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Who runs things in Australia ?

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Strange, Runner, that URL is still there ! 'They' haven't censored it.

Yet. But soon ........ surely by tomorrow ?

Jo
Posted by loudmouth2, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 6:04:08 PM
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'Strange, Runner, that URL is still there ! 'They' haven't censored it.'

certainly got rid of many front line doctors who have saved lives using Hydroxychloroquine, but heh proving the President wrong is more important than saving lives Joe. Quite disgraceful but I suppose when everything is conspiracy except Gates and Fauci then its understandable eh Joe.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 6:10:49 PM
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runner,

A couple of things.

1) You've cited from a blog promoting climate
change denial which accommodates beliefs that
are in opposition to scientific consensus on
climate change. With very little cred.

2) Regarding hydroxychloroquine?

The doctors you're referring to are a very small
group and are aligned with the Trump administration
(that doesn't believe in science, doesn't believe in facts).

These doctors are completely compatible with the Trump
White house.

This is the same gorup that has questioned whether HIV
causes AIDS (it does) argued abortion causes cancer
(it does not) linked vaccines to autism (repeatedly debunked)
and even alleged former president Barack Obama used
hypnosis techniques to trick voters, especially Jewish
people, into supporting him (NO).

This group is lobbying on behalf of what they belief to
be right - but invariably medical experts disagree on
their stance on hydroxychloroquine .
The drug has shown mixed results and the dangerous of
potentially life-threatening side-effects of patients.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 6:40:54 PM
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Foxy

'This is the same gorup that has questioned whether HIV
causes AIDS (it does) argued abortion causes cancer
(it does not) linked vaccines to autism (repeatedly debunked)
and even alleged former president Barack Obama used
hypnosis techniques to trick voters, especially Jewish
people, into supporting him (NO).
'

evidence please?
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 7:34:03 PM
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Dear ttbn,

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You answered :

« … I mean no one is running Australia. We are in freefall. The people who are SUPPOSED to be running Australia are not doing so.
The total stuff up of their fumblings with the Chinese virus and their gutless denial of the Chinese threat to Australia, are the standouts of the moment but it is a long time since we have had people who could be respected as leaders and relied upon to do the right thing »
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Thanks for the clarification, ttbn. I appreciate it.

I understand your frustration and deception, but the problem is not that simple. The calibre of our politicians is just part of the equation. Short-term governments have short-term views. Pandemics are long-term menaces.

Every country in the world has a short-term government (between 3 – 5 years). None were prepared for a pandemic of the brutality and severity of COVID 19. Australia was no exception – and we were by no means the worst off in terms of emergency health-care.

As for the Chinese threat, there’s no doubt we are currently sitting on the hot seat between two opposing superpowers on a collision course. China is our largest trading partner and the US the third-largest (after China and Japan). The US is our top foreign investor and China (including Hong Kong) our fifth most important foreign investor (behind the US, UK, Belgium and Japan).

It seems to me that our current government is doing its best to assert Australia’s independence as a sovereign nation, despite our close ties to the US under the ANZUS defence treaty, and continue to maintain the best possible relations with China under the circumstances, while, at the same time, denouncing what we consider to be its “illegal” territorial claims in the Pacific region and resisting the hegemonic pressure it exerts on our domestic policies.

It’s no easy task and requires our comprehension, encouragement and full, resolute support. There is danger in the air.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Thursday, 6 August 2020 12:04:57 AM
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Dear david f.,

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You wrote :

« Nobody from government has consulted you about your ideas, wants and needs. Since Australia has millions of people it would require a vast bureaucracy to contact every citizen about his or her ideas, wants and needs … do you want somebody in government assigned to you to find out your ideas, wants and needs ? »
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That's my point, David. How can anyone – who does not know me, never met me, has no idea what I want or how I want him to vote on each particular project of law – represent me ?

We are 17,231,901 Australians eligible to vote (as at June 2020). We all have the same problem, though only 16,635,280 of us are registered on the electoral roll.

The individuals we elect to parliament are not in a position to represent us. They are legislators acting on behalf of their political parties to which they are accountable. The political parties are, themselves, controlled and manipulated behind the scenes by the economic elite and well-organised special interest groups.

What we have is a hybrid system of democratically elected legislators operating as an oligarchy from which we, the 16,635,280 electors are excluded.

What I am suggesting is that we continue to allow the parliament to handle all the daily run-of-the-mill matters as at present, but that all important pieces of legislation be dealt with by direct democracy via a dedicated, state of the art, electronic communications network.

Modern technology could provide us with the means to vote safely and securely. It could provide us with all the necessary information on the issues we are to vote on as well as videos of debates on the issues by competent specialists. We could also exchange ideas among ourselves on appropriate forums and social media.

All this pleads in favour of our active participation in the important political decisions that affect our lives and the lives of our families, friends and fellow Australians. Voting by direct democracy on issues we consider to be important is technically and economically possible.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Thursday, 6 August 2020 2:53:18 AM
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