Foxy,

Proportionally fewer indigenous people die in custody than non-Indigenous people. I had a yarn about this with Elliott Johnston when he was working up at Flinders Uni in the mid-nineties - he conducted the Royal Commission, you'd recall.

The commissioners knew this BEFORE the Royal Commission officially began. The problem isn't deaths in custody but so many Indigenous people in custody - nine or ten times their proportion of the population.

So the question becomes: are Indigenous people framed for offences they didn't commit ? Are they excessively penalised, much more than non-Indigenous people ? Or is it that some commit far more crimes ? And, from the advice of an Aboriginal lawyer, often from a very early age: this lawyer was instructed, at all costs, to get kids off, but some had twenty and thirty offences before the were fifteen, often for robbery of old ladies and for various spontaneous acts of aggression.

And as Jacinta Price points out, why is the Black-on-Black violence ignored ? Why are Aboriginal women thirty two times more likely to be in the Alice Springs Hospital because of domestic violence ? Is violence still a means of resolving issues in sections of Aboriginal society ?

It certainly was in the early days: missionaries recount such a resort to violence, of men against women, of sons against parents. In the SA Protector's letters, from the earliest days, he has to bring in barristers (free, at least to the suspects) to defend Aboriginal men who have beaten their wives to death, since it attracted the death penalty for non-Aboriginal criminals.

One bloke at Pt McLeay beat one wife to death and badly smashed the shoulder of another wife later. Men at Poonindie Mission near Port Lincoln occasionally beat the daylights out of their wives and were expelled. So yes, it certainly happened. As it does in most societies, of course.

Joe

So stick that in your pipe and smoke it!
Foxy,
Telling me off in the above manner is rather obviously more convenient for you instead of providing relevant valid information !
After all, cheap cop-outs are your specialty !

Shoddy Minister

"As far as Pell goes I made it clear even during the first trial that due to the lack of evidence that I held no firm opinion of his actual guilt or innocence, but that on the weak evidence presented by the prosecution at his trial that there was insufficient evidence for a conviction, that due to the lack of evidence that I held no firm opinion of his actual guilt or innocence, but that on the weak evidence presented by the prosecution at his trial that there was insufficient evidence for a conviction"

A blatant lie, you did not at anytime during Pell's first trial make any such assertion on this forum to that effect. The fact is during Pell's fist trial a suppression order was in place banning discussion of the trial. A topic submitted on that subject by me was rejected by the moderator for that reason. Do you want to retract your claim, as it is untrue.

Individual,

I keep providing you with information and references
I can't do any more. If you can't understand them
that's your problem.

I suspect that all you want is a fight - and for that either
talk to your kindred spirits on this forum or go to the pub.

Over and out.

Joe,

Many have claimed that fewer Indigenous people, per head
of prison population die in custody than do white people.

However the death rate per prisoner is only part of the
story. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people are
10 times more likely to die in custody than non-Indigenous
people in Australia. It's not just about numbers. It's
about a record of systematic failure and neglect.

The numbers tell only part of the story. Their stories need
to be told.

There are 2 key parts to counting total deaths in custody.
Deaths in prison and deaths in police custody or during
police operations.

The rate of deaths in prison by Indigenous is well known,
but the rate for police custody is not. The key finding of
the Royal Commission was that Aboriginal people are more
likely to die in custody because they are arrested and
jailed at disproportionate rates. That remains as true in
2020 as it was in 1991.

An updated database - "Deaths Inside," given by The
Guardian that covers Indigenous Australian deaths in custody
2020 is worth taking a look at:

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/11/deaths-inside-how-we-track-indigenous-deaths-in-costody-and-why-we-do-it

cont'd ...

My apologies for the typo.

I'l try again:

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/11/deaths-inside-how-we-track-indigenous-deaths-in-custody-and-why-we-do-it