothing. The issue here is the data. Almost every second day a new study comes out which shows the HCQ+Z has some level of efficacy against the WuFlu, and/or that it is generally safe. I've already mentioned a few said studies. But there are now dozens out there. Now none of those studies by themselves is conclusive because, due to the short timeframes involved, they have been relatively small. But over time, a series of small studies becomes convincing. So what does SR do in reflecting on those studies. Nothing. Not a damn thing. Instead he searches through all those who talk about the studoes, find one chap with a checkered past, distorts that past and declares that the whole thing is a fake. Bozo. But of course the data never interested SR anyway. He'd already declared it false before he even looked at it. Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 1:07:16 PM
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Dear mhaze,
I wrote; “I will ask again, is there a study or an expert you are prepared to hang your case on? If there is then please furnish it so I can properly appraise it.” You didn't. Instead you attempted to excuse yourself with; “Now none of those studies by themselves is conclusive because, due to the short timeframes involved, they have been relatively small. But over time, a series of small studies becomes convincing.” Good lord I had forgotten how slippery you were. Okay, how about you flag three studies which best make your case and I will review each. I will make the point however that the deep scepticism you deploy over Global Warming studies has been completely parked on this issue. Why do you think that is? Mate again, this is fringe stuff akin to anti-vaxx clap trap, why do you do it? Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 2:32:01 PM
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To date, more than 300 clinical trials in humans are underway around the world to investigate treatments for the virus, with several of these occurring in Australia. Among the most hyped drugs are hydroxychloroquine, an antimalarial that is also used to treat people with painful autoimmune conditions, and lopinavir and ritonavir, both antiretroviral drugs. Antibiotics are also being studied.
The findings come as all patients with COVID-19 being admitted to intensive care at the Royal Brisbane and Women’s hospital in Queensland are being given hydroxychloroquine as part of their treatment. A separate study, known as Ascot (AustralaSian COVID-19 Trial), is underway in more than 70 Australian hospitals and will test whether lopinavir/ritonavir and hydroxychloroquine, alone or in combination, prevents deterioration of COVID-19 patients. A leader of the Ascot study, Prof David Paterson, said despite the disappointing findings from the US, the Australian study would go ahead. The US study was retrospective and conducted in a relatively small group of patients, whereas the Ascot study is being conducted as a randomised control trial, the strongest type of study and the gold standard for evidence. http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australian-hydroxychloroquine-trials-continue-despite-studies-showing-no-benefit-to-coronavirus-patients/ar-BB13hPJw Posted by Josephus, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 5:33:01 PM
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A Democratic New York City Councilman says hydroxychloroquine saved his life after a near-fatal run-in with COVID-19 in March.
Paul Vallone, who represents northeast Queens, took the drug along with a standard Z-pack — given for bacterial infections — and came back from the brink almost immediately. “I couldn’t breathe, very weak, couldn’t get out of bed. My doctor prescribed it. My pharmacy had it. Took it that day and within two to three days I was able to breathe,” Vallone told The Post. “Within a week I was back on my feet.” http://nypost.com/2020/08/08/nyc-councilman-credits-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-recovery/?fbclid=IwAR0aRvgxt0ReG2a1awJdtJkffCOXABGmv--1WQkYfe0DnzwBCzB_M2izn8A Posted by Josephus, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 5:58:55 PM
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http://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6179108952001?fbclid=IwAR1_Zw_9RJ835quY-WRj5WnmIRqgU_sLrbz4GpHs6q0lH-PoCQ0CNzmo2qE
Ivermectin treatment is a ‘real killer of coronavirus’: Gastroenterologist Professor Thomas Borody says Ivermectin used in conjunction with two other drugs is making it look like “corona is very simple to kill”