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How do we make the world a more peaceful place?

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With violence presently occurring across the planet, which is ongoing and leading to affects on others, including on mental health and of course the tragic loss of life, how can humans make the world a more peaceful place to live?

Any points put here could make a huge difference and add to a more peaceful planet for future generations, so your comments are very important.

But, is making the world a more peaceful place to live achievable? Is it something one can only dream of or think about? What could you or others do to help make a difference?
Posted by NathanJ, Monday, 22 June 2020 2:59:30 PM
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the world would be much more peaceful if we rid ourselves of Marxist media. If not for CNN, New York times, our won abc and left leaning lying professors violence would decrease dramatically.
Posted by runner, Monday, 22 June 2020 3:15:56 PM
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"Any points put here could make a huge difference and add to a more peaceful planet for future generations, so your comments are very important".

I don't see how. Posters have been making points and comments on OLO for years, and they have had no effect on anything. People - not the planet - are becoming less peaceful all the time. We have only just started the downhill run, and there is absolutely nothing a few people banging away on keyboards can do about it. Even our votes are are a waste of time, because of the types of people who want to be politicians. Nothing but a complete catastrophe is going to bring people out of their torpor, and that's still a long way off. It's going to get a lot worse before it starts to get better.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 22 June 2020 3:45:05 PM
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Our liberal democracy is in crisis because of the take up of identity politics and the rejection of its Judeo-Christian heritage, brought about by a “highly educated, cosmopolitan, secularized, morally superior, opinion-making class”. (Paul Kelly). This class sees every issue that arises in terms of ‘victims’ versus ‘oppressors’. And it arrogantly demands that the rest of us change our values to fit their moral order. And, our cowardly political leaders have become impotent. The elites are venting their hatred against the society that gave them their privileges in the first place.

“Liberal democracy (has) lost its …. legitimacy and it has never recovered.” (Historian Mervyn Bendle, who refers to Yeats’ observation that “The best lack all conviction/while the worst are full of passionate intensity”).
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 22 June 2020 4:21:20 PM
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Hi Nathan,

An important element in any peace process is the
international community and its mechanisms for
restraining conflict among its members.

Trade, travel,telecommunications have made the
nations of the modern world more inter dependent
than ever before.

Yet today's societies entered the nuclear age
with political institutions inherited from a
previous era.

Our human population is spread among a series of
sovereign independent states - most of them with
their own armed forces - and so there is a built-in
potential for warfare whenever two nations have
conflicting interests.

We've already got two vital elements for international
peace-making which are in place.

The first is the United Nations, which provides a
forum for world opinion and a mechanism for conflict
resolution.

The second is - a growing body of
international law that specifies the rights and
obligations that nations have toward one another
particularly with respect to aggression.

I believe that these two elements are vital for
international peace-keeping. But of course there
are difficulties.

A major difficulty with international peace making
is that compliance with the resolutions of the UN and the
rulings of its World Court are VOLUNTARY, for no country
is willing to surrender its sovereignty to an
international body.

The UN is most effective in fact, when the superpowers are
able to agree on a course of action and mobilise their blocs
to support them.

Even so, the organization despite its critics does
provide an influential forum for world opinion, and while it
does not always prevent violence or war, it surely helps make
it less likely.

It's not perfect, but at present on a world scale it's all
we've got.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 22 June 2020 4:25:35 PM
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Nathan,

Whether we choose to destropy our civilisation or save it
it is a collective decision - and hopefully one that will
be made within our lifetimes.

If more and more nuclear weapons are built and if more
and more sophisticated means of delivering them are
devised, and if more and more nations get control of these
vile devices, then we surely risk our own destruction.

If ways are found to reverse that process, then we can
divert unprecedented energy and resources to the real
problems facing us, including poverty, disease,
overpopulation, injustice, oppression, and the destruction
of our natural environment.

We need to put pressure on the governments we elect to
make sure that their ultimate choice and actions will be
to enhance the life on the bright and lovely planet on which
billions of us share our adventure. Therefore who we vote for
and elect, and their policies will make a world of
difference not only to us in this country but to all of
us on this planet. Electing the right leaders, the right
ministers - does matter in these very vulnerable times.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 22 June 2020 4:49:24 PM
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We can make the World a better place by weeding out Leftist indoctrination !
Posted by individual, Monday, 22 June 2020 6:05:53 PM
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Foxy,

How can it be a collective decision?

You know as well as I do that the State exercises power and authority over the use of violence and the only way that Society can acquire that power and authority is by way of a revolution.

Or are you advocating a revolution in order to save civilisation from the machinations of the State?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Monday, 22 June 2020 6:31:41 PM
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machinations of the State?
Mr Opinion,
It's merely the stupidity of the Left that brings this on !
Posted by individual, Monday, 22 June 2020 6:42:20 PM
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Mr O,

Ultimately, the prospects for peace depend on the
collective action of ordinary people. This may seem
paradoxical at first, for individuals often feel
powerless in the face of distant governments and
mighty arsenals. Yet if sociology has a central lesson,
it is that societies, together with all the social
institutions and social behaviour they contain are
continuously created and re-created by the acts of
countless individuals, whether these individuals
realize their role in the grand sweep of history or
not.

If a modern society goes to war, it is not just
because the leaders have opted for war, but because
the people have implicitly or explicitly done so also -
or at least, they have not opted for peace.

Therefore it is important for the public to actually
place informal unspoken restraints on the ability of
our leaders to wage war. For example, a country that
has tactical nuclear weapons should make it quite
clear that these not be used in local conflicta.

For example the United States has not employed these
devices in the Korean and Vietnam wars - primarily because
such a resort would have been unacceptable and immoral to
the American people.

Similar restraints operate in other countries, although they
are felt most strongly in democracies.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 22 June 2020 6:51:46 PM
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Just ask the citizens of Stuttgart in Germany after yesterday's rampage by so-called refugees from islamic countries !
Posted by individual, Monday, 22 June 2020 7:02:31 PM
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<<"Any points put here could make a huge difference and add to a more peaceful planet for future generations, so your comments are very important".

I don't see how.>>

I do, ttbn, because your comments may inspire others to take action and make positive change.

It's something at least worth considering when typing on this site and I believe, you, ttbn are up to the challenge!
Posted by NathanJ, Monday, 22 June 2020 7:36:52 PM
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Nathan,

Full marks for faith, but nobody who might be capable of making the world a better place is going to take notice of anything I say, even if they knew about it. OLO is just a place where people can sound off, express their opinions. There are public figures out there who would like to see the same things happen that you want to happen; they've been trying for years to make them happen, but there are not enough of them. The real world is not a particularly nice place, or at least too many of its occupants are not nice, and they are getting worse. All that most of us can do is try to live a good life and do no harm; help those we can, and hope for the best, but prepare for the worst
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 22 June 2020 8:29:59 PM
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individual,
Where did you get the idea that the rioters in Stuttgart were (or were claiming to be) refugees from Islamic countries?

The BBC report at http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53126464 gives a completely different impression.
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 22 June 2020 9:42:06 PM
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if people who were on the public purse (including students) or welfare were banned from Australia's blm prostests their would of been next to no one on the streets spreading covid.
Posted by runner, Monday, 22 June 2020 9:48:02 PM
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the rioters in Stuttgart were (or were claiming to be) refugees from Islamic countries?
Aidan,
That's what the German Police Officer said !
Posted by individual, Monday, 22 June 2020 10:45:00 PM
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Dear Nathan,

Peace without can only come from peace within.

If you can maintain your inner peace, then no matter what happens in the world, you will experience profound and permanent peace, so nothing can disturb you. The top of the sea could be wavy and stormy, but if you dive beneath those waves, you enter undisturbed, calm, stable waters.

People have tried for ages to create peace on the external, objective level and some well-meaning participants here just made similar suggestions as well, but this can only change very little because it goes against nature, because the age we live in now and for the next 426,879 years, is not a peaceful one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga).

There used to be the "New Age" movement, which believed that the bitter age in which we live is about to end, or can be ended if only we do this or that. You may recall how some called the coming new age, "The Age of Aquarius". You CAN, personally, live in the Age of Aquarius by diving within, under the turbulent waters. However, you will not be able to carry the masses with you.

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, in answering your very question, tried, but failed. He envisioned the necessary technology to turn the age, but despite all his monumental efforts he was unable to amass the numbers of people he needed, because peace in our times was not destined to be.

Here is his answer your question:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKwgKyGTfM4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwTPEwVWFlI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3Y4_--9s6g
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 12:20:01 AM
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individual,
Which German police officer?
Said to whom?
Posted by Aidan, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 1:55:38 AM
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To Nathan.

There are two fields of focus that can be approached when it comes to peace. Looking at your local nation, and looking at the international world as a whole. What it means for peace in each would be a different action. However I think there is an approach that can help in both local and international actions.

Love your neighbor.

On a national level, if people love their neighbors they will look out for their wellbeing. Racism, sexism, discrimination can be looked at with the view of what solutions are out there. As can issues of poverty, and helping those who are sick, injured and have medical costs that they can't afford.

Love isn't a solution in itself, but it at least will mean you want the best for your neighbor, and will look for solutions. It also means that regardless of the solutions, you will come together as a community. Share in each other's joys, and share the burden of each other's sorrows. Even without long lasting solutions, or the wisdom to dist angle easy issue, loving your neighbor is a solid step to having peace.

On an international level, the same concept applies, to love your neighbor, but this changes what we can do. You can't be a community as easily internationally. A poor country that you know is suffering can use donations, can use infrastructure, and can use the knowledge that they have the support from their neighboring nations. However the money donated can be fed into the problem, as is the case in many countries that hold the poverty of their nations to ask for charity, but then never spend the donations on the intended people or their projects to assist them. (Or they do spend the donations where they are intended, only after a heavy cut of the wealth goes into the pockets of the leaders).

(Continued)
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 3:44:10 AM
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(Continued)

Again this approach won't solve the issues, but it is a starting point for peace, and can help people to look for solutions that might make a difference.

So that is the first point of consideration in my opinion. You can't have peace unless you are actually concerned for the other person's well being. Without a sense of some level of brotherly love, what you have is anything and everything else. From jealous envy of what the others have or special attention they get, to the habitual ignoring of others so you don't have to see the problem in every city, and in the streets everywhere.

Even if you don't have a solution to help homelessness or drug addiction that is rampant in those who are homeless, if you actually are concerned for them it's at least a start. You see the problem and will try to be there with them through it (as much as your able to anyways) and bring peace to a small degree to their situations.

Even if you don't have a solution for racism, sexism, domestic abuse, or any other known problem in every city throughout the world, if you are concerned for them that is a start for peace, and motivation for people to look for solutions to help them individually out of the problems they can't get out of themselves.

On an international level love your neighbor gets complicated, because the risk is greater. Love your neighbor who's homeless and addicted to drugs might put our own life in danger, but that's only your life. Try the same to an angry country who wants to trick and dominate the world into submission, and you risk not just your life, but risk you're whole country to get involved with them.

(Continued)
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 3:47:20 AM
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(Continued)

The question from there is is peace worth the cost? Is it worth the risk? For those being helped I'm sure the answer is a grateful yes. For everyone else it's hard to get past the risk and find a brotherly love towards those you deem as a risk, or those you deem unworthy.

Peace starts with loving your neighbor.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 3:48:03 AM
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Which German police officer?
Aidan,
The one that was giving the interview on World TV.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 7:28:36 AM
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The world is a collection of countries. Countries are a collection of people. To make the world a more peaceful place we have to start with the individual person and try for more tolerance of others. For all our supposed enlightenment, we have become a very intolerant society.
People’s personal beliefs are now judged by a noisy minority and if those beliefs don't fit the current obsession with identity then those people are deemed unworthy. Their different beliefs are not tolerated, they are hounded and labelled with whatever name is currently in vogue. Racist, bigot, homophobe, misogynist, misandrist, Marxist, religious fanatic. There is a label for everyone who doesn’t actively endorse whatever minority section of the community fits into identity politics. Tolerance of those minority groups is no longer enough, today everyone is expected to somehow change their inner beliefs and embrace that which they previously couldn’t. Unfortunately this just forces their true feelings into hiding, causing more resentment and actually destroying tolerance.
For communities to become more peaceful we have to stop trying to force people to change their innate feelings and beliefs and learn to accept that everyone has a right to their own beliefs. We need to become more tolerant.
So long as every member of society has equal legal rights, then we should all develop acceptance of the diversity of beliefs that exist within any normal society.
Posted by Big Nana, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 9:33:35 AM
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the inconvenient truth is that wherever judeo-christian ethics were adopted it produced the most peaceful societies in history. Ever since the godless secularist infiltrated and took over we have become more and more violent as a society with race/identity politics used as an excuse to justify their violent grab for power. Without God their is absolutely no peace just a self righteous virtue signalling led by totally corrupted creatures.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 9:53:36 AM
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Runner it is markst to say what you said in your first post, what world do you live in.
Posted by Riely, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 10:48:05 AM
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Multiple studies over the past 20 years have shown that we in fact live in the most peaceful period in human history. The percentage of people who die in wars in the last 50 years is the lowest ever.

So how do we become even more peaceful? Continue doing what we've been doing for the past half-century:

More prosperity
More equality
Less poverty
More democracy
More international trade
More 'mutually assured destruction'
Fewer nations ruled by millenarian ideology

I know a lot of this will be counter-intuitive for many, but that is indeed the way to go. Whatismore, this downward trend in the levels of violent deaths has been occurring basically since humans gave up hunter-gather society and became farmers. Again, counter-intuitive for many.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 11:25:01 AM
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Two more idiotic whines this morning from the people out to ensure that the world will never be more peaceful are the calls from people purporting to support blackfellas - Coon cheese is apparently racist, even though it was named after the an actual Dr. Coon, and the Colonial Brewery is said to be rubbing certain people's faces in the fact of 200 years of colonialism in Australia. Try working on the peace problem while such lunatics are mouthing off!
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 11:30:33 AM
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Big Nana,

Yes, there are probably no two people on earth who agree totally with one another, certainly not here ol OLO. That's how it is, and that's how it's going to be forever.

As long as people treat each other civilly, and tolerate differences of opinion, then there's a chance that we can all get along - either that, or keep away from each other. But trying to shoehorn people's views according to some tightly approved script will never work.

Once we can get that through our heads, and come to advocate a toleration of diversity of views, we can maybe get on the road towards civility.

It might pay to revisit Isaiah Berlin's notions of positive and negative liberty: 'positive liberty' leads on, in my view, through socialism, to fascism. 'Negative liberty' leads, through disagreement and conflict, to arm's length respect for each other's views - i.e. everybody should have the same rights and freedoms, provided they do no harm to anybody. Karl Popper touched on a similar distinction in his work on Closed and Open Societies. Well worth reading up on.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 11:40:08 AM
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three white men stabbed to death in England by muslim in unprovoked attack. Nothing new and almost not making the news these days. London muslim mayor basically said you just need to live with it. One black man killed by cops in US and regressive media promote violence and push white guilt for weeks. Plane flies over English football game saying white lives matter. Media again goes ballistic , not at the muslim murderer but at those who claimed white lives matters. Cowards at the football club apologise. No apologise from muslims. Shows you why we won't be having peace anytime soon with secular Marxist creating such a toxic environment.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 11:46:35 AM
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Talking of peace....

With just a few months to go, Trump may well be the first president since Eisenhower to go a full term without starting a new war or invading another country.

Not bad for a warmonger!!
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 12:06:27 PM
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But how many Americans have died due to his
non response to the Corona-virus?

Not good for a leader.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 12:10:24 PM
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We have Marxist Black lives Matter and antifa claiming no progress is made without violence. The founders of Both these organisation are violent and destructive of Western culture and values. Western society is based on do to your neighbour as you want for yourself. Care and forgive your enemy, while we have anger continuing from the ancient past and intention to hurt an offender. The only way is to reeducate on a different set of values, that has been thrown out as old thinking.
Posted by Josephus, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 12:19:33 PM
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Foxy,

Oh dear!

http://media.tumblr.com/a1410ebd52c0b74399000d70205f0379/tumblr_inline_mgtttkMdQa1qfe5t2.png
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 2:39:01 PM
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At the point of a gun directed at all those; individuals, groups, Religious communities, ethnicities and nations, that would seek to do us harm. Shoot first, accurately and often. It's 'might' that stops our enemies from any further aggression, not diplomacy. That only delays the inevitable.

I'm an ex-police officer with over 32 years experience; and a former war veteran. And I'm utterly convinced this is the only way, the world will ever have everlasting peace. Think about.
Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 3:03:00 PM
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o sung woo, I'm surprised to hear that coming from you!
Isn't the war you fought in the one where neither side would have bothered fighting had they known their opponents' true intentions?
Posted by Aidan, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 3:11:44 PM
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yep the type of people the regressives defend and use to push their Marxist causes. The man muslim who murdered 3 whites in England with a knife had previously spat in a Policewoman's face. Yep he would fit in very well with the Marxist blm protestors. A victim of course! You know the type O sung wu. Problem is our education system and uni's are producing them on mass.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 4:06:01 PM
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yep, tensions in world are all down to marxists, academics, lesbians and gays, and the ABC and their counterparts around the world.

How do I know, because posters on OLO told me so.
Posted by Chris Lewis, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 4:21:08 PM
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Dear Chris,

As long as people continue to blame somebody else,
they don't have to look at themselves.

Communication is key.

That's what we all should be doing - talking.

That's probably why we invented all those social
media forums.

But each one that gets invented soon gets taken down
because of stupid people
talking absolute nonsense.

At least on this forum - you get a wide choice of diverse
opinions - which is why people do stay.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 4:36:11 PM
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Foxy,
America is a group of States, and it was the Democratic States that was hit most by the Wuhan virus, covid-19. Trump does not control the individual States, how about blame State leaders.
Posted by Josephus, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 5:54:28 PM
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Josephus,

The President is both the head of state and the head
of government of the United States, and Commander of
the armed forces. He is responsible for the execution
and enforcement of the laws created by Congress.

Also don't forget when the President declares a national
emergency - he's in control.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 6:20:49 PM
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Josephus,

And now ? Which states are experiencing rapid rises in the number of Covid-19 cases ? Red or blue ?

As far as I can tell, they almost all seem to be red states, i.e. pro-Trump, apart from California, Hawaii and Delaware:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html?action=click&pgtype=Article&state=default&module=styln-coronavirus-national&variant=show&region=TOP_BANNER&context=storylines_menu

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 6:24:18 PM
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I've just found a lovely prayer from Marianne Williamson
in her book, "Illuminata", that even though some of
you may not be religious - I think the prayer can speak
to us all and is appropriate to share in this
discussion. It's a - "Prayer For The World".

Dear God,

We pray for this our world.
We ask that You remove the walls that separate
us and the chains that hold us down.

Use us to create a new world on earth, one that
reflects Your will. Your vision. Your peace.
In this moment, we recognize the power You
have given us to create anew the world we want.

Today's world, dear Lord, but reflects our past
confusion.
Now, in this moment, we ask for a new light.
Illuminate our minds.
Use us, dear Lord, as never before, as part of a
great and mighty plan for the healing of this world.

May we no longer be at war with each other.
May we no longer be at war within ourselves.
Let us forgive this century and every other, the
evils of history, the pain of our common fears.

Remove from our hearts the illusion that we are separate.
May every nation and every people and every colour and
every religion find at last the one heartbeat we share.
Through You, our common Father/Mother and the redeemer
of our broken dreams.

May we not hold on to yesterday.
May we not obscure Your vision of tomorrow
but rather may You flood our hearts.
Flow through us, work through us, that in our lives we
might see the illuminated world.

Create, sustain that world on earth, dear God,
for us and for our children.
Hallelujah, at the thought.
Praise God, the possibility that such a thing
could come to be, through You, through Your light
that shines within us.

So may it be.
So may it be.
We thank You, Lord.
Amen.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 8:41:04 PM
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How do I know, because posters on OLO told me so.
Chris lewis,
Even more compelling is the evidence we witness daily in the daily decline of our society due to Leftist indoctrination !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 9:56:41 PM
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Thank you, Foxy :). Beautiful !
Posted by loudmouth2, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 10:23:25 PM
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Hi there AIDEN & RUNNER...

Vietnam was my blue AIDEN. A war, we and yanks could've won easily. We were defeated in Washington DC, Times Square, NYC, and Martin Place, Sydney. It was the power of the 'Left' and their millions of cohorts, that ultimately defeated us. And the Pollies went weak at the knees and betrayed us all, those of us at the sharp end of the war. Leaving us to be repatriated back home, and arriving back to an orchestrated climate of derision and hatred, for having the temerity to fight over there against the wishes of the Left.

RUNNER, I agree with everything you've said. Whenever the Left becomes involved, only anarchy will occur. You want peace to prevail, then it's only achievable at the point of a large friggin' gun.
Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 10:34:15 PM
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Dear O Sung Wu,

Are you all right?

You don't sound like your usual self.

Did something happen?

We miss your postings very much and worry about you.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 11:05:27 PM
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Hi there FOXY...

I get quite upset when people speak of South Vietnam. If they were there okay, they've got every right to say what they want, but not otherwise, too many men never came home, they perished in the steamy f**kin' jungles over the, with every imaginal heat rash affecting every part of our bodies, even some of our gear rotted away with the heat and humidity. That's all Foxy, I've said my bit, thanks to you. Take care, dear lady, you're one in a million, a diamond in the rough.
Posted by o sung wu, Wednesday, 24 June 2020 1:04:09 AM
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"Also don't forget when the President declares a national
emergency - he's in control."

Oh dear...what do you say to someone with claims of a special understanding of the US constitution but who shows an utter and fundamental misunderstanding of the separation of powers....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/national-lockdown-quarantine-president-powers/
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 24 June 2020 8:03:59 AM
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Vietnam, was a proxy war fought between two opposing ideologies. The Soviet Union had the good sense not to become directly involved, the Americans and their allies unfortunately not so, believing a military victory was possible against a rag tag force of Vietnamese nationalists, regulars and citizens soldiers. On paper the worlds most powerful army should have easily defeated the poorly equipped Vietnamese forces. To claim defeat was simply the work of the left back home is untrue. The Americans were limited, firstly by world opinion, and then by themselves not wishing to escalate the war into a direct confrontation with the Soviet Union. At first public opinion in America, as it was in Australia, was swayed by propaganda that the war was justified and being waged in defence of freedom and democracy, like all previous and subsequent American wars of aggression, our involvement was supported by the majority of the general public. What turned public opinion against the war, more so than agitation from the domestic left was TV coverage of failures on our part, and a rising death toll with no end in sight, plus the use of unpopular conscription to force unwilling young boys to participate in an ever increasingly failing war.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 24 June 2020 8:40:10 AM
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o sung wu,

Spot on with Vietnam. It is a ridiculous that a country like America did not prevail, but it didn't because of the white-anting you refer to; and incompetent, panty waist presidents. The results would have been much different had Donald Trump been around at the time. Vietnam marked the weakening of the US. It hasn't recovered, thanks to the lefty presidents since.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 24 June 2020 9:47:55 AM
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Joe, Why have you posted a report of corona-19 virus in USA state by State if the President is responsible. Would it not make the Governors of States the responsible person of the State shown. Do we make Scott Morrison responsible for what has happened in Victoria?

Until we make people aware they have a problem to deal with within themselves, and not the other. The World will never be at peace. Forgiveness to some is a sign of weakness, but it is the only answer to a hating world.
Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 24 June 2020 10:20:04 AM
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Dear O Sung Wu,

I can understand how you feel.

We had several family members who served in Vietnam.
One refuses to talk about his experience even today.
The other had a total mental breakdown.

Also the way the Vietnam veterans were treated when
they came back - was dreadful. It took a long time
for them to get the recognition that they justly
deserved.

You take care
And stay safe
And remember - you're very highly regarded on this forum.
We care about you.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 24 June 2020 10:41:21 AM
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mhaze,

President Trump declared a national emergency on March
13th.

He declared that his authority as president during a
national emergency "is total", his right hand man Mike
Pence supported him in strong terms.

"Well make no mistake about it," the former Indiana
Governor and current vice-president said, "in the long-
history of this country, the authority of the President
of the US during national emergencies is plenary (absolute)".

Trump said, "When somebody's President of the US, the
authority is total". "And that's the way it's got to be.
It's total. It's total. And the governors know that".

Now what do you say to someone like - who thinks
they have an understanding of so many things - I'll
leave up to you.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 24 June 2020 11:30:25 AM
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Foxy, who has spent four years disbelieving every word from Trump, suddenly decides he's a constitutional expert!!

Yes Trump said that. But he said it as a politician trying to get others to come along with his chosen path.

And what, Foxy, did the state governors say? Basically they all said that these issues were their's to make, and they ignored Trump. That's why the US had 50+ different responses to the crisis.

Some were good (eg South Dakota) some were disastrous (eg New York). But they were decisions made by the states, not Trump and not Congress.

Now if you were curious as to which states made the right calls and which the wrong, all you have to do is look at the bracketed letter after the governor's name...(R) generally means the decisions were good; (D) generally means lives were lost.
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 24 June 2020 1:09:27 PM
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mhaze,

No. Foxy does not think the US President is a
constitutional expert.

However, the National Emergencies Act (NEA) does
empower the President to activate special
powers during a crisis but imposes procedural
formalities when invoking such powers. Powers
available under this Act are limited to the 136
emergency powers Congress has defined by law.

You might want to look into them.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 24 June 2020 4:48:32 PM
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Its really very simple Foxy...

did the various states make their own lockdown decisions? If you answer 'yes', then clearly they had the powers to make those decisions and Trump didn't. Therefore Trump isn't responsible for the outcome.

If you answer 'no' then clearly you have no understanding of what actually happened.

Oh and by the way just to get back to the topic at hand despite your tangential TDS excursions...

"Talking of peace....

With just a few months to go, Trump may well be the first president since Eisenhower to go a full term without starting a new war or invading another country."
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 24 June 2020 6:02:30 PM
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mhaze,

I really don't want to discuss anything further
with you.

You're an idiot.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 24 June 2020 6:47:42 PM
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mhaze,

You seem to have forgotten the fact that Trump's
continued the US's war against Islamic State,
including overseeing the death of its leader -
Abu Bakr al-Baghdad in Oct. 2019. Trump also
ordered the raid on Yakla without any input from
the State Department. Then there's his strikes on
Syria, and much more.

You talk about my Trump Derangement Syndrome?

What about your Trump Obsession Syndrome?

Pot kettle - black.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 24 June 2020 7:16:39 PM
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What about your Trump Obsession Syndrome?

What a stupid thing to say for anyone !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 24 June 2020 11:34:34 PM
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Hi Foxy,

With the US death toll passing 124,000 from Covid-19, mhaze and other Trumpsters are desperately looking to shift any blame away from their beloved Donald onto the lesser US functionaries, China, the WHO, anyone but The Donald. I recall three months ago mhaze, like The Donald himself took a blase' attitude to the virus, it was nothing but the flu, it would be over by Easter, then it was heard immunity will kick in, problem solved. There were the wacky suggestions of course from The Donald, a dose of diso or a strong light up the arse will do the trick, take a totally unproven malaria drug, don't wear a mask, get out there and mingle, now its less testing, less cases, less deaths, problem solved, vote for THE DONALD!

mehaz, Indy, and the other Forum Old Farts, you stick with THE DONALD, he's your kinda guy!
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 25 June 2020 6:37:03 AM
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Good Morning Paul,

More than 38,600 new infections were reported
surpassing records set in April. It is very
concerning. Republicans criticize President
Trump's decision to end funding for 13 COVID -19
testing sites.

How is this man being allowed to get away with this
behaviour? In Australia we'd have kicked him out long
ago.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 25 June 2020 10:55:52 AM
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The wackos in Victoria have recommenced panic buying because of new cases of China virus. You really cannot expect galahs like that be concerned about a more peaceful world.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 25 June 2020 1:27:27 PM
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Your concern speaks for itself and is
admirable.

Kudos!
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 25 June 2020 1:57:52 PM
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Amazing how the Forums Trumpsters are now clambering to distance Dangerous Doctor Donald from his responsibility for the total cock-up he made of the US Cornonavirus response. Trying to deflect blame onto Democratic Party State Governors, these guys now conveniently forget two of the worse affected states Florida and Texas are run by Trumpsters governors.

Several of the 'Usual Suspects' on the Forum have been shown, like their hero Dangerous Doctor Donald to have been complete blind sided and way off the mark with their virus prognostications.

BTW; just as Daffy Duck makes Bugs Bunny look good. Donald Trump makes Joe Biden look like a super star! Ahhhhhhhhhhh!
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 25 June 2020 3:01:59 PM
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Let's start with Paul first...

Paul just wants to blame Trump and doesn't really care if his facts are true or even valid. He just makes assertions and then convinces himself they are true. But I've noticed that every time I mention that the real culprit in the US is New York and its idiot governor/mayor, that the US figures other than NY are pretty good, Paul suddenly realises he urgently needs to be somewhere else. He doesn't have the wherewithal to handle unwanted data.

So here's some more...Paul wrote.."these guys now conveniently forget two of the worse affected states Florida and Texas are run by Trumpsters governors."
Two of the worst affected states?? let's check:

Florida - with a population bigger than NY it has 1/10th the deaths. NY deaths per million - 1611, Florida deaths per million 153. That puts Florida as number 26 in state's death rates - ie the lower half.

Texas- with a population 50% bigger than NY it has 1/8th the deaths. NY deaths per million - 1611, Texas deaths per million 79. That puts Florida as number 40 (out of 50) in state's death rates - ie the lower quintile.

Now we all know mere facts are the least of Paul's concerns, that he just makes things up to suit what he wants to be true.

But that's a dooooooozy.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 25 June 2020 4:15:56 PM
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There's a new report in the WSJ (paywalled, but here's the link if you can see it) http://www.wsj.com/articles/news-from-the-non-lockdown-states-11592954700?

The report will be very confusing for Foxy who thinks that the whole of the USA handled the crisis as per Trump's instructions, whereas the report looks at the DIFFERENT responses in each state. That sound you hear is Foxy's head exploding at such news.

The report talks about 8 states that didn't lockdown: North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Wyoming and Utah.

Those states had fatalities 75% lower than the lockdown states. Additionally,their employment levels fell half as much as in the lockdown states.

It also be noted that death rates in states with Republican governors are at rates less than half that of those states run by Democrats
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 25 June 2020 4:31:01 PM
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Foxy wrote:"I really don't want to discuss anything further
with you."

Let me translate...this is Foxy's way of saying that I'm right but that there's no chance in hell she'll admit it.

"You seem to have forgotten the fact that Trump's
continued the US's war against Islamic State,....."

I've forgotten nothing. I said he hadn't started any new wars. Of course Trump continued fighting the wars left to him by the Obamessiah, but even those he's toned down.

But standard Foxy there. When you can't argue the point, change it.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 25 June 2020 4:36:21 PM
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mhaze, you have to be desperate to make comparisons between one of the worst locations in the World for the virus, New York City and anywhere. New York is worst for the virus than any stand alone country including Briton, run by a Mini Me version of The Donald, in the form of Bug Ridden Boris. I see no substantive difference between the two major US political parties. The political system over there is a monster with two heads, nothing less. Am I concerned if The Donald gets re-elected, no way, in fact as a political clown he's good value, the other bloke seems as boring as bat sh!t.

But don't try to excuse The Donald for his total incompetence.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 25 June 2020 5:13:40 PM
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In Australia we'd have kicked him out long
ago.
Foxy,
And, what would you do with those protesters & Looters who spread COVID-19 willy nilly without regard for others recently ?
I'd hazard a guess that it was them who made it worse than it otherwise would have been !
Just look at the situation here in Australia. Every State is dow except, you guessed right, Victoria where, guess again, they had the protests too !
I suppose you blame Morrison for spreading the virus in Vuctoria, not the moron protesters !
Posted by individual, Thursday, 25 June 2020 5:22:56 PM
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Standard mhaze!

When caught out - deny, deny, deny or blame
someone else. Pathetic. And I was right he is
an idiot!

Dear Paul,

This R-Sol frankly has no idea of the immensity of
my don't give a fk as far as his opinions are
concerned!
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 25 June 2020 5:24:36 PM
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Individual,

I have made my position quite clear on the discussion
that I started on the defacement of statues.

It's one thing to protest peacefully - and quite
another to deface, destroy, or steal. That should
not be tolerated. Neither should breaking the law.

As for my blaming Mr Morrison for spreading the virus?

What an odd thing for you to say when I have stated
all along that I am glad I live in Australia because of
the actions Mr Morrison and his government have taken.

Are you running out of topics to bring to discussions?

BTW: Victoria is responding very effectively to the new
cases and none of the cases in the past week have been
acquired at a rally.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 25 June 2020 6:39:28 PM
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Hi Foxy,

This feigned concerned by some for the deaths of thousands due to cornavirus is pathetic. Their real concern is more about the loss of profits, not people. References to old people indicates that, as the elderly are seen as a liability and no longer of value.

I've read much on WWI, a favourite subject. Years back I read where a British industrialist was perturbed at the signing of an armistice in 1918. He had calculated that the cost to Capital for the death of each British solider was only 16 pounds, but the return on investment was a whopping 600 pounds. As the cost of the war was being carried by the general public through government borrowings. He reasoned that public opinion would have sustained the war until around 1922/23. To him peace in 1918 was a sad day indeed.

BTW; the industrialist was not in the trenches, he was safe back in London. Is there any similarities with today, there is big profits to be made in war, not so with pandemics, unless you are the discover of a vaccine of course.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 26 June 2020 7:30:01 AM
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Paul asserts ( a claim without evidence) that " two of the worse affected states [are] Florida and Texas".

I point out that's utter bollocks.

Paul's response? Crickets.....oh and then more moronic claims.

And poor old Foxy is now so thoroughly exposed as evidence free and evidence averse that she descends to the ad hom as her main (actually her only) argument.

"I always think its a sign of victory when they move on the ad hominem" Christopher Hitchens.

There's nothing to be be learned from these people.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 26 June 2020 11:40:18 AM
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THAT'S NOT AN

AD HOMINEM

YOU IDIOT
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 26 June 2020 11:49:22 AM
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"With violence presently occurring across the planet, which is ongoing and leading to affects on others, including on mental health and of course the tragic loss of life, how can humans make the world a more peaceful place to live?"

I'm not sure we can, we've settled for a system that thinks its ok to lie to and manipulate the general public and it does so unchallenged with the help of the media.

Issue in question: Wearing of face masks during COVID-19

They told us not to buy them.
they told us they wouldn't make any difference.
They told us we don't know how to wear them.

Now their big lie has been exposed.
http://www.3aw.com.au/melburnians-urged-to-wear-face-masks-as-covid-19-cases-climb/

QUOTE>>Professor of epidemiology at the University of NSW, Marylouise McLaws, said cases are likely to continue to rise if extra precautions aren’t taken in coronavirus hot spots.
She said health workers need to be extra cautious.
“If the prevalence of infection is high then you should be considering wearing some sort of face shield or face mask,” she told Neil Mitchell.
“GPs should be wearing a face shields, particularly in the areas that are hot spots at the moment.
“If you’re a healthcare worker working across facilities that’s when … risk goes up.”
Professor McLaws said the general community should also consider wearing face coverings.
“Those in Melbourne, when you get on public transport wear a face mask. When you’re walking around the roads wear a face mask, particularly also in shopping malls,” she said.<<

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2020/06/dr-fauci-made-the-coronavirus-pandemic-worse-by-lying-about-masks/
“Well, the reason for that is that we were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N-95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply,” Fauci said. “And we wanted to make sure that the people, namely the health care workers, who were brave enough to put themselves in a harm way, to take care of people who you know were infected with the coronavirus and the danger of them getting infected.”
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 26 June 2020 1:16:37 PM
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[Cont.]
The problem is they lied.
It doesn't matter that they lied for a good reason.
The fact remains it's now known that our government will lie to you and put your health at risk if it feels there's a good enough reason.

You ask how to make the world a better place.

Stop governments colluding with the media.
They lied, where were the journalists?

- Do they exist? -

I keep telling you all that 90% of the news is propaganda.

This episode demonstrates that the people really don't have any voice, or any journalists who will speak the truth;
And the people don't have the ability to call out lies by government or hold them accountable when the media supports them.

We don't have the ability to do anything.
Even protests aren't really allowed from the right.
Only permitted protests from paid political insurgency groups creating violence and willful damage under the cover of peaceful protest that the elites of this world support.

And the people are too dump to do anything except display a peer pressure group mindset that is manipulated and pre-decided for them.
they support what they're told to support.
And oppose what they're told to oppose.
They certainly can't think for themselves and even if they do it won't get far.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 26 June 2020 1:28:43 PM
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Dr. Fauci Admits He LIED About Mask Safety!
http://youtu.be/Cq8iQ65p9B0

How can we trust our own government when they are willfully engaging in fake news themselves?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 26 June 2020 2:30:47 PM
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Only ever One man's Word you could ever fully trust. Nothing has changed. His truth is timeless. The left liberal media lie day after day and I suspect God has handed them over to believe their own lies. One wonders how they can they receive their fat pay checks without blushing.
Posted by runner, Friday, 26 June 2020 3:28:55 PM
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runner,

If you really believe that His truth is timeless
then you should obey His teachings and truth.
"Judge not..."
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 26 June 2020 3:42:19 PM
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"Judge not..."

Let's leave Brian out of this...

http://youtu.be/Yu_PWm2zgbg?t=16
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 26 June 2020 3:51:01 PM
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mhaze,

Welcome back!(smile)

That's more like it!
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 26 June 2020 3:58:40 PM
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mhaze, you want evidence of the unfolding catastrophe in both Florida and Texas. Both active cases and serious hospitalisation are growing exponentially in both states, with their respective death tolls rising rapidly. You can go online and find all the stats to verify what I say, but I don't expect you to agree. Both states are controlled by Donald clones, so monkey see, monkey do, that's what these guys are, Trumps moneys.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 26 June 2020 3:59:33 PM
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Paul,

I've been trying to keep track of the number of US states where the daily number of cases was rising, steady or falling, since mid-May.

Back on May 18, there were eight states where the daily number of cases was rising, but nineteen where it was falling. By early June (6.6), the numbers were 21 rising and 14 falling.

Yesterday, the numbers were twenty nine rising, twelve steady and only twelve falling.

The US is in a lot of trouble. If only they had locked down very strictly all over the country, and relaxed only in areas with two- or three-weeks of no new cases, to create and expand bubbles of relaxation, which could have gradually and carefully joined up to regenerate economic activity ASAP.

Well, that hasn't happened yet. So they're set for another wave of infections, before they get it into their thick heads that they will have to lock-down properly. Maybe this time next year, after they have lost more than a million people. Or three hundred 9/11s.

Remember 9/11 ?

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Friday, 26 June 2020 4:12:26 PM
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Struth loudmouth,

Yes the US is finding a lot more cases. Why?
Because they are doing a lot more testing. They tested 640465 yesterday - just on that one day. That's up more than double from the same time last month and up 24% on the previous day.

So more testing = more cases found. Why is that so hard to work out?

The real indicator to watch is deaths per day and that's been trending for the last two months. Which is of course not what you want to hear, therefore you ignore it.

IF you read (or understood) the article I posted earlier, you see that the CDC is acknowledging that the number of cases out there is vastly greater than those currently found. As more testing is done, those cases will be found. But they don't translate to deaths.

Paul wrote:"Both active cases and serious hospitalisation are growing exponentially in both states, with their respective death tolls rising rapidly."

So when you said they were a catastrophe, you forgot to use the future tense?? Or are you just trying to find a way to hide a monumental error.

But basically what you say is false. Like the rest of the US they are doing more testing, therefore more case. But deaths continue to trend down
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 26 June 2020 6:25:33 PM
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How can we attain peace in the toilet paper aisles of supermarkets, as the Victorians re-introduce the China virus.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 27 June 2020 9:50:41 AM
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Mhaze,

"The real indicator to watch is deaths per day and that's been trending for the last two months. Which is of course not what you want to hear, therefore you ignore it."

Now that the number of cases is rising rapidly, I fear that the number of deaths will also spike, maybe in two or three weeks. So I'm afraid your words will come back to haunt you :(

As for more testing finding more cases, are you suggesting that if there was NO testing, there would be NO cases ? And that 'therefore', eventually no deaths ?

So, like a fairly slow three-year-old, or Trumpf, if we cover our eyes, we won't see any evil, and that therefore, it won't be happening ? I'd suggest that you don't go out and play in the traffic with your eyes closed, Mhaze.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:06:30 PM
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COVID-19 is merely doing a better job than our wars at saving the Planet !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:19:16 PM
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Individual,

When we look back on this period of history in a couple of years, your comment may well be seen as somewhat psychotic and pathological: that we can sit back and contemplate the deaths of many people as if it was a Good Thing.

No, it's not. Even if you were to die from the virus tomorrow, not many of us here would consider that to be 'a Good Thing'. Except maybe the people on OLO who think as you do.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:24:30 PM
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USA Today tells us that the virus appears to be spreading
across the West and South. Arizona reported over 3,100 new
infectious, just short of Friday's record and 26 deaths.
Nevada also reported a new high of 445 cases.

And guess why folks. We'll we've been told here its a
result of more testing.

So the obvious answer is of course - don't test.
No testing - no new cases. Right?

What a Trumpian thought and solution! Problem solved!
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 27 June 2020 4:28:36 PM
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LM (and Foxy)

"As for more testing finding more cases, are you suggesting that if there was NO testing, there would be NO cases ? And that 'therefore', eventually no deaths ?"

Well no, that's not even close to what I'm suggesting. If you don't mind why don't you let me construct my own views rather than you do it for me - they'll make more sense that way.

The cases are there. I posted a day or so ago that the CDC thinks the number of cases is 10 times more than they previously thought. I correctly predicted that you guys would ignore that.

So the cases are there. If you increase testing, you'll find more of them. More testing doesn't create more cases, just as less testing don't cause less cases. It simply improves understanding.

But you think finding more cases means there are more cases. A simple failure of logic.

Something else for you to ignore..."Ongoing outbreaks of COVID-19 in Arizona, California, Florida and Texas are "significant," but the younger average age of confirmed cases in these states might mean the "consequences" will be less severe, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention officials said Thursday."
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 27 June 2020 4:51:20 PM
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Mhaze,

" .... you think finding more cases means there are more cases."

Of course not, that's Trumpf's logic, which is why6 he is opposed to testing. As you suggest, whether there is testing or not, there would be a certain number of underlying cases - more testing reveals more of them; less testing reveals fewer of them and gives the impression to half-wits like Trumpf that 'therefore' there are few actual cases. If you come across a bear in a forest, cover your eyes and it will go away.

Yes, always assume that there are far more cases than the limited amount of testing reveals - that seems to be sensible procedure.

And no, I don't think Trumpf was being 'sarcastic' - I don't think Trumpf understands sarcastic, because you need a certain maturity of cognitive development for that, maybe a fourteen-year-old's.

In the US, to relax any lockdowns while the 'Curve' was still high and not declining was surely madness, and bound to be followed by an increase in case numbers, whether or not they were counted. Two or three weeks later, and we can expect a similar rate of rise in deaths. That should kick in over the next week or two. By the end of July, the US may have had as many as three million official cases, and maybe thirty million actual cases - and two hundred thousand deaths.

Nearly seventy 9/11s.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Saturday, 27 June 2020 5:25:20 PM
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It must be wonderful for the Left goons to have someone like Donald Trump to scapegoat for everything: China virus, China's aggression, the economy, probably their bunions.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 27 June 2020 5:57:35 PM
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ttbn,

Left goons?

Ah yes, of course - the ones with IQs of over 140
on this forum which mental midgets with IQs of a fence
post just simply don't understand.

Never mind.

As for "scapegoating"Donald Trump.
That goat doesn't need any help from us.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 27 June 2020 6:34:49 PM
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As the Donald would say:

"The best way to avoid becoming a scapegoat
is to find one!"
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 27 June 2020 7:11:37 PM
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sit back and contemplate the deaths of many people as if it was a Good Thing.
Loudmouth2,
Those who care don't sit back & contemplate, only those who always expect others to 'do something' are the ones merely sitting back contemplating ! They're not the ones putting their money where their mouths are !
I'm in favour of working on reestablishing healthy mentality, beefed up by common sense & logic rather than just leaving everything in the incapable hands of "experts".
I suppose the old adage of "you've got to be cruel to be kind" goes in one of your ears & out the other without touching the sides thus leaving no possibility of some thinking catching on !
Nah, much easier to let the masses breed & carry on unabated in their ways within the downward spiral & over-burden the handful of thinkers & doers to sort out their mess !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 28 June 2020 8:17:46 AM
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Hmmm....

Its not a Pandemic, it's a PLANdemic.

Bill Gates primary aim IS global depopulation.
His father worked for Planned Parenthood and was involved in Eugenics.

They want to reduce the population of the planet, and they know that they're previous strategies for doing so aren't working.

What do you think the climate change agenda goes hand in hand with?
Global population.

Blackrock wrote the pandemic preparedness plan a couple of months before the outbreak.
http://www.afr.com/chanticleer/blackrock-s-climate-epiphany-20200114-p53rdk

Its a global economic reset.
Planned economic collapse and consolidation of power to multinationals with a greater push towards technology and surveillance.

Anyone hear Anthony Albanese yapping on at the Westpac sponsored National Press Club yesterday about Drones, Surveillance, AI, DARPA and Climate change agenda?

The race protests are just another coloured revolution from the same people within the US who have been covertly conducting them for years.

Here's some interesting stuff:
1988 Economist magazine cover that predicted a world currency in 2018
http://www.asiacryptotoday.com/was-it-bitcoin-1988-the-ecomist-predicted-the-world-coin/

“All prices will not be in dollars, yen or German marks, but, say in phoenixes … Phoenix will be preferred by companies and buyers because it will be more convenient than today’s national currencies, which will be only considered as the reason for the crises of the 20th century.”

- More convenient ESPECIALLY in a pandemic situation?

- Interesting the Phoenix.

Firstly 'The Phoenix Program' was controversial because it targeted civilians in times of war, and whats interesting about that is its the exact same tactics being employed by Antifa in setting up Autonomous Zones in US cities.

Anyone involved with Vietnam will find this interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DYa6yk3up0&list=PLOYxBFbeVv56YAUF07azLzs_ejpjd5jGH
“The Phoenix Program” by Doug Valentine.

Secondly, the Phoenix was a new logo for Ethereum Classic, the second largest cryptocurrency.

http://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@budz82/the-new-ethereum-classic-etc-phoenix-rebranding-remines-me-a-lot-of-the-1988-economist-magazine-cover-get-ready-for-the-phoenix

Also bitcoin doubled in value over the last month...
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 28 June 2020 12:08:04 PM
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Individual,

Which experts do you consider incapable.

You keep referring to the incapability of experts
but you don't explain who you think the hard workers
and achievers are and who the experts are that you
think are incapable.

Why do you think that experts don't work hard?
People like doctors, nurses, that we're currently relying
on so much at the moment I'm sure are working very, very
hard. Exhaustively hard. You have to be a tad more specific
in your statements so we can understand your meaning.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 28 June 2020 12:11:37 PM
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Why do you think that experts don't work hard?
Foxy,
But, the majority do, at self-preservation & self-serving !
The decent ones are the ones we don't get hear about because the former & their peers won't give any elbow room on the Academic pedestals !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 28 June 2020 2:31:55 PM
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Individual,

Be more specific please with examples - name names of
whom you're referring to. Sweeping generalisations
aren't credible.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 28 June 2020 3:06:21 PM
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Sweeping generalisations
aren't credible.
Foxy,
Don't you watch real News ? You should !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 28 June 2020 4:30:09 PM
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Individual,

Answer my questions.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 28 June 2020 4:32:20 PM
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Hey Foxy,

How about all of them.

Start with the face mask debacle, then we'll talk about the ventilator debacle.

Face Mask debacle: Government lies to the general public, medical people say and do NOTHING!.

First they told us not to wear the masks right?
They were hysterical in their efforts to ward the general public off acquiring them.
Now the advice from virologists in regards to Melbourne is to wear them.
(Mind you from what I understand the COVID-19 particles are actually smaller than the N-95 mesh size)

They lied to our faces.
Are you telling me we should trust people that lie to our faces and say nothing for their own interests.
I bet plenty of health workers were pinching masks for their own mums and dads.
- What are you going to do? Fire me and get me the hell outta here? Go ahead, do me a favour be my guest -

How many of those doctors and nurses went against the narrative and encouraged regular people to acquire masks and protect themselves?

That proves the whole lot of them were willing to put our lives at risk, just by saying nothing, maybe fearful they'd never work in their chosen field again, or that they might run short during the crisis.

Then the ventilators.
I knew no later than March that the ventilators were killing people.
Apparently they are misunderstanding some sort of response and the ventilators are having an adverse effect instead of what is intended.

University today is about indocrination, not education.
They don't promote thinking for oneself.
They promote rewiting history by tearing statues down, and a divisive attitude of going to war with anyone who opposes their narratives on climate change, racism and any other divisive issues they promote.

It doesn't matter whether you support the left or the right.
There's maniacs on both sides.

Buying into either side promotes divisiveness and an endless war.

Transcend the 2 party deception and understand we're actually all on the same side.
As soon as we understand this all of their narratives and manipulation is moot.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 29 June 2020 5:38:01 AM
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[Cont.]
You say ToMAYto, and I say ToMARto

(That's because you lived in America foxy - Lol)

You say medical professionals deserve a round of applause
(and for risky and tiresome efforts they certainly do)

But I also say there a case for them all to face a Nuremberg trial.

Why did they lie?
Why were they complicit in putting the public at greater risk of harm?
How many people took that medical advice did not seek to acquire personal protective equipment (masks) and later got infected?

It doesn't mean were not on the same side Foxy;
It doesn't mean that we don't both have the public's best interests at heart.

Their trick is to make us think were on opposing sides instead of the same side:
- Wanting what's best for OUR nation.

Divide and Conquer - the Best Friend of Democracy
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 29 June 2020 5:53:51 AM
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Oh and btw, I wanted to say something about this:

QUOTE>>If you really believe that His truth is timeless
then you should obey His teachings and truth.
"Judge not..."<<

I dunno why people stay stuff like this Foxy,
It makes me think they've got lazy brains
(and I don't mean tto offend I just wish to make the point)

I've told you all before 'There's pro's and con's to every argument'

I've give you another free snippet of Armchair Critic wisdom.

Use: 'As Opposed To' - 'A Hypothetical' and 'Reframe The Question'

The way to the truth is to separate arguments that do hold merit from those that don't.
Use 'A Hypothetical' to 'Reframe the Question' to 'Create Arguments That Hold Merit'

I never went to Uni, I made this stuff up.

So I'll use a hypothetical

You say 'Judge not'

(Against your advice, let's 'judge' the merits of that 'Judge not' argument.)

I respond by saying "Would you knowingly allow a known pedophile to babysit your kids whilst you went on holiday?"

Obviously the answer is No, and you would have to USE judgement, NOT throw judgement to the wind.

Why promote 'Judge not' when there are situations when you should 'Judge so', which means the directive to 'Judge not' does not apply to all situations, and it's stupid to promote it.

Does using it just suit you because you cant come up with a valid argument?
- Lazy Brain -
I don't mean to be insulting but I'm sure somewhere on another thread at some point even you would've stated to 'use judgement' or to 'use your best judgement' or something to that effect, on a different topic or issue.
Why do people say the things they do and why do they think the things they do?
Me included.

FYI this wasn't an comment for or against religion.
It's more about 'the things people think and say'
Some things just make me curious

Pro's and Con's
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 29 June 2020 8:48:12 AM
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Therefore:

On a basis of merit, anyone that says 'Judge not';
- Should rightly BE judged;
- As mentally unfit;
- And incapable of making rational judgements,
- Which are the foundations of opinions.

And therefore:
On a basis of merit these people should just 'Shut up'.

You see how arguments that hold merit works?
You see how getting to the truth is a process?

You should now be wiser on the topic of Judgement
this is how we learn things
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 29 June 2020 9:08:33 AM
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Armchair critic,

My writing "judge not" has to be taken in the context
it was written and for what purpose.

It was I believe written by someone who professed
to be a Christian and yet made a regular mantra
of condemning and judging others whose views did not
agree with his own. Therefore I wrote what I did,
somewhat tongue-in cheek.

We all judge others to a certain extent and that says
more about us than it does about them.
Sometimes we need to be reminded of how
we come across to other people.

Yes, I did live in the United States. However, I'm proud
to say that I managed to retain my own accent and speech.

Also, as a rule, I don't tend to look at things from a
negative point of view. There's enough of that in the
world as it is. I find it healthier to look at the positive
side of things. Not at what can';t be done but what actions
can be taken to make things better.

Each to our own ethos, values, and beliefs I guess.

Anyway, thank you for sharing your thoughts on the subject.
Talking about issues definitely helps us all. And may result
in a better understanding of each other.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 29 June 2020 10:56:43 AM
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There really isn't all that much room for hope considering the Planet is occupied by very stupid & less stupid humans.
Posted by individual, Friday, 3 July 2020 12:34:23 PM
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Individual,

You are so wrong regarding hope.

Hope is a powerful thing. It inspires us to believe
in the impossible and it definitely helps us to carry
on during difficult times.

When I was diagnosed with cancer some time ago - hope
was what kept me going.

I'm sure that people like Olivia Newton-John feel the same
way.

Never give up hope.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 3 July 2020 1:38:53 PM
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