As more and better data comes in,its becoming increasingly clear that Hydrochloroquine (HCQ), when offered/taken early and combined with Zinc supplements is, if not exactly a cure-all, extremely useful at reducing the death rate from the WuFlu.

http://stream.org/hydroxychloroquine-helps-poor-nations-overcome-covid-19/

http://hcqtrial.com/#setup

http://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/08/07/theres-a-mountain-of-evidence-that-hydroxychloroquine-is-an-effective-treatment-for-covid-19-n763953

http://nypost.com/2020/08/08/nyc-councilman-credits-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-recovery/

And plenty of other evidence. For example, Mumbai has seen surprisingly few deaths and at least part of the reason is the early and wide use of HCQ+Z.

Those who’ve followed this know that the drug was lauded by Trump in the early days. So of course it has been demonised ever since.
There have been some trials which came out against HCQ but most of them have since been debunked and some withdrawn as using dodgy data.

The drug is comparatively safe and has been shown to reduce death rates. SO OF COURSE, in Australia, its use is severely restricted. Why? Well, I’d suggest some reasons:
1. Having precipitously come out against it, health officials are reluctant to back-track. At least some of the deaths in the intervening period would be blamed on them.
2. TDS – Trump is pro therefore the woke need to be anti. It was also suggested that there is a desire to not use the drug so as to ensure that Trump can’t claim to have been right all along.
3. The drug is out of patent and therefore no one can make any real money from it.

They tell us it’s all about saving lives. But is it?

Then there’s masks. The health ‘experts’ have been back and forth on their usefulness. In the main there is little conclusive evidence that masks do much of anything unless they are the high-end N95 masks used by the health fraternity. But in the main the masks are a placebo…

http://fee.org/articles/europes-top-health-officials-say-masks-arent-helpful-in-beating-covid-19/?utm_source=zapier

SO OF COURSE, despite their usefulness being questionable, they are now compulsory in the increasingly totalitarian Victoria. Even if you screw-up most aspects of the fight against the WuFlu, forcing people to do something superficial makes it look like you’re doing something. And appearing to be doing something is what it’s really all about.

There are certainly people against HCQ just because Donald Trump thought it was a good idea, and it doesn't get more pathetic than that. Your hint that blowhards posing as 'experts' will not change their minds because of ego problems is probably correct. The people who have made such a dog's breakfast of the Chinese virus panic will have to be dead before the truth gets revealed because our ridiculous libel laws protect such people.

'becoming increasingly clear that Hydrochloroquine (HCQ), when offered/taken early and combined with Zinc supplements is, if not exactly a cure-all, extremely useful at reducing the death rate from the WuFlu.'

no Mhaze it has been clear for a long time. Unfortunately the lying left media puts politics above the lives of people. Fauci and Gates are a disgrace.

We certainly don't see much problem with the virus, where Hydrochloroquine is taken weekly for malaria control do we.

I took the stuff for 5 years without experiencing any side effects, & that was starting over 45 years ago, so plenty of time for any resultant damage to express itself. It certainly worked for malaria, as I was in some pretty bad places for that.

I posted the recommended weekly dose of Hydrochloroquine and Zinc on Facebook and is was immediately removed. It is not a cure it is an assisted preventative for covid-19.

On the matter of the appalling mishandling of the China virus in Victoria, a petition is being circulated demanding that that state be declared a territory, and its administration be taken over the Federal Government. If only!

Dear mhaze,

Back with more from the tinfoil hat brigade I see.

Which of the 4 links would you like me to click? I guarantee it will be full of holes which ever one it is but tell me the one that you consider the most robust, the one which best states your case.

I am busy at the moment but this could be a neat little diversion.

So it works with malaria ? Wasn't it intended to do just that ?

So it can prevent, or delay, the spread of Covid-19 for some people ? Then of course, if this has been tested properly, it should be widespread.

It seems that the anti-HIV vaccine also works for some people to reduce the effects of Covid-19. Maybe all anti-viral drugs work to an extent with some people.

But do you really think that health professionals - especially doctors who are on the front-line, whose colleagues are dying - haven't thought about that, armchair geniuses ?

Oops, I forget, you're so much smarter than them, in their specialised fields. Wow, we're so lucky.

Joe

If this drug is so great - why has the Food and Drug
Administration not endorsed it in the United States.
Why is the American Medical Association not backing it?
Why are only the conservative media sites like "stream.org"
"PJ media" and others the only ones supporting this sh!t?

Fake News!

Anyone watch the Trump documentary on SBS last night?

I'm surprised that mhaze hasn't quoted from Breitbart.

The fact is because Trump endorsed Hydrochloroquine that put the leftist media in opposition to its use. The left media claimed Trump advocated using household disinfectants which showed their intendant misrepresentation, fact is when a person is infected with a disease the answer is to disinfect, does not mean swallow household disinfectant.

However many trials have taken place using these drugs with limited results. http://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine/

Now lets see...

SR rejects the information I put up without ever actually reading it on the basis that if you don't want it to be true, it isn't.

LM and Foxy revert to argument from authority. If the local authorities reject it, that's good enough for them. Saves all that pesky thinking. Of course, there are lots of other authorities who don't reject HCQ but that's different because....reasons.

Foxy also reverts to her favoured shoot the messenger defence of 'I don't like the messenger therefore I reject the message"\'. Of course, the messengers in this case are merely pointing to the data, but for the Foxy's of the world, the data is wrong if the wrong people use it.

Even if these people want to reject some of the sources, I deliberately put a direct link to an actual study in my first post which they also decided to ignore, proving, if proof were needed that they aren't interested in the actual data.

Tell me again folks, how concerned you are to save lives!!

The fact remains that most of the countries with the highest case fatality rates don't use HCQ and most of the countries with the lowest CFR use it.

Dear mhaze,

You charge; “SR rejects the information I put up without ever actually reading it on the basis that if you don't want it to be true, it isn't.”

No, I know that you are normally true to form and any “evidence” you claim to put up will be rubbish, therefore the effort to wade through it all is rarely justified. You haven't quite reached Armchair Critic's level but you are giving it a good shake.

However I'm in a humorous mood so let's dip the toe in anyway.

I am going to choose your third link because it at least mentions the word evidence. Don't come sooking back as you usually do because I did offer the choice to you in the first place.

Well the first quote from an actual virologist was this one:

“Steven Hatfill, a veteran virologist, noted at RealClearPolitics that “There are now 53 studies that show positive results of hydroxychloroquine in COVID infections. There are 14 global studies that show neutral or negative results — and 10 of them were of patients in very late stages of COVID-19, where no antiviral drug can be expected to have much effect.” “

So who is Steven Hatfield?

Well leaving aside the fact he was implicated and later exonerated in an anthrax bio-terrorist act he is quite an interesting character.

So Wikipedia tells us “Hatfill was enlisted as a private in the U.S. Army from 1975 to 1977. (In 1999, he would tell a journalist during an interview that he had been a "captain in the U.S. Special forces", but in a subsequent investigation the Army stated that he had never served with the Special Forces.” 

He did his medical training in Rhodesia where “His claimed military associations during this period included assistance as a medic with the Selous Scouts and membership in the Rhodesian SAS, but according to one journalist[15] the regimental association of the latter is "adamant Hatfill never belonged to the unit".”

Cont...

Cont...

He then continued his training in South Africa where; “Hatfill submitted his PhD thesis for examination to Rhodes in January 1995, but it was failed in November and no degree was ever granted. Hatfill later claimed a Ph.D. degree in "molecular cell biology" from Rhodes, as well as completion of a post-doctoral fellowship (1994–95) at the University of Oxford in England and three master's degrees (in microbial genetics, medical biochemistry, and experimental pathology). Some of these credentials have been questioned. During a later investigation, officials at Rhodes insisted that he had never been awarded a Ph.D. from their institution.”

Do we have a pattern yet?

His own lawyer admitted that Hatfield; "Puffed on his resume. Absolutely. Forged a diploma. Yes, that's true."

So does he have form against medical evidence? Yup.

“In 2014, Hatfill publicly criticized the response of U.S. public health authorities to the Ebola virus epidemic in West Africa and suggested that it is possible that Ebola could be transmitted by aerosol, an assertion which other experts have disputed; ] his views on this have been characterized as misrepresentations of the primary scientific literature by other experts."

So who else do you have for me? I'm not sure where you dig these characters up from but they certainly are entertaining.

The question is why on earth would you expect anyone to believe a word out of this bloke's mouth? You really are living with the fringe dwellers now mate, and it isn't pretty, though it is a laugh.

A few more studies to be ignored:

Iacoviello et al. Early HCQ reduced mortality by 30%

Yu et al ..."Authors suggest that HCQ treatment should be started as soon as possible."

Davido et al .... HCQ+AZ Reduce mortality by 45%.

etc etc

Thanks for checking this bloke out, Steele.

Whatever works, let it be cautiously be tested on a wider scale, or improved if possible. If it has side-effects, put it aside, or fund improvements in it. If it doesn't work as its spruikers claim, or does harm without doing any good, send them the bill for any costs.

Cheers,

Joe

Yes. It is reportedly efficacious in case of malaria, and at least one scientists has discovered malarial elements in the Chinese virus. But as long as people stick to the fiction that the virus is down to bats, not actually made-in-China, the truth will never see the light of day.

This passage from and article by Peter O'Brien is interesting:

" …. hydroxychloroquine ….. is increasingly being shown to be both safe and effective, despite the categorical statement by our CMO Dr Paul Kelly that ‘it doesn’t work' to provide cover for pusillanimous politicians and alarmist scientists to justify their past misjudgements ……".

Amen.

SR,

So the data is wrong because of who reports it? Pretty standard SR there. Hatfill was just a small part of the article I linked. It shows just how desperate you are that that's the best (or worst) you could come up with.

Also just to fill out Hatfill's resume, a few things you missed. Of course I'm not suggesting you deliberately hid these things because they didn't suit your purposes - no SR would never do that....(smile).

Hatfill, while accused by Mueller as part of the FBI probe into the anthrax attacks, was totally exonerated and paid $4million in compensation for false harassment.

He "worked (1997–99) as a civilian researcher at the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID), the U.S. Department of Defense's medical research institute for biological warfare (BW) defense at Fort Detrick, Frederick, Maryland. There he studied, under a National Research Council fellowship, new drug treatments for the Ebola virus and became an authority on BW defense."

"He was appointed an adjunct assistant professor of emergency medicine at the George Washington University Medical Center in 2010."

But none of that really matters. The nature of the messenger isn't the point. The only issue is whether the 53 studies he mentions are valid or not....I assume you won't understand that type of thinking.

Real answer to covid 19 Ivermectin
http://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6179108952001?fbclid=IwAR1_Zw_9RJ835quY-WRj5WnmIRqgU_sLrbz4GpHs6q0lH-PoCQ0CNzmo2qE

Ivermectin treatment is a ‘real killer of coronavirus’: Gastroenterologist Professor Thomas Borody says Ivermectin used in conjunction with two other drugs is making it look like “corona is very simple to kill”

Dear mhaze,

Get your hand off it mate, this was hardly the best I could come up with since I didn't bother seeking anything else.

I picked a link, looked at the credentials of the first 'expert' it mentioned and they were shocking. Who forges a diploma and thinks they will get away with it?

I am not going to trawl through all the rubbish you are vomiting on to the page in defense of your tinfoil hat folk. However I will ask again, is there a study or an expert you are prepared to hang your case on? If there is then please furnish it so I can properly appraise it.

Otherwise back on your box selling coloured pencils my friend.

As to Hatfill working for USAMRIID he lasted less than 2 years before having to become a 'consultant' for a private firm. This firm was looking to secure a CIA contract and Hatfill had to upgrade his low level security clearance but failed the CIA lie detector test over his claimed involvement with the Rhodesian SAS. The company gave him 6 months to sort it out but he couldn't do it was was fired.

Being a very disgruntled former employee is what brought him to the FBI's attention.

Talk about lies catching up to you.

And you continue to defend him? Surely there must be someone else to hold up to support your case, this one is done.

Let me make note of one of SR's quirks. If he starts a post with some data or straight out opinion, you can assume its going to have some substance.

If he starts of with a childish attack eg "Get your hand off it" you can assume he's got nothing of substance, knows he has nothing of substance and just wants to get the childish shots in before it becomes obvious he's got nothing.

The issue here is the data. Almost every second day a new study comes out which shows the HCQ+Z has some level of efficacy against the WuFlu, and/or that it is generally safe. I've already mentioned a few said studies. But there are now dozens out there.

Now none of those studies by themselves is conclusive because, due to the short timeframes involved, they have been relatively small. But over time, a series of small studies becomes convincing.

So what does SR do in reflecting on those studies. Nothing. Not a damn thing. Instead he searches through all those who talk about the studoes, find one chap with a checkered past, distorts that past and declares that the whole thing is a fake. Bozo.

But of course the data never interested SR anyway. He'd already declared it false before he even looked at it.

Dear mhaze,

I wrote;

“I will ask again, is there a study or an expert you are prepared to hang your case on? If there is then please furnish it so I can properly appraise it.”

You didn't. Instead you attempted to excuse yourself with;

“Now none of those studies by themselves is conclusive because, due to the short timeframes involved, they have been relatively small. But over time, a series of small studies becomes convincing.”

Good lord I had forgotten how slippery you were. Okay, how about you flag three studies which best make your case and I will review each.

I will make the point however that the deep scepticism you deploy over Global Warming studies has been completely parked on this issue. Why do you think that is?

Mate again, this is fringe stuff akin to anti-vaxx clap trap, why do you do it?

To date, more than 300 clinical trials in humans are underway around the world to investigate treatments for the virus, with several of these occurring in Australia. Among the most hyped drugs are hydroxychloroquine, an antimalarial that is also used to treat people with painful autoimmune conditions, and lopinavir and ritonavir, both antiretroviral drugs. Antibiotics are also being studied.
The findings come as all patients with COVID-19 being admitted to intensive care at the Royal Brisbane and Women’s hospital in Queensland are being given hydroxychloroquine as part of their treatment.
A separate study, known as Ascot (AustralaSian COVID-19 Trial), is underway in more than 70 Australian hospitals and will test whether lopinavir/ritonavir and hydroxychloroquine, alone or in combination, prevents deterioration of COVID-19 patients. A leader of the Ascot study, Prof David Paterson, said despite the disappointing findings from the US, the Australian study would go ahead. The US study was retrospective and conducted in a relatively small group of patients, whereas the Ascot study is being conducted as a randomised control trial, the strongest type of study and the gold standard for evidence.

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australian-hydroxychloroquine-trials-continue-despite-studies-showing-no-benefit-to-coronavirus-patients/ar-BB13hPJw

A Democratic New York City Councilman says hydroxychloroquine saved his life after a near-fatal run-in with COVID-19 in March.

Paul Vallone, who represents northeast Queens, took the drug along with a standard Z-pack — given for bacterial infections — and came back from the brink almost immediately.

“I couldn’t breathe, very weak, couldn’t get out of bed. My doctor prescribed it. My pharmacy had it. Took it that day and within two to three days I was able to breathe,” Vallone told The Post. “Within a week I was back on my feet.”

http://nypost.com/2020/08/08/nyc-councilman-credits-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-recovery/?fbclid=IwAR0aRvgxt0ReG2a1awJdtJkffCOXABGmv--1WQkYfe0DnzwBCzB_M2izn8A

unfortunately the morality of many democrats majors is such that they would much rather see many more deaths and blame Trump leading up to the election than see lives saves. Not surprising seen many support the support murdering the unborn via planned parenthood ( you know the mob Gates father use to work for). No wonder democrats had no problems sending covid into old people's homes in New York.

'I'm grateful that people like the president, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and so many others have talked about it: Hydroxychloroquine, it may not be the silver bullet to slay COVID, the China virus, the Wuhan virus, but it is a help to so many people," Gohmert added to host Chris Salcedo. "Why would the non-doctors, Google, Twitter, Facebook, try to stop people from getting something that really does help people?'

Rep. Louie Gohmert to Newsmax TV: They Wanted Me to 'Just Die'; HCQ Saved Me

'No lockdown, no masks, no hysteria... NO PROBLEM: Sweden didn't go into a corona coma - and it's living in glorious normality.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8652523/No-lockdown-no-hysteria-DOMINIC-SANDBROOK-asks-Sweden-proof-got-terribly-wrong.html

Oh well, we will continue to destroy lives and mask ourselves like fools.

Runner,

'Destroying lives' ?! Sweden has a vastly worse death-rate than Australia, so what are you on about ? Lunatic.

Joe

I take it Joe that you are taking into account suicides, lost business's, future unemployment and still covid being very present in Australia. You are extremely narrow minded. Then again you are showing more and more that you are incapable of admitting when your narrative is shown to be wrong. No wonder to hold to the irrational evolution myth.

Yes, lets follow Trump's example.
170,000 Americans dead, millions of jobs gone,
their worst impulses unleashed, their proud
reputation around the world badly diminished
and their democratic institutions threatened like
never before. And what Americans do next will echo
through generations to come. Lets also put our own
democracy at stake - just like America.