runner, I was referring to quantifying where the loyalty of Chinese Australians are and will be given current tensions.

IMO, no doubt the west is the best; that is why many want to come here.

In a democracy such as Australia it is important that
we do not question people's integrity or loyalty
based on their political views or policy positions.

Ad hominem attacks that tag people as "useful idiots"
as "communists" are a means to discredit and
delegitimise opposing voices. Using these attacks avoids
the effort of engaging with arguments and evidence.

The question of "loyalty" harms the Chinese communities,
Chinese-Australians, and Chinese International
students. Just as everyone else they are entitled to
exercise their democratic rights, including freedom of
expression.

that is simply wrong Foxy.

Australians would have every right to alter its Chinese intake if evidence shows trends to be worried about.

We also have a right to favour HK Chinese. This would be our choice.

Aidan,

Re the Spitfire. Yes its true they did produce some in 1938/39. I was referring to the new Spitfire production that occurred in the aftermath of the Nazi absorption of rump Czechoslovakia. It was those planes that fought and won the Battle of Britain. Almost all the original proto-type planes had been lost in France and the low countries.

"If you look back over Chinese history the only way the CCP will be ousted is if another state challenges it. "

Well in the long history of China, various dynasties were indeed felled by outside invasion. But equally, a large or larger number were overthrown due to internal revolt as the rulers lost legitimacy.

In other China news, the US has, for the first time, officially taken a stand against the China so-called 9 Dash claims...
http://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/07/for-first-time-ever-us-officially-rejects-chinas-unlawful-south-china-sea-claims/

And China has now sanctioned Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio over their Uighur attacks.

This is all part of the expanding western (really Anglo-sphere) confrontation with China. Morrison's military expansion should be seen in that light.

Dear Chris,

We're not talking about immigration here.

What we're talking about is the questioning of loyalties
of people already here who happen to be Chinese.

We should not question the integrity and loyalty of
people simply because of their ethnicity. This is an
unacceptable way to conduct a debate or discussion.

It may be tempting to categorise people or their views
into "pro-china"or "anti-China" but dividing people into
categories is unhelpful, as it gives the illusion that
everyone allegedly in the same camp is united in a common
view and that people of different camps disagree on
everything.

This is a false belief. For example advocating for more
trade with China may be a pro-trade position, not a pro-
China one. People may equally advocate for trade with
other countries, or they may believe that embargos don't
work as intended. Similarly shedding light on atrocities
committed in Xinjiang may be a pro human rights position,
not an anti-China one. It is possible to hold different
views at once

All that matters regarding Australians of Chinese origins, is to make sure that they do not aid and abet the enemy, then to kick out (or exchange for Australian hostages in China) those who would and quarantine those who might.

Embracing the Australian lifestyle and societal norms, is a useful TEST: anyone who embraces these is very unlikely to help the enemy.

But it must be remembered that it is only a test, not a goal in itself. I, for one, do not pass this test, yet I am committed to help Australia in whatever way I can against the evil Chinese invaders.