Come on Aidan, the ABC are closer to the CCP than to the majority of the Chinese population. Fat lot of good they would do for anyone but a green ratbag.

Hasbeen, maybe you should try actually watching or listening to the ABC occasionally, rather than basing your views of its content on the lies of its enemies!

"the ABC are closer to the CCP than to the majority of the Chinese population" What a load of rubbish Hassy, its people with your attitude that promote war, not the ABC. I understand some part of your career is rooted in militarism as a gung-ho pilot. Is it possible you took part in attacks on innocent men, women and children at some point? That would explain your desire to nuk millions, and kill as many as possible. The greatest single act of mass murder in human history was committed by a military pilot, a Paul Tibbets, in 1945 when he and his crew dropped a nuclear bomb on the city of Hiroshima, Japan.

davif f,

Re your Chamberlain post.

Here's what I wrote to aidan on a similar issue....
Aidan wrote: "That's one possible outcome. Another is that Germany would have immediately gone to war with, and defeated, an unprepared Britain."

Well perhaps. But how would they defeat Britain? Sure Britain was unprepared but then so was Germany.
The German General Staff had already told Hitler that it would take at least 8 weeks to defeat Czechoslovakia and use all of Germany's resources. And that was assuming the Czechs remained isolated. But their worry was that other nations (Poland, Russia, France) would support them and the Germans didn't have the wherewithal to defend that.

Indeed the German High Command had told Hitler they could not go to war over the Sudetenland and had privately discussed overthrowing the government if Hitler tried.

Munich was the best chance the world had to avoid war. Chamberlain fluffed it because he was prepared to pay any price to get peace. As Churchill said "You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour and you will have war."

david f, if what you wrote were true, the UK would have immediately begun re-arming after Munich (Sept 38). But they didn't. Believing they had "peace in our time" they continued to allow the armed forces to deteriorate. It was only after Hitler took the rump Czechoslovakia (March 39) that the blinkers fell off.

Its now been 75 years since there was a shooting war between world superpowers. Sure there's been plenty of smaller proxy wars, but no major war. Whatismore, by any measure, that period has been among the most peaceful in human history.

That period of peace is longer than almost any time in history, even exceeding the post Napoleonic peace.

Truly we live in a golden age in terms of relations between the major powers. We are always on the precipice but never over it.

You want more peace? Get more of the things that have created this era of relative peace:

More Democracy
More capitalism
More economic growth
More individual freedom
More global trade
More inter-connectivity between major economies
More nukes
More mutual assured destruction

Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum ("Therefore let him who desires peace get ready for war.")..Renatus

Dear mhaze,

England did produce the Spitfires in the interval which won the Battle of Britain.

However, according to https://www.toptenz.net/10-times-easily-stopped-hitler-didnt.php

There was a coup planned against Hitler which was stopped because Chamberlain gave in:

“In order to prevent war (and Germany’s destruction), Hitler’s chief of staff, General Franz Halder, planned to stage a coup and remove Hitler from power. At the chosen time, the Berlin head of police was to arrest the entire Nazi leadership, including Hitler, Himmler, Goering, and Goebbels. The plan was to strike at September 14 at 8:00 PM, but on that day, it was announced that the English Prime Minister, Neville Chamberlain, would be flying to Berlin to have a meeting with Der Fuhrer. Halder delayed the coup on the small chance Hitler could bluff Chamberlain into backing down and giving him the Sudetenland.”

There are many whatifs in history. Try this one on for size. If Napoleon had won at Waterloo there would have been no Communist Manifesto.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx

“Prior to his son's birth, and after the abrogation of Jewish emancipation in the Rhineland,[24] Herschel converted from Judaism to join the state Evangelical Church of Prussia, taking on the German forename Heinrich over the Yiddish Herschel.”

The abrogation of Jewish emancipation was a result of Napoleon’s defeat at Waterloo. Napoleon had emancipated the Jews, but with his defeat the emancipation was abrogated. As a result 6 year old Karl became Christian, got a Lutheran education and became a follower of Hegel and a leader of the left Hegelians. Had Karl remained a nice Jewish boy it is unlikely that his life would have taken the course it did.